UPS have ended their donations to the Boy Scouts of America over the organization's exclusion of gay members, Boston.com reports.
The mail company have announced a new policy that bars funding for groups that discriminate based on sexuality - and on other grounds. UPS gave $167,000 to the Boy Scouts in 2010.
The mail company joins Intel, the scouts' biggest donor, who announced earlier this year that they'd end funding for the group.
The announcement follows an 80,000-signature Change.org petition asking UPS to stop funding the Scouts - a petition organized by Zach Wahls, who became famous after his moving defense of his two moms' right to marry went viral earlier in 2012.
Progressive bloggers at the Daily Kos have started a campaign to say "thank you" to UPS for their decision.
Yes. The Boy Scouts would be better off not discriminating and allowing any boy to join. Given the data on sex abuse that has come out it looks like they don't have that much of a problem with the gay stuff as long as it is the adults abusing the boys. Kinda like the Catholic Church without the wine and wafers.
crap-for some reason I was thinking the ban was against the boy scouts being gay. I have a mixed emotion. On one hand I understand no gay scout leader, and another, just as the Catholic Church-not all priest are gay. Not all gay men are sex offenders. This I think may be a good idea-what the UPS did, because than, we would have to apply not allowing gays to teach school either. I think it is admirable of you with your stand-you are in concern for the boys and do not want them hurt. That is really sweet of you.I know gay men-who are only interested in men-and they are raising a child. What would you think if the scout leader went through testing and criminal background.
@LetsAllBeHappy - Why no gay scout leaders? And your comment about not all gay men are sex offenders. As a percentage of their population there are way more hetero sex offenders and child molesters than in the gay community.
@MRMacrum I came to that conclusion on my next response. must have been responding to the post at the same time. It seems to me that PNWest concern was for the children, not out of hate. so I think that all adults that deal with children should have to be vetted really good-even psych test
@LetsAllBeHappy The boy scouts ban gay boys from joining. I think it is wrong to discriminate against gays. Gays are no more likely to be child abusers than straight men. I have a very big problem when adults abuse children. People who do that should be severely punished. Certainly not all priests are gay - heck they are supposed to be celibate so it shouldn't matter if they are gay or straight.. Unfortunately through the years the Catholic Church has a terrible record for dealing with abusive priests. They have ruined many lives by not addressing the problems when they came up. For a long time they would just transfer an abusive priest to another parish where he would abuse again. I think it would be a good idea to run background checks on all scout leaders, boy scout and girl scout.
I think I will start an alternative to the Boy Scouts. Christian children won't be allowed. (Don't want the corrupting influence of their delusion.) Gays and girls will be allowed, but unlike the Boy Scouts pedophiles will not be allowed to be involved.
@Cheenoguy not all people who have a relationship with Christ feel this way. Jesus accepts all, he accepted a prostitute. I hope you are not blaming Jesus for not allowing boys who are not allowed. I think the misunderstanding is that gay men would be attracted to boys.But I do not see that-most straight adults are not attracted to kids of the opposite sex, so why would gay adults be
@LetsAllBeHappy They don't allow atheists or other non-Christians so they are out of my organization. I like Jesus. I just don't like Christianity. Glad that you understand that gay guys aren't pedophiles anymore then straight guys.
@MRMacrum since gay is a choice of sexual preference seems simple enough to me if you eliminate one potential problem, then all others related should take care of themselves. Also, my wife's and I's personal religious beliefs are against homosexuality.
WOW.. well I dont think Boy Scouts should be FORCED to allow Gays in..it is their Organization so it should be their Decision..I'd hate to see the Boy Scouts cease to be .. Maybe Chik fil A will help pickup the slack..
This is what conservatives are speaking of ..This is an Private organization they have the right to accept who they choose and Deny who they choose.. they deserve that right and People are trying to FORCE them to change their values and allow gays in... eg there are numerous black colleges around America nobody's petioning them to abolish that rule and allow whites in are they? and if they were how appropriate do you think that is?.. Let them have their lil piece of America the way they want it... If we cant do that we need to look in the mirror to see who's infringing on who's right's here?!?
The as a private organization, the BSA has the right to allow or deny anyone in their association. Just as UPS has the right to decide on where they donate their money, just as any private organization.
