In the past Warren has taken heat from liberals for his opposition to gay marriage, especially after he was invited to speak at Obama's inauguration. Warren campaigned in favor of California's proposition 8, and once compared same-sex marriage to the marriage of siblings - a statement that he later retracted.
On Wednesday night's Piers Morgan Show Warren took a less sympathetic stand on homosexuality, "comparing being gay to taking arsenic and punching someone in the nose," Mediaite reports.
Rev Warren's work with AIDS in Africa and his current evaluation of the role churches play in anti-gay attitudes are pretty much right on. But on almost all other issues he's like that Shakespearean couplet: "Shall I compare thee to a Summer's Eve, for thou art a douche."
The current definition of marriage is not a "civil right", it is a federally governed institution defined as one man and one woman. And for the protection of children also excludes kin and multiple parents. To recognize same gender couples it would remove procreation as a defining concept of marriage.
@hwyangel I will argue that procreation is not a requirement for marriage. If it was, there would be a rather large number of single post-menopausal women in America (besides Ann Coulter and Lindsay Graham :-) )
This is where the liberals and I part company. This nation does not reduce the legal rights of the mentally ill and I think homosexuals should have the same rights as any other mentally ill person. But I do think they genetically have some wires crossed. ..
@Zazziness Well psychiatrists are well known as the highest rate of suicide and disturbed people in society themselves. You can say what you want. I myself suffer from attention disorder. Having genetic disorders are commonly denied by those who suffer from them. I don't discriminate against downs syndrome people and I don't discriminate against gays. We all have our crosses to bear and while homosexuality may not be classified a mental illness I do believe it to be a mental disorder.
@jessejaymes It wasn't denied as an illness just by the people who are homosexual. It was denied by the professionals who catalog and diagnose mental illnesses. It's not sick to be a homosexual any more than it is sick to be left-handed. It's just different.
Oh, no. It's not against Christianity. My church marries same-sex couples as do many others. People are just a little tired of fundamentalist Bible-literalists trying to run a free nation like the U.S. as if it was a theocracy like Iran.
@Zazziness - The U.S. doesn't have much in common with Iran. Your analogy is ill fated. People in this country are very free to be gay. I just hate how broadcasters from CNN try to frame it as the reason people don't like homosexuality is because of biased churches. Uhh, no!
@Zazziness - So how come in non-Christian nations people still dislike homosexuality? Here, you can be gay and open about it and it may be the reason many millions of people love you (Rupaul?). In some countries though, you'd get the death penalty. Not so here in the U.S. I reject your comparing our once great nation to such a barbaric nation. And it is not the fault of faithful Christians that some people may not like homosexuals.
True statement. It's perfectly natural to be selfish, lash out when we are angry, and to overindulge. But with a little self control we can learn to make conscience choices rather being enslaved by our thoughts and desires.
If you want to blame God for his feelings about Homosexuality, you can tell him if you see him someday. Until then, get off Christians who follow their faith. If you don't like what the Bible says, go find some religion where anything goes. Quit bashing our Christian Church for our beliefs. Quit trying to twist the Bible to your politically correct way of thinking. It amazes me the insecurities of Liberals. They can't even stand it when other's faiths do not agree with them. They are so arrogant to even try to control God, and force him to think as they do. In the mean time, I did pass Biology class, and guess what? Our bodies were not meant to be with the same sex. What you do is your business. What my faith stands for is my business and get out of it!
But the problem is Christians don't just follow their faith, the work to impose it on others. Christian beliefs are absurd, but they should be free to follow them, as long as they don't try to force others to.
@Jet_Silverman You are so brainwashed. Christians fight to keep gays and Liberals from transforming our faith. Did you know Gays sued the church to force them to allow Gay Sunday school teachers? That is like the Black caucus being forced to hire Ku Klux Klan members. Can you grasp why the church fights against the activist Gays and the Liberal agendas? Stay out of our church and start your own if you don't like what the Bible says.
The one comment quoted from Reddit covers my answer just fine , "Is the sky blue or is water wet." Holding an anti-gay view bedasue of religious views is one thing, but when it is harped upon and money wasted on and jammed into the political conversation, the loudmouths of Christian Righteousness have definitely been counterproductive to attitudes on both sides. The intense campaign against homosexuality from the Religious Right is what turned my into a gay rights supporter.
