The main take-home from the presidential debate on Wednesday night was that Romney won handily with an aggressive, alpha-male performance. But this morning a secondary narrative has emerged out of post-debate "factchecks" that accuse Romney of playing fast and loose with the truth.
One of the most Romney-hostile debate postmortems appeared on the NY Times's main editorial page, which accuses Romney of outright lying, "mendacity," "hollowness," and "falsehoods." "Virtually every time Mr. Romney spoke, he misrepresented the platform on which he and Paul Ryan are actually running," claims the Times.
The paper gives three examples: Romney's statements on taxes, financial regulation, and healthcare:
Mr. Romney claimed, against considerable evidence, that he had no intention of cutting taxes on the rich or enacting a tax cut that would increase the deficit. That simply isn't true. Mr. Romney wants to restore the Bush-era tax cut that expires at the end of this year and largely benefits the wealthy. He wants to end the estate tax and the gift tax, providing a huge benefit only to those with multimillion-dollar estates, at a cost of more than $1 trillion over a decade to the deficit.
On health care, Mr. Romney pretended that he had an actual plan to replace the Affordable Care Act, and that it covered pre-existing conditions. He has no such plan.
The editorial is one of the strongest anti-Romney debate reviews of the day, though there are many others criticizing the candidate's seeming departure from his previous statements on taxes and pre-existing conditions.
@real_voter Mad? Hell no, I just enjoy calling them what they are. The New York Times is the biggest liberal rag in the country. They are completely biased against anyone opposing the re-election of Barack Husssein Obama. If you deny that, you are lying...period.
EXACTLY!! Now they are trying every excuse in the book to cover for Obama even tithe extent of personal problems. Yeah. I agree. He's got problems alright. He's going to loose his high paying job,(which he will forever be wealthy), and his dictatorship over America. That IS a problem for him.
The Governor was demonstrably dishonest last night. For example, he absolutely denied his tax ideas include a reduction of rates for the wealthiest which is precisely the opposite of what he said in February. As I said elsewhere, the fact-checkers are going to be working overtime on the comments from both candidates, but Mr. Romney seems to have taken an early lead in the mendacity olympics.
No, this is incorrect, he wants a 20% cut across the board with cuts in loopholes to offset the cuts. In other words, he will simplify the tax code, cut out the deductions that those of us who make over the magic number of $250,000 and we will still pay the same amount , out tax book will just be smaller and perhaps cost us less for BDO to prepare it. The middle class will see no INCREASE (emphasis, remember?) at all, no matter what the discredited left leaning report said (they even had to walk back their assumptions, since they were only assumptions and what if's). And, the fact checkers (who can trust them anymore?) did come out and say that he was spot on. Obama was playing fast and loose with his "math". LOL - Not one word out of Obama's mouth has been the truth in so long, I'd be shocked if he did tell the truth.
@David944 Your comment is the only fact on this thread. The Ny Times is a lameduck newspaper and even worse staffers. I didn't know the Ny Times was in the entrainment industry. Thought they were in the news industry and said news was supposed to be reported unbiased and without prejudice. Oops. I forgot. That freedom of expression. Let be the first to express a nice piss off Ny Times. Obama is out. Romney is in.
I think it is pretty widely acknowledged at this point that he lied across the board. He debated fantastically, and there is no question he won. But, he will ultimately lose the election for it. There are too many fact-checkers today. Too much technology to be able to get away with such reckless straying from the truth. He did go out with a bang though.
Are those Fact Checkers looking into Guantanamo Closing? Airing healthcare reform on CSPAN? Obama saying he would be a one term president if he couldn't fix the economy in 3 years? Pelosi saying Democrats have a commonsense plan to help bring down skyrocketing gas prices ?
Yes, Romney was juiced on Red Bull, but he was also slinging nothing but BS.
LIE #1 Romney
TheTax Policy Center, a project of the Brookings Institution and Urban Institute, crunched the numbers on the Rthey determined that his proposed rate cut would cost…$5 trillion.
"PAUL RYAN states that the 20 percent cut in tax rates that he and running mate Mitt Romney propose. Will work but he doesn’t want to tell you how much it will cost.
