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SCHOOL SHOOTING

This Semi-Automatic Rifle Killed Most at Sandy Hook School

Medical Examiner reveals that most were shot multiple times

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by Mary Noble

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After some confused reporting of the weapons that were used in the tragic shooting, it's been confirmed that Adam Lanza used a Bushmaster .223 semi-automatic rifle, pictured above, to kill 20 children and 6 adults at Sandy Hook school.

The Bushmaster is one model of the AR-15, which the NRA has campaigned to keep legal. The rifle shoots bullets at about 3,000 feet per second, and once they enter the target, "they explode throughout the tissue," according to WaPo.

Medical Examiner Wayne Carver, who performed some of the autopsies, explained that all of the children killed had been "hit more than once" and received a "very devastating set of injuries."

Because of those devastating wounds, only three children survived. The hospital in Danbury, CT readied itself for mass casualties when news of the shooting broke, but only three patients arrived.

The guns recovered at the scene by police included a Glock handgun and a Sig Sauer handgun, as well as the Bushmaster rifle. All of the guns were registered to one of Lanza's family members, reportedly his mother, who was also killed.

Via ABC News, CBS, and the Huffington Post.
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  • John_Matrix
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    Probably because you do see them on the battlefield. Right along side next to bolt action rifles, handguns, shotguns, etc. No matter how you try to demonize guns they're still simply just machines controlled by.... PEOPLE. I know lots of people with assault rifles, including myself, but somehow we manage to curb the urge to go gun people down at random.
  • CaryNickel
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    The fact is, no matter what the gun "looks" like, it still only fires one shot per trigger pull, the same as any SEMI- auto rifle, pistol, or shotgun. And there are already millions of them out there in the hands of law abiding citizens. Take any gun and put a bunch of black military-looking plastic on it and it will look "mean". It has absolutely nothing to do with the functionality of the firearm. The fact is, the reason this murderous nut was able to kill so many people is because he did not meet ONE BIT of armed resistance. Schools have been made "gun free" zones, thus no "law abiding" citizen can carry a firearm there. But murderers are not, by definition, "law abiding citizens"..so what do they care about "gun free" zones, other than knowing no one will shoot back? The fact is, police rarely are in the "right place at the right time", they don't protect people as much as they investigate later. An armed adult at the school, trained in the handling of a firearms, might have stopped the killing in Sandy Hook. Better yet, let people KNOW that school employees are likely armed, rather than sitting ducks, and the crazies will quit choosing schools as easy targets.

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  • Speedieg
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    These types of guns are no more dangerous than any others. It's the shooter not the gun. The problem is the lack of parenting and lack of discipline. Kids are not connected with the real world. For those who wish to remove guns from our society I urge you to watch Red Dawn.
  • Dan_Tien
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    If you want me to watch a fictionalized movie about the invasion and conquest of America by Cuba in order to better understand the consequences of gun control then I urge you to watch "Horse Feathers".
  • Speedieg
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    @Dan_Tien before we take guns from responsible owners we should examine who these shooters are and what drives them. Almost all have been disaffected youth not responsible gun owners. As a society we never address the underlying causes we always seek control over cure. This has never worked. It has not worked for drugs, or any other problems in our society. If you think stopping the sale of guns will end violence in our country you are wrong. You can not compare our society to any other society on Earth. It's not the same. We are not civilized and we are a nation divided. We don't even have equality for all our citizens. Our politicians and police are corrupt. They are not prepared to protect us. In my neighborhood if your house is broken into the police don't even come. They tell you to file a report over the internet. They are too busy rousting gay bars and illegal gambling halls to protect the public.
  • stepped_in_it
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    "For those who wish to remove guns from our society I urge you to watch Red Dawn." >>>And there in lies the problems with society (or maybe younger society). It's a fictional movie. I know it. Many older know it. Many "younger" do not know it.(KNOW I WILL HEAR FROM THAT STATEMENT). They seem to also believe in the "zombie" Apocalypse. And Freddy, Jason....etc. Gaming doesn't help much either! It's fictional...understand. Try something else.....please.

