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    we know how CNN take polls. they over sample Democrats by least 10 percent. that being said most idiot Democrats still believe George Bush was in office.

    the only thing you take from this article is that the Democrats will purposely derail any chances of an agreement and simply blame the GOP.
    much like that weasel Harry Reid and the fact that he fails to bring a budget every year which of course is against the Constitution but who cares about the Constitution as long as there's a Democrat in the White House the constitution might as well be in the bathroom on the roll.
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    No sane person would take that away from the article. people whose partisanship blinds them from objective viewing of the facts might...
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    Kinda like republicans do?
    Hey since we're talking politics what was romneys economic reform plan?
    Since you were talking him up so hard before he lost, what was it that made you like him, since he was the most retarded possibly choice republicans could have dumbed down to...
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    bsking, you said: "Democrats will purposely derail any chances of an agreement" What "agreement' do they need to come to? The bill has already passed and the Budget Control Act of 2011 is now law... they only thing they need to agree to now is agree to follow the law...
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    all in office are liken to spoiled kids,they have fits and and pull little stunts to put things off.

    both sides have a part yet the one side has a history of pointing to the other,"just like a kid caught in a lie" yet have those who take their word even when they know its not true.
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    If you know the other party will be blamed for a failed vote, then politically, you make sure that the vote will fail. Obama has played this one very well. In 2 years I expect the GOP to lose the house. Right now its the fiscal cliff, next it will be immigration, environment, etc... If you hire politicians, don't expect them to sacrifice for the good of the country.
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    @DerivePI We should do away with the idea we hire them and go back to it being a service to the Country. If they thought of it as a post instead of a career, things might actually change.
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    @DerivePI No, hence my comment. Orrin Hatch once jokingly referred to his Political Career in a speech. I didn't find it very funny, hence my post above.
    The Founding Fathers felt it was an honorable service. That has long since gone away.
    With Lobbyists and no term limits, these guys are encouraged to stay there and do as little as possible. It's infuriating.
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    The roll call vote for the Budget Control Act of 2011: Passed, 218 to 210... completely along partisan lines... This is, for all purposes, a perfect split... but it did pass... It's now the law, members of congress... deal with it and make it work... or did you just waste the People's time in an era of serious financial problems (mostly caused by your past budgetary failures)... You hold the purse. Now act like real statesmen and take responsibility for your actions and make this work. Or will we have to spend another 2 to 4 years trying to repeal laws that you passed in your previous term by some knee jerk partisan reactionary behavior? How is that getting us anywhere??? Two words describe today's congress: ARRESTED DEVELOPMENT
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    We don't have to be friends but we DO have to get along, look at the partisan cesspool the country has become and the gridlock that results from it.
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    If the Fiscal Cliff happens, I blame BOTH sides of CONgress for putting their own interests above that of the Peoples. Dems and GOP BOTH will get blame from me.
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    And I'm sure that number will be even higher after the Liberal Mainstream Media echo chamber spreads this poll around.

    But that's beside the point. What happens when this deal falls apart and we're left with another one or two year extension that allows the our government to base future budgeting and any "spending cuts" on the Ginormous 2009 Obama-Reid-Pelosi Baseline Budget?

    What happens when the sticking point of any deal is centered on the Left's unwillingness to budge on any entitlement reforms?

    What happens when Obama waltzes in at the last moment to toss a poison pill into the mix like he did in 2011?

    Will the media call the Left on their sliminess or will they call the republicans racist and sexist?
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    Yes I do...and it will be there fault bc they want to cut taxes adding to the debt while boosting spending can anyone tell me how that will pay of debt bc I don't understand republicains math
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    No, mainstream media will blame the GOP as they always do but higher taxes is not the answer, you keep feeding the monster( goverment ) and it will keep eatting, goverment has to quit demanding more and more of our wages!
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    More and more of our wages? Are you absolutely insane? We've never paid LESS taxes. My god, talk about a feeling of entitlement, govt provides services and those services cost money,'starving the beast' is not the answer and hasn't been for the 30 years the GOP has used it as an excuse. Here's what happens:

    GOP gains control and passes MASSIVE spending and tax cuts to increase the debt (Reagan)
    The democrats then gain control and the GOP says "look at all this debt, we need to starve the beast" (Clinton)
    GOP gains control and passes MASSIVE spending and tax cuts to increase the debt (Bush)
    The democrats then gain control and the GOP says "look at all this debt, we need to starve the beast" (Obama)

