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BREAKING UP IS HARD TO DO

Rick Perry, National Review Say End Talk of Secession

America's flagship conservative publication cites Texas Gov. Rick Perry in shooting down secession buzz

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by Dain Fitzgerald

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This talk of secession is counter-productive, says National Review's Charles C.W. Cooke, and that's something even Don't-Mess-With-Texas Governor Rick Perry can understand.

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    AceLuby
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    At a personal level sure, secede yourself, renounce your citizenship and move. Texans are quite lucky that many can simply walk to another country and see if the grass is greener. If these people think this has any kind of mass attraction they are fooling themselves.
  • PuroChorizo361
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    Let them go to Canada and freeze their you know what off! Let them move to Japan or China where they have stricter laws! Let them move to the middle east or Africa in deserts and famine! We'd be better off without them that's for sure!
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    seedtick
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    Hell, Washington DC appears to have seceded long ago. But, why pick on Texas? There are about 30 states sending in petitions...but I bet Smellinois is not one of them.
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    seedtick
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    @Clbraz78 Well, if you look, I bet you will find some really good folks mixed in. I have found that to be true everywhere I have been. I guess there must be a balance to the craziness.
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  • PNWest
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    I think that Texas seceding would be the end to a lot of the USA's problems. I wish they would do it. The average IQ of the USA would probably go up by 10 points. Without the TX electoral votes the GOP wouldn't be able to win the Presidency for the next 20 years. By then the population of TX would be majority Latino and they would want back into the USA but by then would be democratic leaning state giving another 20 years or so to the dems.
  • 2ndcharm
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    Sure, if you think cutting off the world's 14th largest economy would "end" problems not to mention it mean would the loss of more than a fifth of US refining capacity as well as natural gas production. Oh and if you really want to raise the national IQ, California would stand as a better target for elimination.
  • PNWest
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    @2ndcharm CA is not on the list of states with large numbers of people asking to secede so the IQ issue is moot. If TX wants to leave I doubt many people would miss them. Plus I'm pretty sure that the really productive people in TX would jump the border and come back to the USA.
  • 2ndcharm
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    @PNWest "CA is not on the list of states with large numbers of people asking to secede so the IQ issue is moot."
    hence the "if" of my statement.
    'If TX wants to leave I doubt many people would miss them."
    you see, that's where I disagree with you, if in the event that Texas "fully" secedes, then the US would not only "miss" us, but will be significantly affected negatively by it. One does not simply lose it's biggest energy producer and come out unscathed.
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    1hardcorerepub
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    It is a viable solution. Obama and the democrats have been in office for the last 4 years
    and people are entitled to their opinions and actions. Perhaps, if the democrats had a back bone, they would of done or suggested the same idea when Bush was in office. Instead, they whine and cry about his presidency even to this day. If the citizens of Texas are serious about secession, then their elected Governor should give it consideration.
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    Nat
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    I'm sorry. Most of us aren't stupid enough to think that seceding from the Union is the answer. But go ahead...you do it. Don't whine and cry as you claim the Democrats do. Have a backbone and secede! Get your whole state to do so. Lead a revolution that only far right-wingnuts want to be a part of. Claim your state as an independent country. Form your own government which has no liberal leanings, but only hard-nosed, religious right, America-hating people.
    Then, fund everything for your country yourselves. You won't have any help with infrastructure, no help in case of statewide emergencies, and damn well no medicare. You give up your rights to citizenship and run with it.

    You're welcome.
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    1hardcorerepub
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    @Nat I have signed the petition for my state. If the secession is granted, peacefully, then I will follow the rules on as set forth by my new government and relinquishing all responsibilities and obligations associated with my American citizenship gladly.

    I have no problem funding and setting up our own form of government that does not support same sex marriages, foster entitlement mentalities nor empathetic to the next social issue that comes down the line. What I forsee that government doing and standing for is fiscal responsbility, foster a support yourself mentality instead of handouts or "Obamaphones" and defines marriage between one woman and one man.

    Of course, common sense dictates this secession talk is just that, talk. It will never come to fruition.

    However, it should serve as a warning to all of troubled waters on the horizon. I know I am prepared.
  • VCP
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    Sorry but fear has divided this country. Fear of losing status, fear of losing control, fear of people who are different than themselves. Fear if not being the majority in charge. President Obama is not the divider. President Obama is the product of the change that has come to our country. The change that has made a lot of America afraid.
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    Zoe2012
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    @VCP What are you talking about? Division, half of this country does not approve of Obama and his policies. Fear, no more like insanity. Change? Unemployment with increasing numbers, people receiving food stamps at an all-time high, increasing health care prices with Obamacare, foreclosures on almost every street, bankruptcy rates at an all time high, gasoline prices at $4.00 a gallon and rising and on and on. You call that change, most folks call that failure! It is just a shame that we have people in country that find the above acceptable, apparently, they are not bright!
  • shebet747
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    @VCP I totally agree with you VCP! And President Obama didn't divide this country, it was already divided. People are acting out of fear doing some crazy things they will regret later. Whether they realize it or not, we all need each other but the hate can be left behind.
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    VCP
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    @Zoe2012 Well it's ok. If you have to blame someone for your troubles, you can blame President Obama. He has big shoulders he can handle it.
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  • Rocker
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    I could have sworn that we already played this gig back in 1861 with disasterous results and we had this settled. In order to keep the Union intact, how about the folks that don't like it just move. I would have thought the Texas signees could look to their south to see that things could be a lot crappier and not necessarily greener. Don't bet me wrong - I don't really care. I have all the b.s. I can handle in my own sandbox.
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    woodtick57
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    Oh man, we get this every election it seems. i remember all the people saying they were moving to Canada both times bush II was elected...

