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NRA Warns UN: Don't Threaten US Gun Rights

Gun lobby speaks against Arms Trade Treaty's inclusion of civilian arms

Jul 15, 2012 by Dain Fitzgerald

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The National Rifle Association is standing its ground when it comes to any possible United Nations incursion on domestic gun ownership.

Julian Pecquet at The Hill writes of the NRA's efforts to prevent the UN Arms Trade Treaty, which is being debated through July, from, according to NRA CEO Wayne LaPierre, "disregarding American citizens' right to self-defense."

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Real4WheelDrv

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Of course it overrules international law. For now. Until the globalists decide we should make "one little concession" here and there to get in line with the rest of the world. I've said it before and I'll say it again a terrorist or common criminal is not going to use a legal, registered, traceable firearm to committ a crime. That's like saying drug dealers will set up a Kiosk at Walgreens.
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Toby

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I believe the cliche you're looking for is: If they outlaw guns then only outlaws will have guns
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Diagnosis

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Here's another "cliche" for you: "PEOPLE kill - not guns".

Looking at the record of crime in the U.S. I guess that Americans should be the last PEOPLE on earth to own guns .... or any other weapon.
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Thunderchicken

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It'll be interesting to see what the administration does with this.
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jmann88

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Well I'm glad to see Obama is using our constitution for toilet paper and all his other liberal buddies.
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Wilberhum

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I always find in uninteresting when people are so bigoted that they can't address any topic. They are only capable of proving just how stupid they are.
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Kajai

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Lol wilberham...I know what u mean. This place is quickly turning in to right wing dumping ground of hate. The right loves to get everyone worked up over gun issues. Those tricky republicans just play ther constituents like puppets on a string. They play this same game ( they gonna take your guns) every election and people fall for it everytime.
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Real4WheelDrv

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Oh you mean the same thing Democrats do with race? Gotcha.
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jmann88

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Everything Democrats is allway chalked up to racism. For one I'm not a Republican... I'm a conservative independent. So if they were to take our 2ed amendment away like all Democrats try to do but FAIL at doing so will cops loose their rights to carry? Or will they have a double standard like the dems have? Badges don't grant extra rights....

They crap on or 1st 2ed and 4th amendment right everyday .. I for one is sick of it.. freedom is free... I wish we all could put politics aside and work together as human beings and not worry how fat we can make our pockets... guns dont kill people .. people kill people. Guns are tools.

Chairish yout rights and freedom that you have now because at the rate this country is going we will be a police state by 2016.... god bless America
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Kajai

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I'm am no democrat, and Obama or the dems have done nothing to ban gun rights. That isjust a scare tactic.
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MongoAPillager

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here is little less liberal view::http://www.youtube.com/w atch?v=ziBumhGG0qc...caution may upset stomach if you recently drank government surplus kool-aid
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dances-weebles

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to begin with, from a strictly constitutional pov, if you are poor or a commoner, you have no right to own any gun other than a hunting rifle for subsistence. since you no longer have any need to hunt for food, you have no need for even that.
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MongoAPillager

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i would be interested where you came up with that
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dances-weebles

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read the constitution within the context of the language in the time that it was written. citizens have the right to keep and bear arms. who were citizens, however?
the poor were either indentured servants and had no rights
debtors were prisoners and had no rights
women were property and had no rights
blacks were chattel and had no rights
first people were animals unless they paid taxes and had no rights
and children were 'encumbrances' and had no rights
...so who, exactly does the constitution apply to?

the only people actually defined as citizens were wealthy and educated landholders. they had the right to keep and bear arms for personal protection against indians, and the government. it went right along with the states rights to hold a standing militia in order to stand against the federal government.

you and i, my friend have any right to defend ourselves other than with our hands, nor do we have the need to. those who think otherwise are simply paranoid or are over valuing their own worth.
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Real4WheelDrv

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You might have a point dances, except when people TRAIN in unarmed self defense courts can still rule that the person themself is now a weapon and using any self defense skill that results in injury can be excessive force. So guns or not we haven't changed anything, and being that I'm already physically disadvantaged, I'd prefer having a weapon of some kind for protection.
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nomdeplumme

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As passed by the Congress:

A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.

As ratified by the States and authenticated by Thomas Jefferson, Secretary of State:

A well regulated militia being necessary to the security of a free state, the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed.

