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    No. I remember when Mark Williams was booted out of the Tea Party early on for being excessively racist -- and he was a key player in their early days. It was never a party of small shopkeepers. It was always a bunch of angry old white people with more bile than knowledge of government.
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    As opposed to the diehard liberal and conservative social agendas which got us here to begin with? Thanks for proving one of the article's bit points so succinctly. At least that group of angry old white guys tried to do something that wasn't based on religion or white guilt.
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    @Real4WheelDrv Sure it was. Despite the author's claim it started about something else, from the day The Tea Party formed, I saw a whole lot of the Christian theocrats flocking to it. I can agree their motivation had little to do with guilt -- or compassion, for that matter. Far more to do with greed. Not very attractive.
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    you need to try different angle there sport... read what you posted. you claim this guy was a racist in the same sentence you claim he was booted out of the Tea Party. and then you go on to try to say that the Tea Party were a bunch of racists. you see how that doesn't make any sense?
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    @bsking I said he was so bad they booted him out -- for getting them bad publicity. But he was only an example of the type that gravitated to the "movement."
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    It was a good well written article. I don't agree that the Tea Party ever could have gotten Democrats, even some to come around to the idea of government being smaller. and the reason the Tea Party didn't or wasn't as successful as predecessors is largely because the members were not willing to lose their fortunes weather small or large for the cause like the original Tea Party shopkeepers.. when faced with threats from Democrats very high up in government the Tea Party went underground and lost momentum, and who could blame them they were being call racist they're being called terrorists buy some of the highest ranking Democrats in the government ... and most knew what was coming next the full force of the government on the individual which would destroy them personally and professionally.

    the original Tea Party shopkeepers new that and put that all on the line in most of them lost everything they had.

    All in all is good article
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    Government will never get smaller as long as population continues to grow. Live with it.
    I don't necessarily think that 'racist' or 'terrorist' are appropriate terms to describe the tea party members, but maybe 'jihadist'. Willing to go down in flames rather than compromise their ideology.
    You can admire their characters while still knowing that you cannot run a government that way.
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    @bsking Jihad actually means 'struggle'. Lately it has come to mean 'tightly wound fanatic willing to die for his cause'. My usage refers to the more recent meaning.
    I use that term because the tea party principles, such as they are, applied to the nations finances, would result in a fiscal disaster greater than the great depression.
    To pretend otherwise is madness, which also describes much of the tea party movement.
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    @bsking The great depression had multiple causes, but the government actually shrank the money supply, and that tipped it from bad to disastrous.
    that's why certain teabaggers desire to go back on the gold standard is so insane. It would cut the money supply by more than half. It would destroy the worlds' economies.
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    Would of, could of, should of. Total speculation. Tea Party slogans such as "Government keep your hands off my medicare" showed themselves to be ignorant. They were Koch Brothers and corporate dupes, nothing more.
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    The operative phrase: "Unfortunately, the movement was too disorganized to keep social conservatives at a safe distance." Now they are the Tea Party.
    Allowing the Zealots, like Christine O'Donnell, Aiken, Bachmann, Mourdock, et al. to become the spokespersons whom non believers identify as the Tea Party has marginalized the perception of the party to the lunatic fringes.
    They have taken control from the feckless orange tinged HR leadership. Now the GOP rabble in The HR are acting like half wits.
    What bunch of A holes, 57 votes against a totally pork free hurricane aid bill. In typical Tea Party, voting against their own self interests some votes came from Reps from coastal hurricane prone or tornado prone states. These little piglets are the great minds of our time, I think not
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    @martydotcom just remember, she is notca witch. The real stupidity was they vote against not only their interest, but their own goals. bohner had a better deal, they passed on it and taxes are going higher then they would have gone had they shown support for bohners idea. I think calling em half wits gives them too much credit.