Higher-income people reap a “disproportionate amount” of the benefit of lower rates on capital gains and dividends — households earning more than $200,000 a year receive 90 percent of the benefit. But the Romney-Ryan plan would leave that break in place. Most of the remaining major tax breaks flow primarily to households earning $200,000 or less. For example, more than two-thirds of the benefit of the deduction for home mortgage interest goes to those making less than $200,000 a year." (Krugman, 2012)
Apparently, the NYT e-board hasn't been reading their own news articles, or they'd know that the pending expiration of the Bush tax cuts - "Taxmageddon" - will have a huge impact on our economy and everyone in it, not just the wealthy.
As for the NYT accusing other people of getting their facts wrong, that's like a heroin junkie calling someone a drug addict.
you are not really addressing the issue and arguing a slightly odd point; the source itself, was not in fact the question of debate. That a news source in this day and age where expediency and speed of reporting has become so important that getting the story out before the other guy sometimes means that you don't get the facts totally straight is surely to be expected? What about all the other newspapers/tv/internet who are constantly getting facts wrong, to portray it like the NYT is the only offender? Please! Fox "News" the Tribune, Post, everyone gets things wrong from time to time, and anyway they were right, he was lying through his teeth to score points, which are apparantly more important htan facts nowadays. And "taxmageddon"? Come on guy.
@ConcernedParty - I didn't invent that term, it's being used all over the political media. My point isn't that Romney told the absolute truth, it's that the NYT is only interested in exposing Romney's lies and not Obama's.
@Stratton I wasn't implying you invented it, I was questioning the legitimacy of the concept. its hype. remember y2k? its bs of asimilar kind if not magnitude. And one lie/fudged truth does not a liar make. for that you have to look at the man who spent the whole evening backtracking contradicting himself and out and out fabrication in order to comeacross better. he is the product of arketing and any substance he has is hidden by all the gladhanding, smiling and forcing himself to seem like a reasonable human being.
What a joke. I find it laughable that a politician can state their plan, and then an ignorant, bitter reporter who refuses to conceed that his favored canidate did not do so well last night, can step in and say well that's really not what they stand for. Is this reporter inside the Romney camp or have some magic telepathy to know what goes on in their minds? Everything reported about Romney before last nights debate to me was all speculation generated by others and the media. Last night Romney did his best to clarify and dispell the rumors about what he really stands for, yet here this reporter is going to sit there and ignorantly state that he lied and thats really not who he is. So if that wasn't the real Romney last night, was that the real Obama, because if so that was pitiful.
Did he lie about our gas prices being high? Did he lie when he said job growth is stagnant? Did he lie about the massive national debt increase over the last four years? Yeah, I guess he lied about all that. I will have to tell the gas station on the way home to quit lying on the signs about the price per gallon of gas. Tell my wife who has been searching for a stable job now for two years to start calling business and to tell them to quit lying about no jobs being available.
Only the extremely ignorant right now are denying Romney's victory last night. He might have stretched the truth in spots, just like Obama has. But the man is passionate about what he believes is the right thing to do right now whereas Obama looked like a confused, lost child.
Um, um, umm. That's the only truthful thing Obumble said last night. Lol. What a disgrace. Despite Obumble having 4 more minutes than Romney he still couldn't spit it out! Then the left says Romney was interjecting...wrong! Liberals use that technique if they say it enough it is true. They believe everyone will be fooled. Only those unfortunates who want to be is what I say. Obummer was the bummer I've always knew him to be.
Does anyone else feel that this discussion would be more interesting if we skipped the political rhetoric? Be it Nobama, Mutt, libtard, conservadumb, or kool-aid, these terms don't add much to the discussion and usually put others on the defense.
Wishful thinking on my part. 2012 is a done deal. As you've pointed out, Sitter, the campaigns and the media have done a PHENOMENAL job at dividing our nation along every line imaginable. They'll see-saw in the polls throughout October, and it will be "so close" on the sixth that whoever's family is running Florida will "win". Deja Vu?
Of course "he lied his way through the debate." He said he would help someone who lost their job.(And that's only listening to 5 seconds of his speech b/c his voice makes my stomach turn). As far as I can tell, his history shows a corporate bigwig who shut down and bought out many a company, leaving those workers out of work.
Mitt is definitely a puppet, but so is the President. If it weren't for that darned podium, perhaps we could follow the protruding-arm and see where it leads...but we can't. Mitt's OBVIOUSLY comfortable telling lies (heck, they even praised him for it last night), and Obama has far from delivered on his promise of a "transparent administration". Maybe a third-party vote isn't such a bad idea if it opens the doors for a GREAT candidate in 2016. If only there was such a candidate...WAIT! There IS such a candidate!: