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@Sep '12 c 218 comments V 358 votes

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Ashley_Steele

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Equality of Opportunity- some people are going to work harder with what is given to themâ¦ and some are going to let it all go to wasteâ¦ give everyone their share and tell them to go as far as they can goâ¦ there is no need to drag every one down together

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harold_lloyd

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But that makes the huge assumption that everyone will be equally prepared to take advantage of that opportunity. Don't pretend we have equal opportunity if we don't educate every kid to be able to understand the world around him, and to get a job that offers a decent standard of living.

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acg

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Equality of outcome= everyone is poor just like the USSR. People need to earn their income through work. I understand some have disabilities and can't work. They are the only ones who have a right to welfare.

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LilliB voted

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AndrewMC voted

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mwr

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give everyone the opportunity but they keep what they earn and achieve, no hand outs or balance the pay at the end of the day

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ZombieMedic

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A person would have to be crazy to vote for the other one.

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URBS

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This has got to be the stupidest question ever asked in a debate forum!

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savannahmarcos

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You can't promise a certain outcome for everyone. And it's simply unfair to give the same outcome to individuals in completely different circumstances than others.

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Goose

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They could have put a third option - Freedom! Anyone who wants a government-managed society does not want a free society.

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Ashley_Steele

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Equality of Opportunity- some people are going to work harder with what is given to themâ¦ and some are going to let it all go to wasteâ¦ give everyone their share and tell them to go as far as they can goâ¦ there is no need to drag every one down together

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harold_lloyd

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But that makes the huge assumption that everyone will be equally prepared to take advantage of that opportunity. Don't pretend we have equal opportunity if we don't educate every kid to be able to understand the world around him, and to get a job that offers a decent standard of living.

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acg

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Equality of outcome= everyone is poor just like the USSR. People need to earn their income through work. I understand some have disabilities and can't work. They are the only ones who have a right to welfare.

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mwr

v Equality of Opportunity

give everyone the opportunity but they keep what they earn and achieve, no hand outs or balance the pay at the end of the day

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ZombieMedic

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A person would have to be crazy to vote for the other one.

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URBS

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This has got to be the stupidest question ever asked in a debate forum!

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TheHandsomeOne

Neither are possible in America as the game is rigged and governance is for sale.

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savannahmarcos

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You can't promise a certain outcome for everyone. And it's simply unfair to give the same outcome to individuals in completely different circumstances than others.

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Mr_me

Well said. I do however believe that all working people and truly disabled deserve healthcare. If I have a job requires more skill or labor, sure it should get payed more. It should not however mean that a person is entitled to be healthier. They just get more fancy cars and playstation games.

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Goose

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They could have put a third option - Freedom! Anyone who wants a government-managed society does not want a free society.

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BossTweed

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America spoke in a clear voice in November. Equality of Outcomes is the mantra of The Obama. American Exceptionalism is on life support and the prognosis is Negative. We are a joke.

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Concerned_Cit

v Equality of Opportunity

Same as in sports, may the better person come out further ahead. NOT the "everyone gets a participation trophy and there are no places, losers, or winners."

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Mar '13

GeorgiaSean7

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Outcomes are like any other result: they are earned and shaped by the individual. We need to give everyone an equal chance to succeed, but such as life, not everyone will be successful.

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Feb '13

Poizen

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Why does this even have to be asked?

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Jan '13

Guns_and_Stars

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Anyone who thinks they can guarantee equality of outcome is either a liar or a fool. Regardless, don't listen to them.

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Oct '12

JGaltAS

v Equality of Opportunity

Outcomes should be determined by how much an individual puts in. It would be the antithesis of equality if someone that worked harder was afforded the same outcome as someone else who worked less hard.

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Oct '12

Mercury34

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Give everybody a chance.

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Oct '12

XLP

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Equal outcomes are wrong. It destroys efficiently. Equal opportunities are obviously the correct choice.

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Oct '12

Litdes

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There is no practical way to ensure equality of outcome. Every decision that one makes can have an impact upon the eventual outcome. However, it only makes sense to strive to ensure that equal opportunity exists to achieve a good outcome.

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Oct '12

brnh2o

v Equality of Outcome

We are supposed to have equality of opportunity. But we do not. A person's chance of success at making the most of the opportunities depend upon factors that are not equal. Somebody who doesn't "fit" can be prevented from even beginning to strive for success. The system is broken. There is no equality of opportunity. I don't believe it can be fixed without starting over. And, starting over? There is only one way to go. Equality of outcome.

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Feb '13

Poizen

How does equality of opportunity not exist? The government provides education to all children thus giving them an equal opportunity. From then on it all depends how hard they work to achieve academic excellence so they can attend a good university and then have a good job and become successful. Really, the government provides too much for the children, not only are they allowed to attend school free of cost, but they are actually forced to go so that they cannot help but get an education and have the best possible start to becoming successful. I really do not understand your point.

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Oct '12

Auntylala

v Equality of Outcome

If the 'equality of opportunity'--american dream weren't a farce then equal outcome should be assumed to be a logical conclusion of that dream.... But opportunity is NOT equal and believing it is just keeps this faux democracy/republic alive and well. Wake up! Stop believing in shadows & dismissing reality. This is an oligarchic plutocracy... Equality of opportunity is a sham that brainwashes you into actually thinking you can rise above the social class you were born into. Check the stats on that if you dont believe me!

