Conservative pundit SE Cupp is a self-declared atheist, so she surprised MSNBC co-hosts when she announced last week that she wouldn't vote for an atheist president.
Why not? "Because I do not think that someone who represents 5 to 10 percent of the population should be representing and thinking that everyone else in the world is crazy, but me." Taken to its logical conclusion, could that mean minority believers, like Muslims and Jewish people, would also be inappropriate as presidents?
Who gives a shit, this isn't news.im tired of this opinionated bullshit.the media in this country is a joke.when will people wake up to the fact that the media is not doing its job.fox,msnbc,cnn,etc, are only there to keep you in the box of left and right.
Maybe she thinks like I do. Maybe she thinks her "right to NOT worship ANY god as SHE chooses to NOT worship" is in danger by the Secularist Left's attacks on religious liberty.
Maybe she doesn't care if there is a cross on a mountain. Maybe she doesn't care whether people say "under God" in the Pledge. Maybe she doesn't want to take away the real meaning, guidance and joy that belief brings to a lot of people.
My position is that she is an atheist who thinks for herself and doesn't let other atheists or anyone else for that matter decide what her non-belief means about her. But atheist activists try and do that.
I went to the Reason Rally. I saw whiners and wishful-thinkers. It may be a case of "I saw what I expected to see", and I wonder that myself, but that's the impression I got.
Personally, I find the atheism activists the most presumptuous of all the Identity Group Activists. They presume to speak for other people's non-belief in something... I don't believe in unicorns either. What does that say about me?
Watch this and then tell me I'm wrong about SE Cupp.
No I would not vote for an atheist president. I agree 100% with what s.e. cupp said. The president needs to know someone is over him and that he is not the biggest person in the world, or at least think he is
An atheist does not believe they are the biggest person out there. Atheists believe they are a blink in the cosmic eye because our lifespans are incredibly short. Whose the arrogant one here? S.E. Cupp is also not an atheist. No atheist supports the things she does such as going against their own rights or actively defending Christian fundamentalists, the same fundies who try to take away our rights and want us to leave America.
No believing in mythology is an indication of a logical mind. Not believing you have a friend in the sky that loves you so much that he would torture you for eternity does not make one feel that they are 'the biggest person in the world'.
I'm an atheist, but I wouldn't vote for someone just because they're atheist. That's almost as dumb as a black person voting for Obama just because he's black. People worry too much about a candidate's belief or lack of that they ignore the things that matter.
Also, I think that Cupp is probably not an atheist. She is so self-loathing that she just screams "Fox News shill made to make atheists look bad."
I think she makes atheists look like they can be reasonable and even appreciative of religions' place in society. In other words, I don't think she makes atheism look nearly as bad as the atheist whiners that boohoo at the sight of a creche next to a yule tree.
Many public statements made by S.E. Cupp seem to contradict her assertion that she is an atheist. While she very well may be, it wouldn't surprise me if she eventually comes out of the "closet" and announces she's really a theist.
Since I don't know you, I can't comment on the authenticity of your convictions. I realize that atheists come in all flavors, including self-deprecating. And that is certainly open to criticism. I would be equally critical of a black or gay person who would never vote for a black or gay candidate, simply for who they are. I'm also quite suspicious of strong homophobes who seem to be harboring some internal guilt and acting out on it.
"Since I don't know you, I can't comment on the authenticity of your convictions."
Fair enough. Check my posts. It's still just typing but the depth I go into and my consistency of thought is hard to fake. I've been a self-acknowledged atheist since the fourth grade. Since then I have never hidden it nor advertised it. I've had weird looks, stupid questions, offerings of prayer, and invitations to church... But I've never been repressed or discriminated against in anyway other than personal relationships. And I always saw that as their right.
I have tried to find faith and only had my atheism reinforced. During that quest I discovered the origin of religion. Human nature. Religion is as natural as fear of the dark. I long ago left behind any grudges or feelings of victimhood because I don't believe.
