ANRA and 90% of Gun Owners Support Background Checks

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    • Aug 2012
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    Thunderchicken wrote: #57
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    @stepped_in_it http://www.cato.org/publications/commentary/gun-control-myths-realities
    @Thunderchicken http://civilliberty.about.com/od/guncontrol/a...
    So, which is right?
    • Sep 2012
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    Medicinebow wrote: #15
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    Here's a clue. The gov't ignores these the same as they do immigration laws. Has NOTHING to do with the NRA. But, the NRA has, for years, asked the gov't to prosecute attempts at illegal purchases. More laws won't do it....they don't even enforce the ones we already have.
    @Medicinebow The NRA has publicly asked the government to enforce existing gun laws while quietly working to disable the government's ability to do exactly that. Clauses placed in the Patriot Act by Congressman Todd Tiahrt that were reviewed and approved by the NRA prevent the ATF from executing many measures that are essential to preventing illegal weapons sales. The ATF is prohibited from creating a federal registry to track gun sales, and is not even allowed to require gun dealers to maintain an inventory record. There is not a full-time director of the ATF and there has not been one for 6 years because the Senate refuses to approve one. You can search for your own clues in the following places:

    http://www.businessinsider.com/jon-stewart-nr...

    http://www.justice.gov/oig/reports/ATF/e0905....
    • Sep 2012
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    @Medicinebow Sorry, but I've received NRA mail propaganda for the last 40 years, and it's only this year that they support comprehensive, universal background checks. Before, the NRA was deep in the pocket of the gun show folks.
    @NormalFlora From the NRA " NRA supported instant check bills introduced by then-Rep. Bill McCollum (R-Fla.) in 1988, Rep. Harley O. Staggers (D-W.Va.) in 1989, and the amendment to the 1993 Brady Act which mandated NICS’ establishment." Now as far as total background checks including private sales I haven't seen anything yet. As of today the private seller has no way to conduct a background check. As I stated on another post, I ask to see a CCW permit and that satisfies to me that the purchaser is legit.
    • Nov 2012
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    jessejaymes wrote: #54
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    @Roco Let me ask you this. GH Bush (father) was a former congressman from Texas who was appointed to the head of the CIA. Can you give me a single qualification that being a former House of Representative (usually elected with less than 20,000 votes) made Bush Senior the right man to head up the...
    @jessejaymes Some one has to fill these positions. So how to we go about getting qualified people into them instead of the political flunkies? I'm not trying to argue because I feel that you are right on this.
    • Sep 2012
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    to keep guns out of crooks hands. an let decent people have, there gun,s for pertection ,an for the owner,s safety, so we most deffenly need a back ground check,to own a gun.I suport it 100%'
    • Sep 2012
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    Dan_Tien wrote: #62
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    @Medicinebow The NRA has publicly asked the government to enforce existing gun laws while quietly working to disable the government's ability to do exactly that. Clauses placed in the Patriot Act by Congressman Todd Tiahrt that were reviewed and approved by the NRA prevent the ATF from executing ...
    @Dan_Tien I posted this link on another post.

    http://bjs.ojp.usdoj.gov/content/pub/html/bcf...

    The gov't knows certain folks are trying to buy guns illegally and ignores it. 71,000 denials and 1,500 arrests? Thats absurd. Our gov't is simply failing to enforce the laws we have. Just like immigration laws.

    What clause tells the gov't to let suspected illegal purchasers go? When these checks are done and they know the person is prohibited from purchasing then law enforcement should be arresting these people.
    • Dec 2012
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    because legal gun owners in America are tired of being lumped in with the illegal guns owners by the extremists on the left. the background check is nothing new.
    • Jun 2012
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    stepped_in_it wrote: #61
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    @Thunderchicken http://civilliberty.about.com/od/guncontrol/a/Gun-Shows.htm So, which is right?
    @stepped_in_it