    But I'm counting on em to deliver dems to the wh in 2016, cause without help dem campaigns are their own worse enemies (modale, dukuckass, gore, kerry).
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    @PoliticalSpice I think if they're successful in Boehner's stated desire to shut down the Gov. screwing up our credit rating etc. we may only have to await the mid term elections. Pray for Hillary's total recovery for '16
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    An awesome idea highjacked by the establishment republicans just as the occupy movement was hijacked by the liberals. Both groups originally had valid points and committed members but they threatened the existing parties by siphoning away members. What's a big brother to do? Infiltrate and misdirect. Smaller government, fewer handouts, more freedom, less war, a return to the constitution. My goodness these Tea Party people are almost as dangerous as the founding fathers, who by the way would now be on a Dept. Of Homeland Insecurity watch list if they were to return. To dumb, too lazy, too far gone. We may not have gone over the fiscal cliff this week but we passed the point of no return on in November last year.
    One last thing. Painting groups with a large brush is a convenient and effective tactic to keep from debating the individual issues they stand for. Just call 'em Tea Baggers and move on to ignoring and insulting someone else.
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    I agree so long as you stipulate a government as small as practicable, not as small as possible. Truth is, we are losing freedom as we are becoming more crowded.
    The more of us there are, the more rules we need. We could all end up living in Singapore.
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    @harold_lloyd

    "small as practicable"

    Of course. Anything less would be approaching anarchy. I don't want to have to hunt down and kill someone just because they wronged me. Although I can think of a few congress clowns...

    New bumper sticker : Save America, shoot a congress man

    ;-)
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    "I'll always favor small government, fiscal conservationism and personal responsibility. And I'll support politicians that think the same."
    But, you supported Romney who really only spoke out about those very things when it was convenient to do so.
    Small Government - Romney supported Patriot Act when it was brought about, and still did even during his campaign for President 2012. He spoke in support of NDAA 12, the TSA and Homeland Defense.
    Fiscal Conservationism - Only if it meant cutting social programs. He totally supported the outrageous spending of the Defense Budget and said several times not only would he not cut it, he would raise it. Not to mention he wouldn't have gotten rid of several Federal institutions like Dr. Paul would have.
    You say you favor those things, but when the time comes to show it, IE election time, you through your support into the two party system which fights against every one of those things you mentioned. Both parties and anyone that continually votes for them supports Large Government, spending, and Government Intervention.
    Your actions show hypocrisy. Sorry, but its the truth.
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    I disagree with a few points.

    1) While it's true that the Tea Party's ranks swelled with the passage of Cash for Clunkers, Obamacare and other wastes of money spent during President Obama's two-year period when Democrats controlled both Houses, the Tea Party was not "a movement of shopkeepers initially galvanized by the Obama administration's health care, tax and regulatory heavy-handedness toward small businesses."

    It was/is a grassroots movement of Americans initially galvanized by the housing crisis, TARP, the auto bailouts, 8 years of a republican President who ran up as yet unprecedented debt etc.
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    2) "Unfortunately, the movement was too disorganized to keep social conservatives at a safe distance."

    And if we had been organized enough to effectively refute the claims of the Left that the Tea Party had been commandeered by the Social Right?

    If the Tea Party had been "organized" enough, they would have been slapped with the astroturf accusation more than they did. Never mind that the Tea Party did effectively repel the Social Right. Just ask Joseph Farah and his "Tea Party Manifesto. From the beginning the Social Right has been trying to get the Tea Party to take positions on abortion, gay marriage, etc. The best that the Social Right has been able to do with the Tea Party is that some of their guys snuck in and some of them got on ballots, like Akin and Mourdock.

    It doesn't matter how organized the Tea Party is, if the media identifies the Tea Party with those yahoos instead of Paul, Ryan, Rubio, Cruz, Scott, etc...
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    Other than that. the rest is pretty accurate. It definitely pissed off the Left who had declared in some secret meeting or something that "Grassroots" is only allowed on the Left... even if it has to be astroturf.
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    Somehow your trademark smiley manages to look even more astonished with a third dimension.:)

    For me at least the formation of the tea party as what it was when it gained the national spotlight only happened after Obamacare, before that the majority of Americans probably didn't realize such a movement existed. I think a hit of equal loss is the failure to elect a Ron Paul, Even if it was just to say we TRIED something different. Rand is no Ron, and I think gradually his bloc of followers will morph into more electable forms by trying to align with the other parties.

    For a short while though, the tea party was awesome, and one of few examples in modern politics of ordinary people beginning a movement of such influence.
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    @Real4WheelDrv-- I wasn't sure about it at first. A little small compared to the last one but the white background with the 3d effect works real well with the formatting. I'm diggin' it.