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  • DogLady_1
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    What do you use your AR's for? What do you shoot at? Just curious. I am pro 2nd amendment all the way, but have no idea what people would use such a rifle for...
  • srs606791163
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    Yea, and they use guns and ammo like that to do it. These children were gunned down, and gun nuts are still defending these weapons. When Benghazi attacks happened we heard about the victims for months from Republicans, because they thought it was beneficial to their politics. Now 20 children executed in America, and there seems to be more concern over defending the guns than there is mourning the victims. You have no reason to own a weapon like that. The American public is quickly coming to that conclusion. If they implement an assault weapons ban will you comply, or choose to be a criminal?
  • Troshie
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    @DogLady_1 They are fun to shoot and ammo is dirt cheap. A lot of people use them just to go to the range and shoot. There's no harm in that. However, they are also incredibly common predator and hog hunting rifles. They tend to be shorter, which lends it to the thick brush and night hunting. Adjustable stocks are an ergonomic feature, same with pistol grips. They exists elsewhere on non-"assault" hunting guns. Especially turkey shotguns which requires you to hold the weapon at aim for extended periods (turkeys have incredibly keen eyesight and any movement has them fleeing.) The color black isn't the most practical color for hunting, but I don't think that makes the weapon deadlier. They come in hunting camo though.

    You have to remember, many military guns have found their way into hunting. Muskets were made to kill people first, but then used for hunting. Rifles, shotguns, handguns, all the same. Bullpups are becoming very popular in the military now, and you are also starting to see them in the hands of hunters. It's the natural progression.
  • DogLady_1
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    @Troshie - Thanks for the info. I enjoy shooting, but I was raised with the notion that practice at the range improves your odds of killing supper. I can see where the AR's are useful for larger prey... I hope you also follow my dad's axiom: "If you kill it, you eat it."

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  • Zorba
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    Guns aren't the problem. Fifty years ago when we had to gun laws these things weren't happening. The problem is this country. If is sick and broken. Gay marriages, abortion, the Internet, social media. The USA has lost it's values!!!!
    Hey, let's make drugs illegal and get them off the streets???!!!
  • billyleewoods
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    I agree.. If someone snaps and wants to kill people .. they will find a way. I imagine that back in the cave man days there were many killed by a rock to the head..lol
  • ctc
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    Gee, who would have thought....we raise our kids with violent games, mind altering drugs, and provide for easy access to assault rifles......then ask why??
  • CATTLEPROD
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    We also for the most part raise them without fathers, hence the need for drugs to calm down little billy, then the "total transformation system" when little billy starts calling mom ugly names. I havnt been watching the 24/7 coverage of this, the media WHOREd have descended on conneticut, giving us up to the minute pictures of peoples grief, adding to it, but have you heard, where was this kids dad in all this? Was he on ritalin or something like I suspect?
  • Dan_Tien
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    I would like to know if the shooter was medicating. I suspect that another common denominator among spree shooters is a history of substance abuse, besides the similarity in weapons they use to kill people. It takes more than the availability of a weapon to create the intent to kill.
  • Thunderchicken
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    In a recent article I read, it referenced that most of these shooters embraced "alternate lifestyles". Without going into the meaning of alternate, I have to think the shooters showed signs of being somewhat mentally unbalanced before they went on their rampages.
  • PoliticalSpice
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    The article is inaccurate, it said the gun makes the bullets explode. That is untrue, it is a type of ammo used that determines this. Self medicating, medicating by perscription, mentally unbalanced, these are all factors. The fact in this case is these were legally possessed weapons kept by an owner who irresponsibly kept them in her home knowing her mentally unbalanced son, who had been denied a gun permit could access then. Perhaps we need laws to prevent stupid people from owning guns.
  • Clarke12
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    just like the KC Chiefs shooting 2 weeks ago - let's hope there is some serious investigation into the cause, whether it be mental illness, a relationship issue, etc.
  • PuroChorizo361
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    @marine1 Yeah yeah guns don't kill ppl, ppl kill ppl. If the nut didn't have the gun they wouldn't be able to kill someone so easily. Even your so called "Normal" ppl are idiots when they have a gun in their hand. Threatening to shoot someone is not normal at all in any situation. If you think it is its time for a mental evaluation!
  • OHMYGOSH
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    @PuroChorizo361 - Question for you - What is it that's murdering people? Personally, I've NEVER seen any "inanimate" object,(and yes, a gun, a rock, a 2X4, a baseball bat or a knife are all inanimate objects) murder anyone without the initiative of a human being exerting their force over the object. So please tell me PuroChorizo361, have you ever seen or heard of of these "things" spontaniously murdering someone without any of the aforementioned human intervention? Your answer has to be "no" because these things cannot move or act on their own accord.