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Oct '12

Auntylala

Sorry... Plutocratic Oligarchy :)

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Oct '12

CommonSense

*facepalm* You are polarizing. You are everything that is wrong with how liberalism presents itself today. Maybe you are a plant and trying to make liberalism look bad? Of course opportunity is not equal and the government should be doing things to fix that, but when you come on here and say that we ought to have equal outcomes then you reinforce the viewpoint of people who think we already have equal opportunity and that the other side wants equal outcomes. On balance liberalism is better than conservatism at least in the United States, but it is suffering from a major image problem because of people like you that say things like this. It's not either "keep things...

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Oct '12

Auntylala

@CommonSense i said nothing about liberalism... Nor did i say/imply "that we ought to have equal outcomes then you reinforce the viewpoint of people who think we already have equal opportunity and that the other side wants equal outcomes." This is simply my own opinion from what i see around me. I apologize if u think i misrepresent liberalism, but i never tried to generally define every liberal's view either. Just bc we have liberal ideas doesn't mean we, "liberals" feel the same way on every topic. And this is obviously one of them. Also, im sorry u think i am "everything thats wrong w/ how liberalism presnts itself today" i think diversity is a stronger attri...

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CommonSense

@Auntylala The problem with "liberals" and "conservatives" is that political discourse has degenerated to the point where "liberal"="person who generally agrees with people who self-identify as liberal" and "conservative"="person who generally agrees with people who self-identify as conservative". There is no more sense of objective definition to these words. If tomorrow 80% of Democrats were pro-life and 80% of Republicans were pro-choice quickly you'd see people calling laws against abortion "liberal" and legalized abortion "conservative". The words used to have coherency to them and to an extent still do, but less and less over time. The time will come when we t...

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CommonSense

Look it's just even "communists" do not support "Equality of outcome". People in communist countries do get paid differently, they get paid what the state thinks is the value of their labor contribution. The only arguable exception was Pol Pot's Kampuchea/Cambodia because they abolished money! Look how that turned out. It's fine to argue that (and I agree) we do not currently have equality of opportunity, but saying we ought to have equality of outcome is absurd.

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whatif

v Equality of Opportunity

What this country needs is a vlounteer fire department. Think of the Billions saves. People that are fire fighters if you will,,,it should be fire putters outters, also have other jobs on there days off. So called fire fighters ride around town in a truck that gets 3 gallions to a mile. While in the truck they go shopping, pay bills, flurt with girls and have a good old time on our dime. Start looking for the fire trucks and you will be surprised.

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Capt_Morgan02

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Equal outcomes are impossible to guarantee. Opportunity is all America has ever promised, starting with the first Europeans who came here to make a better life. Some failed and perished, others succeeded and flourished. We are lucky enough now that failure doesn't have to equal someone perishing. They still get to live their life and many go on to succeed even after great failure. Opportunity, in essence, IS the American dream. Outcome is in the hands of the individual.

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Sep '12

ir0nw0lfe

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There is no success in opportunity of outcome. That's called socialism and it fails every time. Here's an illustrative example. An economics professor at Texas Tech said he had never failed a single student before but had, once, failed an entire class. The class had insisted that socialism worked and that no one would be poor and no one would be rich, a great equalizer. The professor then said ok, we will have an experiment in this class on socialism. All grades would be averaged and everyone would receive the same grade so no one would fail and no one would receive an A. After the first test the grades were averaged and everyone got a B. The students who studied hard...

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Sep '12

KRadNJ

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This is the root difference between the parties this year! Obama = less opportunity and a focus on the same outcome for everyone. Romney = more opportunity and unlimited outcome potential for everyone. If I wake up at 6 am and work a 15 hour day at 2 jobs and make $100,000 per year .... I should NOT have to give my earnings to the person who works 1/2 as much as I do. They have the SAME opportunity to work hard, but the chose to do other things with their time. I should not be penalized because I made more money as a result of my hard work!

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AceLuby

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What a ridiculously stupid question, of course you can't pursue equality of outcome. With that being said, you don't have the same opportunities in this country being born in the ghetto and going to an inner city school as you would being born with a trust going to a private school, so this notion that we already have equality of opportunity is hogwash. It would be nice if the only things that stood in your way was your work ethic and how hard you work, but unfortunately, that's not how the real world works. Today there is less upward mobility than ever before in this country, which just proves that we don't have equality of opportunity and ignoring this fact isn't goi...

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Sep '12

Jeff_Woehrle

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Government cannot give anything to anyone without first taking it from someone else.

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Sep '12

Decent-Dissent

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We think we have equal opertunities now, but the rich get richer while everyone else stays struggling. I want 1 chance.

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Granite4Red

I will give you credit for being the only Communist voter with the guts to comment. Your 100% wrong, but at least you speak your opinion

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Bobolinsky

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Equal Outcome = Equal Misery

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Pack7

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Equality of income is nothing more than socialism/communism/ Marxism. We all know how that turns out. We should all have the opportunity to become successful. It is up to us to achieve success thru hard work and perseverance. Government should stay the hell out of our lives.

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Sep '12

Pflack

v Equality of Opportunity

All politics aside. We all have different hopes and dreams, we all just want the Opportunity to pursue them.

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