No!! I don't support gays in Boy Scouts !! No way I would let my son go camping overnight with a gay scout leader!! I would sue the scouts if they allowed it!!! I'd never let my daughter go camping overnight in Girl Scouts with a male leader!!( not decriminating against males or gays!) just using God given common sense!
and why is that? i understand not allowing men to oversee girlscout functions. it is your right as a parent, however, would this be your reaction if your son turned out to be gay? is that part of that God given sense? what is God given sense anyway?
you see, i don't care what the boy scouts' stance on gays is. as was said in the supreme court cases time and time again, it is their right as a private organization to limit their membership. it's the tone of your reaction that pisses me off. at least the boy scouts don't outwardly teach kids intolerance like you've shown.
@SpookyThreeTwo Why do you understand my stance of male leaders in girls scouts then? It is no different, your saying ALL men would molest girls? If my son turned out to be gay I still would not want him alone around gay men till he was 18, just like my daughter alone with any grown man, it's a risk to both I'm not willing to take
Just because someone is gay does not mean the are a pedophile. Gay is gay, pedophile is pedophile... A normal gay man is NOT sexually attracted to children, just like a normal straight man is not sexually attracted to children. We do not need to focus on whether a person is gay or not, we need to weed out the pedophiles who apply to be scout leaders! ALL organizations for children need to make sure that the children are safe, and the PEDOPHILES need to be eliminated, not the normal person who just wants to volunteer and make a difference in the lives of the children. As far as gay boys joining the scouts, why would that be a problem?? The fact that a child identifies as being gay should tell you that it is not a choice, and that discriminating against them and not allowing them to be part of something because of how they were born is wrong!
@txgurl001 Just because someone is a man doesn't mean he is a pedophile either, why dont you have a problem with the girl scouts stand? It is wisdom not to allow a man to oversee little girls camping , same as allowing gay men overseeing young boys, I don't believe the issue is about gay boys allowed in, 90 percent of boys scouts haven't reached puberty I would guess. If a known gay man ever did molest a young boy on a scouting trip we all know the parents would sue the scouts big time.. I understand that all gay men aren't pedophiles but as a parent I wouldn't risk my son to find out if he is or not, or my daughter alone with a man
@Ashstop You take an equal risk leaving your kids around any adult male. It is your responsibility as a parent to educate your child about molestation. and the fact that people are different in that sometimes boys don't like girls like that, they like other boys. if you think shielding them until they're 18 is going to help, you're wrong.
I would imagine that it is for political correctness that they choose to do so, and they have to look out for anything that could potentially cause them negative press. Like most corporations they now have to review policies based on the results of the election and make changes to stay in business. The Boy Scouts have had this policy for years, and for years UPS has donated to them. They did not wake up this morning and have a sudden change of mind. What is important to note is the timing of this announcement - only a week after the elections.
BSA has the right to exclude gay boys or gay scout leaders and UPS has the right not to fund them for their stance. Nobody ahs the right to bash BSA for the stance against gay scout leaders though as many do. Both sides should be protected, unfortunately only the pro gay groups are supported by the media and all others are villianized and called homophobes, bigots, outdated and whatever else.
so what would you call people that make fun of, shun, discriminate against (either passively or actively) or otherwise advocate the restriction of the liberties you enjoy as a "normal" member of society? people can't help who they prefer to get down with no more than i can control how blue my eyes are.
both sides should be protected if what they are doing is responsible and logical. i don't believe that anyone who restricts or otherwise disparages the way someone is that does no harm to anyone ... should have a fair say in any argument.
I do. I'll tell you why. That's our right. There will be others to take its place. Chic fil a maybe. Who knows. We all should have our right to freedom of speech or charity or what have you. There will always be others that think the same. If you disagree use fed ex. But the Boy Scouts being anti gay has the same freedoms- that being said is there a similar congregation that doesn't? I would hate for young boys to be left out. Haven't looked into that. I'm sure there is in this day and age. Now that I think about it- who is in the Boy Scouts anyways??? I don't think any of my friends kids are. Isn't there a lot if molestation accusations going on?? Ok- I'm done with my wondering rant.