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  • FFX_VA
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    He stole the weapons, so making them tougher for him to buy would not have prevented this. Focus on why his mind broke and how we could have prevented this, that's the real issue. I know it's a harder problem to solve than attacking guns,; I guess guns are just an easier target to get a therapeutic sense of action taken.

    Until we address this guy's issues (whatever they were) and others like him this will continue to happen.
  • Dan_Tien
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    I think that it is reasonable to require owners of weapons like this to own and use gun safes. It has been my practice to keep guns of all types in a locked gun safe to prevent them from being stolen. The life you save may be your own.
  • FFX_VA
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    @Dan_Tien I agree with locking them away if you won't need to use them as a best safety practice. Not sure how that would be enforced.

    The solution won't be just one action though, it needs to be addressed on multiple levels, the right to have personal security being one of them. Public security another. They say healthcare is a right, security is more of a right than healthcare is. A single trained, qualified, and empowered staff member could have prevented this from being as bad as it was.

    I have a lot of respect for Dawn Hochsprung the principal who unarmed, tried to stop this man. That took guts. Even a tazer could have stopped him and I bet she would have used it. This whole thing is still shocking to me, I guess I expect it from a twisted Taliban mind, but not middle class America... I really feel for the families, and wonder why as a nation we've gotten to this place.
  • UnCommonBoston
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    Firearms are not the problem, their owners are. We need to teach people commonsense safety. Drivers certainly could use a more of this -- or it is just Boston?

    Seriously, who allows someone struggling with mental illness access to weapons? I think people who want a firearms should have them. But a stricter licensing procedure that stresses gun safety might make a difference.

    Yes, anyone who really wants a weapon can get one if they look hard enough, but lets not make it too easy. Below are some gun statistics

    Injury Facts from the National Safety Council :
    In 1999, 3,385 children ages 0-19 years were killed with a gun.
    214 unintentional
    1,078 suicides
    1,990 homicides
    83 for which the intent could not be determined
    20 due to legal intervention

    Of the total firearms-related deaths:
    73 were of children under five years old
    416 were children 5-14 years old
    2,896 were 15-19 years old
  • Dan_Tien
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    @FFX_VA Enforcement is the problem. It is nearly impossible to force people to do the right thing. I have been avoiding the onslaught of news about the shooting, so I had not heard about the principal. I respect that too. Never give up.
  • UnCommonBoston
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    @FFX_VA
    1st problem: someone struggling with mental illness had easy access to firearms.
    2nd problem: the shooter broke into a classroom through a window. Does anyone know if those windows with the wire mesh inside are more difficult to break? Is it prohibitively expensive to have windows that are more difficult to break.
    3rd problem: If classrooms had doors that lock from the inside, a shooter would not be able to access children in other classrooms.(not sure if this was a factor)

    Another question, say you are teaching a class, you have a weapon in a locked drawer or somewhere the children could not easily access. A shooter enters the room and starts rapidly firing. Would a weapon in the classroom make a difference?

    Do we really want our teachers to carry at all times?

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  • CanisCanemEdit
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    There is a post floating around attributed to Morgan Freeman.

    It may be or may not be, but it fit's my sentiment to a tee:

    "You want to know why. This may sound cynical, but here's why.


    It's because of the way the media reports it.

    Flip on the news and watch how we treat the Batman theater shooter and the Oregon mall shooter like celebrities.

    Dylan Klebold and Eric Harris are household names, but do you know the name of a single *victim* of Columbine?

    Disturbed people who would otherwise just off themselves in their basements see the news and want to top it by doing something worse, and going out in a memorable way.

    Why a grade school? Why children? Because he'll be remembered as a horrible monster, instead of a sad nobody.