How do you mean by "anti-gay"? I understand that some people go to extremes to be judgemental and promote social inequality, but there are some of us who legitimately believe that gays are just sinners like everyone else, and deserve love and forgiveness like everyone else. The problem is that anyone who simply believes in the concept of sin (including homosexuality) gets lumped in with the bigots and idiots who think their divine mission is to oppress gays, stoners, and any subgroup they don't understand.
I agree people have the right to make their own decisions, but I maintain my right to believe that we are not helpless and we choose who we have sex with. Political correctness and maturity are two different things.
Rick Warren said, "You know, Jesus taught, as a Christian, I am not allowed to hate anybody. I’m not allowed to do that. In fact, I am commanded by Jesus Christ to love everyone, to show respect to everyone. There’s a difference between acceptance and approval. God accepts me, accepts you unconditionally. He doesn’t approve of everything we do." ---
And the liberal press says, "Rick Warren Admits What Poll Shows: Churches Have Responsibility For Anti-Gay Hate" ---
When asked about the possibility of some churches having negative attitudes, Rick Warren says "Probably, yeah. In fact, there are some people who are extremely violent or hateful. And hate is never of God, never." ---
So the liberal press drops the 'some' and replaces 'negative attitudes' with 'hate.' Never mind the actual message shared by Warren.---
@DerivePI You are absolutely correct. I wish people on both sides of any issue could seperate themselves from their own bias and resentful feelings, and work on peaceful solutions to our social divides.
I do believe that SOME churches contribute to anti-gay attitudes. How can anyone truely deny that when churches pay for their members to interrupt funerals of fallen soldiers in protest of the human rights given to homosexuals. I attend church and do not refute that the Bible calls it an abomination (okay sin) but I have never seen mass demonstrations by churches against people who lie on their taxes. Also a sin. How about child molesters or rapists - nope no public outcries to those sins by churches either. I think this was a brave and CHRISTIAN thing Warren did that might even lead to introspection from those churches who behave in a manner that defiles the belief in God they claim to hold dear.
Here is what just irritates me to death about both sides in this particular debate. Gays are not going to stop being gays just because religious people don't like them. And some churches are never going to accept gays. Why don't all of you just leave each other alone and stop trying force the other to bow down to you?
it is not the church to blame for people just admitting that being gay is sick and twisted, it completely goes against human nature. We are wired to live, hunt, breed and die. No where are we wired to stuff sauseege.
how is a certain percentage of the human species being gay, since thhe beinning of mankind (or at least since recorded history so one can assume the rest...)against uman nature? Seems like it absolutely as to be PART of uman nature, by definition.
I'm guessing that you have never lived on a ranch or a farm. Humans are not the only animals that have same sex copulation. But then religious fundamentalists generally don't believe that humans are animals akin to other life forms on earth. They like the flattering view that humanity is the most important and unique thing in the universe. Wonder what you will all say when NASA finally releases the discovery of life on Mars?
I see this as becoming a trend among pastors. Notice this week that Pat Robertson also commented on how the Earth is not 6000 years old.(Kinda funny that when Pat Robertson says something sane, it makes the news) The older fundamentalists are dying off and younger people are not buying what the church is selling anymore. Studies by the Barna Group (research arm of the Southern Baptist Association) say that 6 in 10 teens will leave the church and not return. Many cite politics, anti science, the church being unwelcoming to diversity and judgmental leaders as the reason that they do not attend church. http://www.christianitytoday.com/le/2012/wint...
I have a christian friend who has a gay son. I've known him since he was three...I have four sons and remember when this boy and my youngest son would play together. My older sons would always say they thought he was gay. I shrugged it off thinking that they couldn't tell at that age...they were right. He is gay and tormented, as he feels he can not live his life as he feels he should. He 's had seven DUI's , or OVI's , depending on where you live. He's attempted suicide twice, and he is just lost...I feel bad for him, as I still remember that three year old. My son who played with him at three til six, and will be getting married in May, said, "I think they are born that way". I don't know..I rarely , if ever post on this issue , as I am not sure. But I do know that all people deserve love, and when it is time for them to be judged, I will not be there, as I am no ones judge and have my own sins to deal with. So...I will simply say," We will most probably never understand those we are closest to, but we can love them, we can love completely , without complete understanding".( A quote from the movie, "A River Runs Through It".)