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    Do I think Christie is partially to blame? Of course I don't. But many on the Right will. They just love passing blame especially when they were the ones who were responsible. The Romney campaign had a piss poor strategy. It did not work. They should suck it up and move on.
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    I know Chris Christie is not responsible, he's just one man but if he was? I wouldn't blame him, I'd praise him. Winning wasn't what any one person did. It's what Americans did.
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    He'll never be able to run for president, until he looses weight. In this latest presidential bid, Christie was favored over Romney to run,but decided not to for obvious reasons.
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    @NJBE22 There's a different, between being overweight and obese. Chris Christie is definitely obese. If Chis Christie was a female, the media would be all over her about her weight. It's ok for men to be overweight, but not women. Just look at all the gossip magazine covers, with female celebrities on the front and the headlines read such&such gained weight or so&so lost 30 pounds in two months. A Leader of a country should be the picture of health and to show the citizens their health is something that's going to a priority.
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    @isis2012 I understand and I wasn't singling you out, I was talking generally. Fat, chubby, obese- all words with different levels of negative connotations attached to them. Man or woman, I realize the media wants everyone on the public eye to fit a prototype and it's unfair IMO and adds to the negative public perception. I'm not fat, or obese, or overweight. Far from, i just believe people should be as they are comfortable being. I respect your opinion that a leader on any platform in the public eye should be the picture of health. I even agree to an extent. I just have a hard time supporting the idea that anyone SHOULD be anything other than they are or that we can tell others what they SHOULD do.
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    Of course. He should have put his state and people's needs second to Romney's needs.
    It was rather poor taste to act like a responsible elected official.
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    No, Obama won because his targeted groups with a combination of bribes and lies fell into line and voted for him again. Obama is the only reelected president to actually lose people who voted for him last time. He won on lies, by demeaning the office of president and by not presenting any plan for what HE would do, just spend all his time and money demonizing Mr. Romney, who BTW is and always will be a better man than Obama could ever hope to be. A list of O's lies that have been debunked: Romney did NOT send jobs to China, he did not kill that man's wife, he didn't cheat on his taxes, Bain Capitol did not buy businesses to bankrupt them, he does understand the needs of everyone, not just a select few like Obama and I could go on and on with the long list of lies Obama told but it's too late now. YOU will have to live with more unemployment, job stagnation, another downgrade in our credit rating, less medical care for more money and higher taxes, not just for those nasty rich who make more than $250,000 a year, but all of you. No way the "rich" have enough money to pay for all that Obama has planned so you too will get soaked.
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    What lies ? He just made sense to me. Cutting taxes 20% across the board sounds great but certainly isn't going to lower the deficit. That was his biggest and most dangerous lie.
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    @Tralee As a female member of a group that was once repressed, I care far more about being respected than becoming wealthier. The Republican party alienated too many people who weren't white, male and heterosexual and that's why they lost.
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    @anncadbury If you are talking to me, Obama's lies are listed in my post. Romney didn't lie about the tax CUT, and since he didn't get elected YOU will never find out or understand that it would have worked. Unfortunately most of America is woefully lacking in any economic education or understanding. That's why so many believed the lie from Obama that Romney's plan was just a tax cut for the rich. Laughable, but Dems. have been passing this lie off for years. Remember Bush's tax cuts were just for the rich too. Of course that was a lie because the "rich" got the smallest percentage of the tax cut given out, that's why, in Realville, raising the taxes only on the "rich" will effectively do nothing, well, run the country for about 24 hrs. The largest amount of money taken out of the pot was the money that the rest of the tax payers go returned to them. Letting the tax rate go up for the top earners will garner $678 B over ten years, letting them all expire will garner $3.7 TRILLION over the next 10 years. That's quite a difference, especially since America is spending over $3.6 Billion a DAY.