    CNN's article says that if the body count "holds up", this will rank as the second deadliest shooting behind Virginia Tech, as if statistics somehow make one shooting worse than another.

    Then they post a video interview of third-graders for all the details of what they saw and heard while the shootings were happening.

    Fox News has plastered the killer's face on all their reports for hours.

    Any articles or news stories yet that focus on the victims and ignore the killer's identity? None that I've seen yet.

    Because they don't sell.

    So congratulations, sensationalist media, you've just lit the fire for someone to top this and knock off a day care center or a maternity ward next.

    You can help by forgetting you ever read this man's name, and remembering the name of at least one victim. You can help by donating to mental health research instead of pointing to gun control as the problem. You can help by turning off the news."

    I don't give a flying damn who said this...but it's true.

    God bless those little children, and help the parents and loved ones in this dark hour.
  • woodtick57
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    The media just reports what sells. it is the culture of our nation that makes these tragedies top stories and makes people think they can solve their problems witha gun.
  • CanisCanemEdit
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    @woodtick57 -

    A fire-arm has one function: to project metal in a straight line at high speed.

    It is a tool like any other and totally dependent upon the operator.
  • CanisCanemEdit
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    @woodtick57 - It still comes down to the person operating it.

    You are probably right about the culture, though.

    Here we have an entire generation of kids killing boogeymen on the computer and television without ever understanding what death really is.

    No reset button in real life, kids.
  • seedtick
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    This rifle is not the problem. It is not an "assault rifle." It is an "assault-style" rifle. It is not automatic but, as stated above, it is semi-automatic. It is an inanimate object that will remain whereever it is put until someone picks it up and uses it. The problem, in my opinion, is the clips allowed in these weapons. No one has any reason to use 20 round clips, period, no questions asked. That is stupid. There should be a limit on the number of rounds of ammunition that can bought at any one time and a limit as to how many rounds can be loaded into a firearm at any time.
  • stepped_in_it
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    Here here! The very first thing I thought when I saw the picture. The weapon....no problem. But, can an owner of these type of weapons please tell me the "need" for a 30 round clip (besides "it's fun"). Please don't tell me for hunting because if you are that bad of a shot, then you need to put it down and back away!
  • CanisCanemEdit
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    @stepped_in_it -

    1. All firearms that fire as quickly as you can repeatedly pull the trigger are "semi automatic". This extends to multi round hunting rifles as well as hand-guns. Technically, a two round, single lever derringer is "semi-automatic".

    IMO - The term "semi automatic" is over used in the media to sound ominous.

    2. Not all firearms that are listed as "semi automatic" can be modified to full automatic.

    3. Most military style semi automatic rifles are sold to veterans or prior service who are comfortable with the style and handling. They are always sold with 10/20/30 round clips because those are the clips made for the fire-arm.

    4. Hunting? Only once have used a semi-automatice military style weapon in the pursuit of game. We had bobcats attacking the cattle on my cousins place near Hutchinson. I loaded up 20 rounds and went out with him. Use the right fire-arm for the situation. In that situation, big cats move quickly and run in a straight line in open fields. You don't have time to reload and must lead the target with multiple rounds watching not only your sight but the ground bursts to effectively hit the target.

    5. For target practice it is convenient not to stop and reload.

    6. I enjoy practicing with all my weapons, not for "fun", but it makes me happy to know that I, my wife, my children and grand children are proficient in the use of these tools.

    7. I would question the legitimacy of need for any city-dwelling civillian to own military style weapons that hold 10/20/30 rounds.
  • stepped_in_it
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    @CanisCanemEdit Ok, I already understand the "semi-auto" features of firearms (have and had a few myself). Double action versus single action. And also understand not all semis can be made into full auto (a semi auto pistol is a prime example). But the size of the clips bother me. Maybe 20-30+ round clips need to be also registered and can only be bought if the need can be shown (your example of the "ranch" is a good one). A "city" dweller does not have that problem (unless their "hunting" the elusive, fast running, dodging human being....joke) and should not be able to buy them. Still hard to control though. And, with a 6 shot revolver and some "quick loads", could still do major damage. "Dirty Harry" I'm not, but, the answer to this problem is a tough one....but elimination of guns is not the answer (as the want far exceeds the "nonavailability" of guns)
  • CanisCanemEdit
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    @stepped_in_it - I am all in favor of licensing and registering, unlike some of the paranoids I know that insist the government will round us up.