    Only a fool can't catch on to this game.
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    @AceLuby
    Under Bush the debt was raised 4.9 trillion in 8 years, under Obama it has been raised 5.3 trillion in only 3.5 years! Nice try!
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    @Ashstop Bushes yearly deficit increased 600 billion dollars in 4 years. Obama's has increased it 700 billion dollars in the same time frame. You're trying to blame Obama for Bushes and the GOP's spending spree while also trying to blame him for the lack of funds due to Bushes and the GOP's recession. Nice try!
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    @AceLuby
    Omg!! Blame it on Bush!! Reagan never pointed his finger at Carter and blamed him for everything under the sun! No, he went to work and changed things!! OBAMA ADKED FOR THE JOB! He acts like he was chilling out in his apartment and was thrust into fixing things!! Hope and Change? It's been over 4 years, it's time he owned up to his on failures!
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    @Ashstop You obviously weren't around in 1984 when Reagan's entire campaign was still blaming Carter... gotta love ignorance though.

    Most of the debt from the last 4 years is CONTINUED spending from Bush and the GOP from 2000-2006 along with the lost revenue from the Bush and GOP recession. If you guys were actually concerned about this and it wasn't simply politics you would have nominated someone other than Bush in 2004 and talked about his runaway spending at the time. It didn't happen and followed the EXACT plan I posted.
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    If the GOP does not agree to a tax on the rich, they will be forever blamed for all future deficits by the democrats and the media. Obama has a large percentage of Americans convinced that the reason for the annual trillion dollar deficits is because of the tax cuts. I strongly disagree, but the average American today is not the sharpest tool in the shed and believes it only because it has been said so many times in the last 4 years. Let Obama have his tax increase on the rich. Then when it does not lessen the annual deficit or increase revenues, then the GOP has some ammunition and they then can continually bring up his failed policies in future elections. It is worth the price. Oh but you GOP supporters say "But that is not conservative" and to that I agree. But then neither was adding new entitlements and expanding the government and the GOP supported those policies. Election have consequences, let Obama get his way on this, perhaps Obama will agree to the pipeline in exchange. But if the GOP does not accept a tax increase on the top earners, they will forever be viewed as the party that protects the very wealthy. And besides many many wealthy vote democrat.
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    Right now Republicans are arguing to maintain their right to block any debates in the Senate with endless filibusters. Maybe that has something to do with Republicans getting more blame for stonewalling progress on budget talks.
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    Right....and George Bush is responsible for Obama tripling the national debt in 8 years. And in 2016 we will hear that the sorry state of the US economy at that time is all the fault of George Bush, and the Democrats need just another 8 years and another tripling of the debt and everything will be fine. Keep telling yourself that.
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    @woodtick57 Shhh. Don't talk reality or fact around these parts boy. They don't take kindly to that.
    You are 100% accurate. If he'd have tripled the debt it would be at around 31.5? It's sitting at around 16 trillion now, so yah. Math isn't everyone's best subject.
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    Morons. I am talking about when Obama has been in office for 4 more years. Remember? You asked for 8 years of this. He has already taken the debt from $10T to $17T. Obama even takes credit for $4T of additions to the debt under his watch, then saying it really is all Bush's fault. I predict by the time we have a chance to get rid of this idiot, he will add another $7T, for a total debt of $24T. And I think I am being kind, it may be worse than that. And yes, he will blame it on George Bush. So...in 8 years (it will be 2016 for the date challenged), when he is up for reelection again (yes, he will try), we will be near triple where we started. But it is okay, because it isn't his fault. The devil made him do it.
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    If the Democrats offer real cuts that are ignored by the Republicans I will blame Republicans for breaking the deal. But, as it seems now, the Democrats are offering absolutely no compromise while the Republicans are offering an actual plan that compromises.
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    Well, if we're going to get blamed for going over the cliff and will get none of the credit if we don't, why bother giving in? Hold fast to what you believe, go over that cliff, and prove you're right.
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    Now that is certainly not the american way. pick your side and parrot the talking points like a good partisan! The facts and reason be damned!
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    @woodtick57 am I the only one who finds it a coincidence that the Republican gridlock in D.C. began with the banning of earmarks? How ironic is that.
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    I encourage the GOP to obstruct and try to block everything they can. Let them push the economy off the fiscal cliff by not working with the dems. The American public has caught on to their actions and will punish them in 2014 and beyond. As their favorite senile movie star says "Go ahead...make my day."
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    Yes they will be and should be. The Democrats should share the blame. Why can't they do their jobs, commit political suicide, and act in the best interest of the country?
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