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    @hybridlment Wonderful, you got the DNC talking points down exactly right. Good, enjoy your free birth control. That's about all you'll get, not a job, but by golly you sure won't get pregnant and if you, heck, no problemo, just trash the kid. Oh, and how did Obama getting reelected get YOU more respect? That I find very puzzling. No, Obama demonized just enough wealthy or white, male and female heterosexuals to get himself reelected. Whoopie. What did you win again?
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    he was helping his community they needed help you amaze me . WTH did the can goods do when the people of New Jersey didn't have a place to live.
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    "There is no place in our society for his brand of disloyalty. "

    Which brings up one of what I consider a severe failing found swirling around the ideology of the Right. Many on the Right, granted not all, but many on the Right seem to consider party loyalty more important than any other concern. Add in their complete lack of tolerance for any view other than their own, and it is not surprising the Republican Party appears to be a sinking ship. It is time for the moderate voices of the Right to take back the message and their party. If they don't, The Republican party will go the way of the Whigs. But what do I know? I'm just a moderate hover around the middle moderate who leans left most days but can be enticed to the Right on occasion.
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    @MRMacrum You nailed it on the head! Why be so close minded to others opinions just bc they aren't in your party? This isn't high school, we are a country that needs to consider every aspect of repair.
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    LOL - if you say so. What it was was a Photo Op before leaving to campaign some more, that's all. It probably got NJ some needed funds and you can't fault Christie for that. But if it was one thing, that's the only good thing he's done. He came got a picture taken and left. And now a whole week later, hundreds of thousands still have no shelter, electricity or proper food and heat. FEMA closed yesterday due to the weather, gov. employees got the day off I guess and Staten Island is still a disaster of mold growing homes, piles of flooded cars, no electricity, no garbage collection and no electricity but staying in their homes because of the looters taking what little they had left. But, FEMA employees got the day off due to weather. Great Job Mr. President, way to lead your team. Half of Long Island is still without electricity too. Any you guys complained about Katrina? You have to be a hypocrite to not see that this storm was just as bad and it's getting less help. Where are the news people who were all over NOLA as the states of NJ and NY get the double whammy of floods and now feet of snow covering the mess and STILL no electricity and heat.
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    @Tralee New Orleans is still a mess a well they just fixed up the tourist areas but if you go east to slidel and surrounding cities it is still a mess , I pray that they are provided with relief . Does anyone know how to register tp volunteer with FEMA ? will use my vacation to go and assist other's in need.
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    You can't blame Christie for telling the truth. He gave credit when credit was due. It doesn't mean he's changed his opinion of someone's policies.
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    If the right turn their back on him for stating the truth, then that speaks volumes about their character or rather lack there of.
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    The problem wasn't Christie's interaction with Obama. It was the media's harping on it for days on end. Rather than praising Christie for his non-partisan response, they speculated endlessly about how it might affect the election. They created the perception of Christie's behavior as traitorous and, sheep that we are, we fell for it hook, line, and sinker.
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    That is exactly all it is. Such small issues compared to the real issues at hand. The media is a joke and so are those that fall for it - all around
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    "we fell for it hook, line, and sinker"

    If the "we" you are referring to are the folks on the Right, I might agree. But I don't think for a second anyone left of center thought he was being a traitor. I think the Left might just know Christie better than his own party.
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    @MRMacrum The "we" I am referring to is the voting populace in general. Surely you aren't suggesting that voters left of center are immune from media influence. This is an example of the type of divisive "us vs them" comment that exacerbates the already-existing animosity. The American public in general accepts what they see and hear in the media without questioning the slant inherent in information put forth by reporters with their own thoughts and opinions. To suggest that only those who vote conservatively are susceptible to media manipulation (whether intentional or unintentional) carries with it an implication of superiority that simply doesn't exist. Once again, I am reminded why we are unable to have civil discourse between the two major parties.