I was in the Boy Scouts. The our scout leader was married and presumably heterosexual. Initiation consisted of depantsing. There was plenty of normal sexual experimentation among the boys in those pup tents late at night. Just as there was and is normal sexual experimentation in high school locker rooms, frat houses, the military and anywhere else where young men congregate and "bond." There is too much Puritanical hypocrisy in this country. People are who they are and are going to be. Isn't it better for it to be accepted and out in the open as opposed to in the dark? Child abuse is wrong and I support the BSA doing background checks on its leaders to eliminate any pedophiles from applying. But sexual orientation is absolutely NOT a qualifier or predictor as to a person's inclination to being a predator. As someone else pointed out, statistically speaking, most child abusers identify as heterosexual. UPS is right to NOT support discrimination towards either Gay leaders or would be scouts.
Several studies have shown that approximately 33% of convicted male child molesters molest males (Holland, 2007). In the study by Erickson, et al.(1988), 86% of the male sex offenders who assaulted boys (approximately 35% of the 229 convicted child molesters in the study) self-identified as homosexual; thus, approximately 30%(86% of 35%) of the male sex offenders who assaulted boys self-identified as homosexual. Now let’s compare this 30% to the percentage of self-identified male homosexuals in the general population. According to Wikipedia, 1.0%-1.6% of adult males self-identified as exclusively homosexual in random surveys worldwide. Even if we use the higher-end figure of 1.5% found in the most recent random survey in Great Britain (Doughty, 2012) as a reference point, we find that the percentage of convicted male child molesters who self-identified as homosexual in this study is 20 times as high (30% divided by 1.5%) as the percentage of males in the general population who self-identify as homosexual, thus demonstrating that this point is true and valid. Read more at http://rethinkingtheology.com/2012/10/22/link...
It demonstrates nothing but that you combined statistics from unrelated studies to come to a conclusion about religion. Facts will never help religious teachings because religious teachings are mythology and this the opposites of facts. Jesus spent the last 3 years of his life traveling exclusively with men who abandoned their wives to be with him. Sounds fishy to me.
@Cheenoguy Why do I even bother? If you find religion in here somewhere, we can't even begin to have an intelligent discourse. The true and valid point is obvious the link between homosexuality and pedophilia. Or were you meaning to reply to some other comment?
According to Wikipedia, 1.0%-1.6% of adult males self-identified as exclusively homosexual in random surveys worldwide. Even if we use the higher-end figure of 1.5% found in the most recent random survey in Great Britain (Doughty, 2012) as a reference point, we find that the percentage of convicted male child molesters who self-identified as homosexual in this study is 20 times as high (30% divided by 1.5%) as the percentage of males in the general population who self-identify as homosexual, thus demonstrating that this point is true and valid. wikipedia is not a creditable cite-anyone can get on there and change info
@jnjaist ." Read more at http://rethinkingtheology.com/2012/10/22/link... ; "Theology," ergo, religion! Also, pedophiles are attracted to the hairlessness and helplessness of their victims. Most true pedophiles make little gender discrimination and will victimize both prepubescent males and females. Hebephilia and ephebophilia are the terms referring to the sexual attraction to adolescents, 11 to 14 and 15 to 19 years old, respectfully. Boy Scouts usually range in age 11 to 15.
hmmm. wonder if they tested age bias. see, i have a tendency to think that if they surveyed a population of sex offenders aged 18 to 25, you'll see a huge contrast between those surveyed between 30 and 40. or even religious affiliation. sociological status. time in prison. these factors all play in. or how about history of sexual abuse. how was the population selected? was it across a judicial system, or was it limited to one or two prisons.
i don't have time to read these studies, but the fact that these studies were published on a religious site rather than a sociological, medical, criminology or psychology site makes me suspicious. your arguments are not compelling, sir. when i have the time, i will prove you wrong.
I think it's sad that being gay has anything to do with boyscouts. Sex offenders are one thing, but because a boy is gay he can't join? Or a grown man can't offer his time, it's not fair. Everyone loses here. I'd rather they are honest about things ,because being gay is not a crime. I am glad UPS is standing their ground, and I wish more ppl would follow their lead!
You keep referring to Jerry Sandusky. Sandusky is NOT Gay, he is heterosexual. Granted, he is a pedophile, but banning Gays from Boy Scouts would NOT have prevented him from being a Boy Scout leader or volunteer. USPS and FedEx have similar non-discriminatory policies. I guess that leaves you with smoke signals and carrier pigeons. Maybe you can even start your own Pony Express!