"I realize that atheists come in all flavors, including self-deprecating."
I don't believe I'm self-deprecating. I think I'm based in reality. This inclusion of atheists with racial and sexual Identity Groups is getting old. A Group Identity means a Group Ideology and voting base which of course is democratic. I then become a traitor to "atheism" if I vote republican... Just like blacks, latinos or gays who even glance at the republican positions.
The reason why I projected "self-deprecating" onto myself was because SE Cupp and me are two of the very few atheists I've known who aren't at least snobbish if not hostile towards religion. I've often had the accusation that I'm just in denial and I'll come out as a believer eventually. Why? Because I'm not opposed to other people believing and even sometimes envying their joy. So I guess I took it a little personal. sorry :)
About Ms. Cupps statements... I didn't see them as discriminatory so much as honest with herself and anyone who cares to watch. She has obviously had good experiences with religion and the religious. No doubt she has a lot of respect for a lot of believers she has known in her life. And also the importance those people place on doing right by God. She believes that belief in God makes people accountable to a greater good.
I see her point. I see a value to that. However, I could see myself voting for an atheist. But I would be extremely cautious. I know what non-belief in a higher power can do to morality. Atheists' track records at running countries is not good. Any manager of groups has to depersonalize to a degree to make the decisions needed. The larger the groups... The more the depersonalization.
That's why people who work in small businesses are generally happier than those that work in a corporation. Personalization. Presidents of the United States? The most powerful position ever held by any human ever in the history of the Earth?
I like the idea of that person thinking they are going to have to answer for what s/he did while in office... And be Judged.
of course it depends on who that President thinks is the higher power... But that's a different discussion :)
Yes. There is no religious test for office in the Constitution. I would be more wary of a candidate who called himself a Christian. Looking at the political behavior of Christians lately, I think it is important to point out that Hitler was a Christian. These Christian Dominionists are alarming..
I really don't care if a candidate is atheist, Christian, Jewish or Muslim. What I care about is his/her qualifications, integrity, ideas about running and improving the nation. Likely I would NOT however, vote for a fundamentalist as they tend to radically lean towards religion to the point of denying equality and usurping the constitution in favor of their conception Biblical teachings. Fundamentalist Christians in the United States are akin to and at least as dangerous as fundamentalist Muslims in Iran.
DW, we'be gone through this before. Allah is not the God of Christians it Jews. Saying they revere the same prophets doesn't make Allah the Great Deceiver the same as Yahweh. Muslims diverted from true God with Mohammed, if not before actually.
yes i would... when a person enters political office they should leave all of their religious beliefs at the door. it doesn't matter what they believe at home, or in their place of worship, but inside the office during working hours religion should be taboo.
"God-fearing presidents are kept humble by the belief that there's something out there more powerful than themselves." What a crock of shit!!! One need merely to read a history book to know that's not true. Most of the biggest wars and largest amount of death throughout history has been waged in the name of God!! What a dumb dumb woman. Just shut up and let Bob fantasize about you.
So as an atheist does she think everyone else is crazy? And if she really thinks the majority of America is crazy then why does she support democracy? Not all atheists disdain religious people or are militant. Plenty of atheists hold respectful views of other beliefs. Why should it matter? I will vote for the right man or woman for the job whether Christian, atheist, Muslim, or even Zeus-worshipping.
Her point is that she wouldn't vote for an atheist who looked down on believers. She also likes the idea that our President answers to a power that is above all of us. This second point I'm not so much in agreement with but the first?
You bet I agree. I don't like "secularists".. I also call them Christophobes when they piss me off with their whining about pet peeves like creches or campus Bible study groups.
From a religious standpoint, I could care less what he or she believes in. From a Constitutionalist standpoint, as long as the candidate is for repealing 0bamacare, lowering taxes, stimulating job growth here in the USA, cutting foreign aid, cutting the "pork", focusing towards the national debt, that's a candidate I could get behind.