    IMO - We have raised a generation of children who also raise children. These kids are used to Reset, Rewind and Redo. They have no real concept of what "death" is.

    On the farm, we raise and eat our animals. We rarely give one a name because we were brought up not to play with our food.

    My youngest grandson (4 1/2) has been to the butcher barn and understands that what walks around the pasture and pen winds up on his plate.

    The cycle of life, as it were.

    However, city kids grow up with X-cubes and Nintendo machines and in their minds they are "killing" zombies and boogymen and humans...and when they run out of things to "kill" with a little palm sized controller, they hit the reset and start again.

    I don\t know what the answer is...but I think it starts at home with Mom and Dad.
  • seedtick
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    @CanisCanemEdit Look, I understand semi-auto and auto. As a Marine vet and having hunted all my life I consider myself fairly knowledgable about firearms...but, I am no expert. And, make no mistake, if I have to I will shoot the ass off of anyone who decides to harm me, my family, or my property. All my firearms are legal and I follow the laws of the land as best I know how. And, people who "push the limits" with firearms do make me nervous because they threaten the rights of all of us.
    I have killed three bobcats in my lifetime...one with an old Winchester model 97 pump, and the other two while on a deer stand, one shot, one kill. I have one stalking rabbits and creeping around the bird feeders at my rural home now and, if the opportunity arises, I will pop him with a .22. I also shoot cayotes with a .22...when you see them in the East Texas woods they are usually close, unless in a pasture. I choose a Browning A-bolt 25-06 for deer hunting.
    Now, all of the above are my choices and mine alone...what another shooter uses does not bother me as long as it is legal. However, large clips are of no added value for any hunting as far as I am concerned. They are meant to "outshoot" someone else who is shooting at you...and it looks like some use them to help them kill more people faster.

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  • Ashstop
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    The gun was stolen, does anybody really think a thief with murder on his mind is going baulk because he can't buy a gun at walmarts!!!?
    Hey, terrorist can't buy commercial 747's either! Does that mean we can stop security at airports? No way a terrorist could get a plane! It's illegal!! The planes didnt kill at 911, the gun didnt kill hear, it was used, if he'd ran his moms car into the school and killed those innocent children and adults would we be showing the make and model of the car and trying to take away the rights to own one?
    It's time we started blaming the person!! Not cause they had a bad morning, supper disagreed with him, had a bad hair day, whatever!! The sicko was an evil murderer!!! Period!!!
  • stepped_in_it
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    I voted you up because it wasn't the "object", it was the idiot!
    But, as for the plane thing, with enough money and the advent of foreign airlines going out of business, buying a used 747 could be easier. But, flying that 747 into American airspace without notice would be difficult. Besides, security at airports are to "just" make us feel safer. Another one of those "if they want it done, it will eventually get done", as they only have time and want on their hands.
  • PoliticalSpice
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    Well some blame should be assigned to the mom, who kept these guns accessable, knowing her mentally unbalanced son, who had been denied a gun permit, could get at them. 20 kids are dead. Why? Maybe if he'd shot the mom at home none of this would have happened.
  • PoliticalSpice
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    @woodtick57 not prepared enough. Her preparation should have included wearing kevlar clothing and having a gun safe to which only she had the key. But you know how these gun nuts are...they need to take the gun now by prying it from her cold dead fingers...
  • Ashstop
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    @stepped_in_it
    I was just pointing out that the planes didnt kill at 911, I guess I needed to clarify that, like you said, objects can't be blamed for how idiots use them!