    Your comment is about where I am with the Tea Party. Part of me wants it to "re-brand" like the Left likes to do when they wear out a label. The difference is that the Tea Party didn't wear out the label because people figured out what the Tea Party really believes ...like the Left does. The Tea Party label may be worn out but that's only because of the relentless attacks from the Left to smear enough so that people don't figure out what the Tea Party really believes.
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    @Bobolinsky And as the article and you point out, the rush of the ultra social conservatives to identify themselves as part of it because Americans were steadily paying more attention to their message instead of the worn out pillars of the other 2 parties. One propped up on a stack of bibles and the other on the backs of minorities.
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    wow, what an attempt at a well written piece of complete fiction. this tea party he speaks of bears little resemblance to the actual tea party. next time you're searching for a guest writer for an article, at least make it entertaining fiction. maybe stephen king.
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    Seems like a very historicaly accurate depiction of what happened to the tea party and how they were overtaken by the far right evangelicals, and thus brought to their destruction...
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    Yeah gotta agree with @woodtick57 here...the author was waxing poetic about what they STARTED AS and COULD have been, they were solely concerned with economic issues in the beginning. Once the hardcore social conservatives realized that people were actually listening to these upstarts, they jumped on the bandwagon and broke the axles, which opened the door for cries of racism, homophobia, good ol' boys etc.
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    @Real4WheelDrv I saw a CNN broadcast that had Dr. Ron Paul and Sarah Palin as guests talking about the Tea Party movement a while back. Dr. Paul looked somewhat uncomfortable every time Sarah opened her mouth and backed off his actual association with the Tea Party movement and instead focused on what he's always focused on, Small Government and Fiscal responsibility. He expertly answered the questions that attempted to link him to being Anti-Gay Marriage by saying the Federal Government shouldn't be involved. Sarah on the other hand felt it her responsibility to talk at length on the subject. I knew right then that the Tea Party had lost any Libertarians or Paulbots (as some call us) that might have been interested in the Tea Parties initial Small Government, Fiscal Responsible platform.
    Beginning of the end in my mind.
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    @Fishbone345 I was under the impression the tea party was less about small government and more about no Obama. If these people were truly concerned about goverment spending where were they before Obama was sworn into office. This was never about spending and government size. Those were talking points made to try and attempt to legitimize what was nothing more than an obstructionist movement determined to unseat a democratically elected president. That's how I viewed them from day one because that's how they seemed to present themselves. Screaming in town hall meetings. Talking about spending as if it suddenly had somehow just ballooned the day Obama took office and not a peep from these same people as the bush administration and his congress spent us into recession. They were from day one nothing less than anti-Obama activists. They failed. They did not remove him as president. They did help to further degrade the ability of an already strained two party system to make compromise. The way they scream the GOP seem to think they have more power and more numbers than they truly do. If that were true why is Mitt Romney not president during a bad economy the incumbent generally gets beaten. If the tea party had true power and influence why did the GOP lose the popular vote in the senate the house and the presidential election during a recession? What happens to their power when the GOP try to run Rubio and the people who were there for nothing more than trying to remove a black man are given a Cuban to get behind. I'm not saying that's all of them. I'm saying that's a lot of them and what overstated power they seem to have now is going to be even further diminished in 2016 and most are going to be scratching their heads wondering why when they just don't want to accept the ugly truth. Most of the tea party exist solely because a black democrat is president.
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    @frigginhell I think you mistook my post as defense of the Tea Party. That's not what it was at all.
    Personally, I am a Libertarian, and wish that we had a bigger platform. But, that takes time and effort, and we are getting there. Eventually Americans will be fed up with the poor choices they are offered and the third party option will be a reality. The Democrats and Republicans are only two sides of the same damn coin. Neither one does anything and what they do, harms us further and further as a nation. Grandstanding and writing bills with piggy backs does nothing but please the different cliques in Congress. If you truly believe that the two party system benefits Americans and does what is Constitutionally the right thing, you are sadly mistaken and naive at the very best.
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    actually, the tea party might have amounted to something if their ranks hadn't been swelled by fear mongers and hater mongers. if they had supported social equality and the constitution, and had stopped with the beating on the religious 'conservative' drum, and if they hadn't kept trying to force all their religious lies on the populous, then they might have succeeded.
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    With all due respect to Mark Twain: The reports of my death are greatly exaggerated..the Teaparty due to an onslaught by the socialist propaganda machine may have gone underground a bit,but this last great hope for freedom is not yet conquered,freedom has a way of resurfacing no matter the odds
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    Once the tea party was backed by the koch brothers it was all about little to no govt and don't touch the big corporations. This article, while while well written, is not even close to the whole story and simply tries to rewrite history.
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    I get my news from a lot of places, but none controlled by Rupert Murdoch. Or Al Jazeera.
    The media did not do anything but happily point out what the teabaggers were doing to themselves. the media love a hypocrit, or a fruitcake. The tea party has plenty of both.
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    @Realthinker Does that make you feel better? Is attitude your best response?
    I don't hate you, or the tea party. I do worry about you both. Fear does things to the mind.
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    It seems to me that by the time the Tea Party really gained national recognition, known personalities like Sarah Palin were stepping in front of any available camera hoping to profit and gain political traction by associating the name of the party with their own agendas, thereby obscuring the message of the original organizers of the movement.
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    I agree. I mentioned an interview I saw on CNN with Dr. Ron Paul and Sarah Palin about the Tea Party. That sorta cemented the end of it being about the initial idea and moving more towards a Social platform that I disagree with.
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    I don't know what the ideals of the original Tea Party were and it really doesn't matter. They grew into the ignorant and hateful organization they are today before the got any national attention. They were just angry conservatives who realized that being called a Tea Bagger was less demeaning than being called a republican.
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    I DO remember the early days of the Tea Party, when it was just a protest of taxpayers against the Bush administration's decision to bail out certain financial corporations. Once the Christian fundamentalists glommed onto it, that ruined it. After that it became the party of anti-science, anti-intellect, anti-gay, anti-choice, and anti- so many other things I've lost count. The fact that the GOP "adopted" the Tea Partiers as their own says volumes about what has gone wrong with the Republication party.
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    The would be social engineers are blinded by the realities of life. Not every one thinks it's OK to run around naked with a flag sticking out of ones ass.
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    There's always been a tightly-wound fringe on both ends of the political spectrum, the Teapartistas merely the latest rebranding of the same narrow conservatives we used to call "Goldwater Republicans," " the Religious Right" or " the Moral Majority."