    Lots of whinging whackjobs all across the political spectrum...
  • Rocker
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    It really isn't much of a story, man. We're divided enough already. The media is just helping things along.
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    IraqWarVeteran
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    In the White House website, petition sections, people from across the nation have signed petitions for secession of the Union — United States. Petitions state, "Peacefully grant the State of New Jersey to withdraw from the United States of America and create its NEW government," and if the petition exceed 25,000, response and decisions are made by the officials on Pennsylvania Ave, Washington, D.C.
    "...Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed, that whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or abolish it, and institute new Government..."
  • Zazziness
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    @IraqWarVeteran You do know there's a typo in the sentence you quoted -- a word is missing. And if you read the secession statement, there are lots more basic errors. Do you really want to break off and form a new country with people who can't form a complete sentence?
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  • greatsphinx
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    Does the thought of a black man being re-elected as President throw whites to point they want their states to break away from the U.S.? Last week on twitter Whites said they would move to Canada. Hate us that bad huh? Now this week 20 states want to secede some of these states are former slave holding states, just imagine what would happen to the millions of Blacks in seceded states. Since they would no longer be part of the union why recognize part of the constitution that upholds civil rights for African Americans. Oh yeah they would over throw civil rights too only this time they would meet with with their equals because we aren't going down without a fight. Those days of the humble and servant black and woman have long died.And believe me they will never return if we have anything to do about it!
  • Rocker
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    I think it's more or less a political and economic agenda thing, Sphinx. Although with some folks, I get the the feeling is pretty transparent.
  • Zazziness
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    They hate Democrats is the real source of the problem. They've been carefully trained to think of them as enemy combatants, not fellow Americans with differing political views. But yeah, for some the fact Mr. Obama is a black Democrat just makes it all the worse. I'm sure some of the fanatics have enough hate to go around for all sorts of different groups.
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    hybridlment
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    This whole thing is just posturing, it won't happen - but what you post is correct about the possibilities if it did. (White woman, standing beside you in celebrating the death of those days and/or fighting to keep them dead).
  • Keyjo
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    I can't speak for Texas, per say. And I won't deny that there are people who hate Obama for his race, I have met them. But I don't think that is the reason the majority of Republicans don't like him. For one thing, Obama is only 50% of African descent. He is also half Caucasian. But Herman Cain had a lot of support early on before his true colors, shall we say, shown through. There are also other prominent African-Americans in the Republican party, so while racism may be a motivation for some Obama detractors, I don't think race is a factor for most.
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  • Zazziness
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    It seems to me the talk of secession is treasonous. It's certainly childish. Get over the fact your candidate wasn't elected and get on with making this a better nation to live in.
  • Zazziness
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    @Canoochee Easy. Because the people doing it are more loyal to their political party than their nation. They don't accept that we are a diverse nation. They want it all their way and their way only. And if they don't get it, they turn their back on the nation that has done so much for them and try to secede. Hard to respect the attitude.
  • Canoochee
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    @Zazziness That to you is a capital crime? You have no qualms if the hundreds of thousands who have signed the petitions in 20 states are put to death?
  • Zazziness
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    @Canoochee No, I don't want them put to death, though they are treasonous. How about if loyal Americans just shame them for their childish fit of pique and we suggest that there are plenty of existing countries they can move to if this one doesn't suit them?
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  • stepped_in_it
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    No it isn't!=========Gov. Perry should 1) help Texans to look at the "greatness of our Union" == 2) inform them that 'should be done to change it'==3) UMMM I FORGET
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    cpeter133
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    Which has nothing to do with secession. All these petitions do is--if they get the required number of signers--is make the government respond. That response will be "no", or "no, peckerheads" depending on their mood. Do you really think a state's population should be disenfranchised based on a petition of a very small minorityy?
  • Keyjo
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    "Is secession a legitimate solution to America's troubles?"
    Sorry Politix, but that's a stupid question! That's like asking if amputation is a legitimate solution to an itch!
  • VCP
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    It is A solution. Just not the best one. Of course there would still be that ghost itch that you couldn't scratch!
  • Lpguy
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    Absolutely! In fact i would say at this point that secession has become the most viable solution to restore free markets and personal liberty.(unless its a liberal state seceding, i would avoid that bullet)
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