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    @SophieB - I made no suggestion, I flat out said it. In this case I feel the Right (not all, but many more than the Left) felt it was a betrayal. And as you say, the media pundits did not help. I never meant to imply one was more superior than the other. That would be patently false in my opinion. But the skin on the Right at the moment is quite a bit thinner than the skin on the Left generally speaking. The Right for many years has pounded home the notion of party loyalty first, traitors will be drawn and quartered. It was one of the many reasons I left the Republican party in 1980. To their credit, the GOP built up a very intimidating party that had their goals and worked as one to achieve them. The Left was a disorganized motley crew in comparison. That all changed for both when the Tea Party began to infiltrate the GOP ranks. Now it is the GOP's turn to feel what trying to herd cats is all about. The Left, it appears, has figured it out.
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    @MRMacrum First, perhaps I've missed something but I'm a little confused. My post is not about the Republican or Democratic parties, but rather about the way the media has the power to influence the perception of voters. This is an excellent example of my point. Based on the media coverage, you are assuming that conservative voters feel that Christie's behavior was traitorous. I am politically conservative, yet I don't feel this way, nor do any of my friends. Your assumption that all conservatives now view Christie with contempt is support for my argument that people on both sides are influenced by the way the media chooses to cover the issues.
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    Such media tripe and instigated bloviating. All parties were doing the job they should have, simple as. Sad we live in a Nation of tabloid drama............
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    Not intentionally, but unfortunately according to the exit polls a pretty big majority cited the bipartisan and first show of presidential authority for 2 yrs. as a deal maker for Obama. That photo op of Obama and Christie sealed Romney's fate. So, I doubt Mr. Christie will be headlining too many Repub. events for a bit, he will be forgiven for bad timing though and be back as a fan favorite. I guess after years of a combative and partisan president, one who waged the dirtiest campaign in memory, that one bit of looking like a president surprised enough people to sway their vote.
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    I don't see what so remarkable about this story. Democrat or Republican, they worked together and made the government do what it was there to do. And Christie didn't lie when Obama did everything he could to support the people affected by Sandy. Christie spoke the truth. As Christie is known to do.
    All politics aside. The federal government under Obama's direct instruction did everything possible to support New Jersey, New York, and Delaware, and their state governments worked in concert, and what we got was the best possible outcome of a very bad situation.
    And then people get mad at Christie for saying things are going well. What the fuck people. Get over your political partisanship.
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    now here is where it becomes partisan. The republican party want to see unhappy people, poor, homeless, destitute, and desperate so that they will vote for a change in congress or presidency. But they have heard a resounding "NO" to them from the national election of our president for a second term.
    It really has backfired on them, the whole obstructing everything platform. There are few failures of Obama's because Republicans won't let him or his party do anything. There is nothing there to attack. Nothing substantial anyways. If they had allowed his jobs acts to pass or his equal pay for women act to pass, then maybe they would have some fodder to use against him to call him incompetent or wasteful or whatever. But instead they filibustered. It means that Obama can propose anything he wants, and as long as he knows he will get filibustered, he knows it will have no real effect on our society or economy. It allows him to pander to whatever constituency he wants!
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    @norezen If Obama proposed limiting presidency to 8 years, the republicans would probably fight him on that too. I would like to see him in office for 12 or 16 years personally.
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    Both Obama and Christie, for a moment, put their partisanship aside and did the job they were hired to do. I thought it was excellent.
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    Not at all. I do find fault in biased news agencies that claim to report news. Christie was mitigating a response to a natural disaster but the media put a spin on Christie somehow supporting Obama for reelection. So 4 more years of socialist rule and potentially unrecoverable financial collapse.

    Best of luck democrats. Republicans not bailing you out of this one. I plan on doing my part when the Chinese show up by handing them fliers on where they can start with their collections.
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    No, even if the storm hit Obama's ground game was FAR superior than Romney. The storm didn't bring people out to vote in the same numbers as 2008, the campaign made sure they had the same turnout.
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    I DEFINITELY feel Chris Christie helped Obama win. I, for one, could kick his fat behind. I hope his future in politics ends, for being such a hypocrite. Christie SHOULD have told Obama it was NOT a good time for he, and his entourage, to invade such a devastated area. I used to think HIGHLY of Christie, but now I see him as a turncoat.
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