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  • Thunderchicken
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    I know almost nothing about .223 ammunition but this puzzles me. "The rifle shoots bullets at about 3,000 feet per second, and once they enter the target, "they explode throughout the tissue," I know about hollow points and frangible bullets but I've never run across a bullet with an explosive charge. I expect they exist but I'll bet I'll also bet it's not something available outside of law enforcement. Also the 3000 fps makes me wonder. I'm guessing that has to be a very light bullet.
  • Dan_Tien
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    I have heard that bullets fired from M-16s begin tumbling end over end after a relatively short distance, giving them extra shock power but shorter overall range. Not sure if that is the same with AR-15s. If so, it would make them unsatisfactory as hunting rifles, in my opinion. My cousin used to buy military grade full metal jacket .223 cartridges in bulk. He put a hole clean through a caterpiller blade with one once (dumb, I know). Maybe the shooter in Connecticut used hollow points.
  • Troshie
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    There are bullets with explosive charges. Look up incendiary rounds. But "explode throughout the tissue" is rhetoric to make the .223 sound more evil than a hunting load.(Although .223 is a very common hunting load for coyote and hogs now.) I'm sure whatever he used was a regular bullet. Full metal jacket, hollow point, soft point, who knows. But it was not incendiary.
  • Thunderchicken
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    @Dan_Tien

    Actually I found an article that referenced .223 bullets carrying an explosive charge. But it didn't give any details. I know frangible bullets are sometimes referred to as explosive.
  • Troshie
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    @Dan_Tien FMJs will tumble after they hit something hard. Typically human flesh does not cause the tumbling until it hits bone. FMJ is required by the hague convention to not cause excessive damage in a human target. But FMJ can be designed to be just as destructive. Like you said, the tumbling effective. Some bullets also yaw instead of punching a nice clean, straight hole.

    FMJ is an effective hunting round for fur takers. As mentioned, it makes a clean hole and doesn't have the excessive blow out in the exit wound as a hollowpoint would.
  • Thunderchicken
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    @Troshie

    Thanks. I hadn't used incendiary in my searches. I know .223s are popular for medium sized pest control. Some of the ranchers I know in the southwest carry them. Given what I've heard about wild hogs, a high capacity magazine would be a big plus in dealing with them.(I hear the they're becoming a problem in southern MO.)

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  • DARSB
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    One of the more popular arguments against gun control is "guns don't kill people, people kill people," and usually the implicit conclusion is that a determined killer will kill no matter if he has to use a baseball bat.

    Which is true. But with a baseball bat you can't kill someone from 50 feet away in under a tenth of a second without breaking a sweat.
  • Troshie
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    I am pro gun, but you are entirely correct that a gun is a very effective killer. We need responsible gun ownership. If you can afford an $800+ gun, you can afford a $100 safe. I had to pass a hunter safety course and buy a license in order to hunt. Why not the same to own a gun? Just please, no $20 a year just to renew my license. I already spend nearly $100 a year for licenses and tags to hunt. Private sales can be better regulated. Background checks can be more detailed. There are a so many things we can do to help curb gun violence while keeping guns in the hands of law-abiding citizens. Yes, it cannot be prevented, but the rate that it occurs can definitely be decreased.
  • DARSB
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    @CATTLEPROD I don't disagree that a bat can be lethal, but a bat-wielding 20 year old sure would have been easier to subdue by two motivated adults.
  • Dan_Tien
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    If she had been a gun nut who kept her guns in a locked gun safe to which her son did not have access, 28 people would still be alive today.
  • Calfarm
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    @Dan_Tien You have absolutely no proof of this. He could have just as easily went out and bought a couple of them on the streets. It is possible he could have had time to cool down while looking for other weapons, but if he was truly determined, it would not matter. He still would have found a way.