    Where does your link contradict mine? The number stated in your link may be in line with the percentage stated in mine. But without doing a lot of research I'll go with the DOJ numbers.
    • Aug 2012
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    Thunderchicken wrote: #68
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    @stepped_in_it Where does your link contradict mine? The number stated in your link may be in line with the percentage stated in mine. But without doing a lot of research I'll go with the DOJ numbers.
    @Thunderchicken "In 33 states, private gun owners are not restricted from selling guns at gun shows. Buyers who purchase guns from individuals are not required to submit to the federal background checks in place for licensed dealers. Critics say that firearms can be obtained illegally as a result, calling it the “gun show loophole.” Proponents of unregulated gun show sales say that there is no loophole; gun owners are simply selling or trading guns at the shows as they would do at their residence."
    • Sep 2012
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    Medicinebow wrote: #66
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    @Dan_Tien I posted this link on another post. http://bjs.ojp.usdoj.gov/content/pub/html/bcft/2009/bcft09st.pdf The gov't knows certain folks are trying to buy guns illegally and ignores it. 71,000 denials and 1,500 arrests? Thats absurd. Our gov't is simply failing to enforce the laws we h...
    @Medicinebow Did you know that background checks done for firearm purchases must be destroyed within 24 hours?
    • Sep 2012
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    @Medicinebow Did you know that background checks done for firearm purchases must be destroyed within 24 hours?
    @Dan_Tien The illegal purchaser is flagged for attempting to make a purchase. The gov't knows instantly when that persons info. crosses their computers. They should be arrested. We are being failed by the gov't . They have the power to arrest these folks and simply don't.
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    @NormalFlora From the NRA " NRA supported instant check bills introduced by then-Rep. Bill McCollum (R-Fla.) in 1988, Rep. Harley O. Staggers (D-W.Va.) in 1989, and the amendment to the 1993 Brady Act which mandated NICS’ establishment." Now as far as total background checks including private s...
    @Medicinebow No way? Really? They can BOTH go to any police station, provide photo ID, and request a background check. Provided there's no outstanding warrants issued for them.
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    @Medicinebow No way? Really? They can BOTH go to any police station, provide photo ID, and request a background check. Provided there's no outstanding warrants issued for them.
    @NormalFlora I'm unaware of any jurisdiction that will allow this. Do you or anyone else know of one?
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    All the mass shootings in the last 15 years is enough to make me want better gun laws.
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    Because they believe the rules don't apply to them like the voter registration apply only to minorities.
    • Sep 2012
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    Medicinebow wrote: #71
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    @Dan_Tien The illegal purchaser is flagged for attempting to make a purchase. The gov't knows instantly when that persons info. crosses their computers. They should be arrested. We are being failed by the gov't . They have the power to arrest these folks and simply don't.
    @Medicinebow "The illegal purchaser is flagged for attempting to make a purchase."

    Remember "... the ATF is prohibited from creating a federal registry to track gun sales"?

    If the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms (the main government agency for enforcing gun laws) is prohibited from tracking gun sales, has no full-time director, cannot check gun dealer inventories, has a limited number of agents to enforce gun laws and must by law destroy all background checks for gun sales within 24 hours, how do you expect them to arrest everyone involved in illegal gun sales?
    • Jun 2012
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    average American? what's an average American
    Most haven't even read our Constitution!! or actually know any American history.
    So the term average offends me
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    I really like that they used the info from the big poll into this article. Smart!
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    @NormalFlora I'm unaware of any jurisdiction that will allow this. Do you or anyone else know of one?
    @Medicinebow there are privacy issues a normal purchase check answers Yes or no. That's it. Even no is no fault as they will day no if they have trouble telling you from someone else who is a definate no. Then you need to contact them and male clear you identity.
    • Jun 2012
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    stepped_in_it wrote: #69
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    @Thunderchicken "In 33 states, private gun owners are not restricted from selling guns at gun shows. Buyers who purchase guns from individuals are not required to submit to the federal background checks in place for licensed dealers. Critics say that firearms can be obtained illegally as a result...
    @stepped_in_it

    Yeah I read your link. In most states private sales are unrestricted. According the DOJ it isn't a big problem. We would do better to deal with actual law breakers than chasing imaginary ones. Try this link. It's a little more comprehensive.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gun_shows_in_the...

    Oh and while I'm thinking about it, didn't Bloomberg's "investigations" apply the restrictive New York laws to the perfectly legal actions the he reported happening in other states? If so, that's a good way to stack the deck.

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