    No matter the label they share two characteristics: Sincerely held social conservatism and an astonishingly naive understanding of how government actually works.
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    Tha name always confused me. The original tea party was about taxation without representation. I don't believe this was ever part of the latest rendition. Oh yeah, the goofy costumes didn't help. Finally, I felt the TP was talking at me and not with me.
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    The most notorious of many mistakes of the Tea party was piggybacking the Republican party which allowed them to regain power in 2011. Another failure was was that the party provided unabated worship, adulation, and support to just about ANY candidate for office, regardless of competence, credentials or quality, as long as they merely belched some inclination to support Tea party ideals. Over the last two years, many of the phonies and worthless Tea party officeholders that were elected under the Tea party namesake have done nothing and have never joined in unison to block major spending. TINOs (Tea Party In Name Only) and similar fakes like Allen West, Marco Rubio, and even Rand Paul and other have never lived up to the purest of Tea party ideals. Once in office, it seems that each of the new Tea party members simply began fund raising and brown nosing the Republican party for support to get reelected which also means they sold their votes and their soul. As for Rubio and Paul and other TINO senators, we have not one filibuster to show anyone after two years. Not one. They talk a soothing game but they, like the rest of Congress, are worthless do-nothings. After two years of Tea party festivities in Washington, America is another $2 trillion in debt with nothing to show for it. The Tea party did themselves in as they aren't really a party at all. Instead, they have become the uglier cousins of the RINOs because they wanted to try to take back the country on the cheap.

    With or without the Tea party, America is finished. Enjoy the last days of what used to be the most enjoyable days of life on earth as we are well past the point of no return. For some time now, the growing imbecile population has diluted America's voting strength and will and continue to elected representatives who are in it for themselves.
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    This is certainly a different view of the universe. So Michele Bachmann is a misunderstood rationalist?
    There may have been a germ of fiscal sanity in the Tea party once, but it was quickly stamped out.
    It didn't help that tea party members were also prone to extreme fundamentalist and anti-science beliefs and wanted to legislate on that basis.
    Hopefully, they will fade into obscurity once again. Soon
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    This was a good article. Sadly true but good! I wonder if the Tea Party still has a chance if they can get their A game together.
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