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  • Belin
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    With all the shooting, how did the shooter manage to get that gun back into his Mom's car he stole? They've said all along that they found that gun in the car. I'm wary of banning guns, even guns like that. It's a slippery slope when our government starts banning guns, even that assault rifle could come in handy someday. When/if they ban that gun, they will go on to the next most dangerous gun and so forth... I am a Christian, but through all my Bible study it is not clear when the Christians will be raptured. All God tells us is that he will shorten the days for Christians. We could still be here through the first half of the Tribulation. We may very well need guns like that to protect ourselves. If you've seen a lot of pictures from the Middle East, you see men walking around with those guns strapped over their shoulders. Christians will not be very liked at that time! I know many of you will call me a nutcase, I don't care. Personally, we don't have guns like that; but if the tribulation is as bad as the Bible says I would feel much safer if my husband has one to. We will be considered enemies of the one world government. All the promises before hand will make it sound like a good thing. It won't be!
  • Belin
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    @woodtick57
    Not a member of a sect. We have no idea when the rapture will occur. I'm just a Christian that believes the word of God, The Bible.
  • Jeff_Woehrle
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    I understand the murderer drove to the school. What type of car was it? It think that should be examined as well. Without that car, he would have been unable to get himself and his weapons there. It's high time we have that conversation!
  • its_my_freedom
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    so they report all day long yesterday, by those who were actually there investigating, that the bushmaster was found in the trunk....and now it is said that it was carried in and used and found inside......forgive me for being so confused, but those kind of details are hard to confuse. the bushmaster is not an easily hidden gun...if you are holding or carrying one...it's quite obvious. With the new security measures installed in the week before the shooting (by the principal mind you) one has to show ID before gaining entrance to the school....how could he have have possibly hidden this rifle from them while showing id based on what he was reported on as wearing. if this were true he would not have been given clearance to enter. This "new" story just does not add up. this sounds more like someone is using this tragedy to push their agenda on the people while they are still emotionally vulnerable from the fact that children were slain. my guess is that the person or persons pushing for a ban on automatic and semi automatic rifles were first going to attempt to say that anyone could buy them, then when finding out Connecticut's laws, they had to change to "well it wasnt registered" and when they found out it was indeed purchased legally and registered, but was infact stolen it threw a wrench into their plans...they didnt want to admit their precious gun control laws didnt work. then they find out that he didnt even USE the bushmaster at all, that it was still in his trunk. being unable to use this senseless tragedy to push their agenda they have the story changed, against all evidence gathered by the ones who were actually there, to say he did use this gun, when it wasnt even found in the school....it never made it out of the guys trunk. to dishonor the memories of these children by falsifying information only to push an agenda is gut wrenching at best. this is proof of what is wrong with this country and the reporting media. rather than just be truthful, everything has to be spun for anothers purpose. to the memebers of the media and the one's lobbying for the ban of semi automatics; it's bad enough that these children were slain, dont skew the facts and alter them to suit your own political agendas and the agendas who finance your campaigns. have some decently for once in your lives....there are more important things than ratings
  • its_my_freedom
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    @woodtick57 if that is the case then the issue at hand should not be the ban of semi automatic rifles, but more importantly...how was a gunman able to break into a school? A school that had supposedly upped its safety measures and requiring all visitors to be buzzed in via magnetic door after school hours had begun, but before doing so had to provide identification. did he have super human strength? if he broke in why did he use his brothers id to gain entry causing the confusion as to which brother was the shooter and the other brother being taken in for questioning as to his involvement only to be released and cleared of connection. with multiple agencies on the ground in location reporting the bushmaster was found in the trunk...how did it magically make it's way into the school? where are the casings from this gun? and how many were found? oh, right....they arent reporting that....wonder why...this man (who has been identified to have aspbergers) TRIED to buy a gun 3 days prior at a dicks sporting goods....when denied he stole his mother's guns. a woman with whom he lived that had no ties to the school. it would be safe to assume, as it is reported that she would take her family to the range to shoot their guns, knew a thing or two about her firearms and had them stored properly....as a person who grew up around those guns...it's also safe to assume he knew where they were and how to get to them. This is proof that more laws wont work. back to the point, if he used the bushmaster they would have found multiple casings in that calibur....yet...where are they??? and why was it found in the trunk?
  • woodtick57
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    @its_my_freedom

    Ummm...he shot his way through the glass front doors? Or broke them in some way....it was in all the first reports...the glass frontt was shattered.
  • its_my_freedom
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    @woodtick57 Every report i read and heard never said anything about him having two of those guns. Every report stated that gun was in his trunk. It is only today that they change their story. When investigators all agree that the rifle was in the trunk and the other two handguns were the ones used. These people being the ones who were actually there in person mind you. Then suddenly the next day the gun everyone agrees was found in the trunk was magically teleported to inside the school and used yet no mention of matching calibur casings being found ANYWHERE. Dont you find it odd that the guns used magically changes from hand guns to automatic assault rifles only AFTER the topic of gun control is brought up by the media?

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