Doesn't say anything about citizens it clearly states the people. Is it your argument that as the definition of citizen has broadened the other constitutional rights have been lessened?
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dances-weebles

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right on point, nom... the right of the people to keep and bear... but once again, hop into your wayback machine with mr. peabody and read the constitution as it was written at the end of the 1700s. where were considered people.
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marine1

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I would remind everyone of the many promises that our goverment has twisted,reinterpreted and out right broken in the past. Look at what they do with the eminent domain statute. Any treaty MUST be definitive and specific as to our rights to keep and bare arms or someone will break it of in us somewhere down the way. Make NO istake, there is an agenda.
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marine1

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Quiz time, without choosing from the cemetary, can anyone name a politician that can be trusted on a long term basis?
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Fishbone345

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Based of this definition of Politician, I cannot.

pol·i·ti·cian/ˌpäləˈtiS Hən/
Noun:

A person who is professionally involved in politics.
A person who acts in a manipulative and devious way, typically to gain advancement.
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PoliticalTvlr

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Yes, I believe no foreign law/treaty can change our constitution.
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Infantry04

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It trumps International Law if our justices say it does. Ruth Bader Ginsberg not to long ago did an interview with an Egyptian paper or TV show in which she said she wouldn't go with a Constitution like the United State's, if she had a say she would go with a constitution like South Africa's. Somehow that constitution agrees with Ruth bader Ginsberg's ideal of human rights. So I wouldnt' say we are safe from the UN
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Keyjo

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Ginsberg said our constitution was not a good model for Egypt. She did not advocate changing the U.S. constitution.
We don't live in a "one size fits all" world.
While we have to continue to amend our constitution to keep up with changing times, South Africa's is a younger, more progressive version.
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indakeek

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You betcha our constitution trumps int'l law.....Don't mess with us. Got it?
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blacklist88

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Don't give up your guns up.stand up for yourself for once.
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Keyjo

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Under no circumstances should we allow any international agreement to threaten our second amendment.
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truthseeker

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The NRA is correct in it's opposition. There's a desire to disarm the American citizenry and has been going on for some time now. I'm thankful for organizations such as the NRA, who do such a great job policing issues regarding gun/gun control and also informing the public on these issues.
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UofMichFan

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Screw the U.N. they have absolutely no authority over me and I will never bend or bow to thier laws. The United States should leave the U.N. and kick them of out of our country. They are nothing but a joke.
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Benbrig

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This "law" is BS. Actually, pretty much the whole UN is BS.
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Delo

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Just look at other UN countries. They take away their weapons in their own country, Of cource they think the UN way is the only way
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ir0nw0lfe

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The day the UN decides to overrule the US in anything is the day I suggest they start looking for a new home in which to have their meetings of strawmen. US rights within the US are not negotiable with the UN or anyone else. We fought one superpower for the freddoms we now enjoy and have provided the backbone for every significant UN since then. The UN needs to concern itself with international affairs not US civilians. Am armed populace is the best deterrent to hijacking of our country by tyrantss.
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DerivePI

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Guess who's heading up the UN gun control committee?- Iran! The UN needs to be limited to intergovernment concerns. How parents raise their kids and who owns guns are not intergovernment concerns.
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wzwierlein

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if they want my guns they will have to pry them out of my cold dead hands....... i will stand up for my second amendment right along with the NRA and good ol uncle Ted......... why dont we just let uncle Ted loose on the un that would be funny
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DapperDave

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Anyone who disagrees with the NRA stance on total and complete access to weapons of all types and calibers is a "a fool", "a brain dead drone", "a liberal", "against the second amendment", etc.

You NRA kooks need to calm down, remove your thumbs from your mouths, stop kicking and screaming like little children. Pouting and sniveling only works with your mommy.

No one wants to prevent you from sleeping with and fondling your pistols, rifles and shotguns.

We just want to place some kind of rational limit on the kind of firepower made available to anyone and everyone who happens to have a clean record. You can keep the 174 high-power rifles you "supposedly" have for rabbit hunting and the 264 pistols you think you need to protect your trailer.

We just don't think it's a good idea to allow mentally unstable people like you to acquire storehouses of assault rifles, hand grenades, bazookas, bomb-making materials, body armor, ammunition and such AND to bring them to public events - because it's your right to do so - where large crowds are present, with women and children in the mix.

After reading your deranged rants I'm more convinced than ever you pose a serious threat to your neighbors and anyone else who happens to encounter you in the street, mall, grocery store, church or workplace.

You can go snuggle up with your guns now, and try not to threaten or harm anyone you encounter who happens to not be sporting a NRA arm patch.

Have a nice day.
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Real4WheelDrv

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Thank you for your use of uninformed stereotypes. Please pay at the next window.
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DapperDave

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Stereotypes? No, that would be your pal, jmann88 who posted the following..."Everything Democrats is allway chalked up to racism. For one I'm not a Republican... I'm a conservative independent. So if they were to take our 2ed amendment away like all Democrats try to do but FAIL at doing so will cops loose their rights to carry?"
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Interesting discussion so far! Before things get too heated in here, I just want to remind everyone to keep their posts on topic. We're also not a fan of personal attacks or insults.

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