On his show The 700 Club, controversy-master Pat Robertson said what that perhaps some Americans are secretly thinking. In a segment on the Boy Scouts' debate over whether to allow gay members, Robertson asked, "are there predators as Boy Scouts, pedophiles who would come in as scoutmasters?" He added, "if they are, then of course parents wouldn't want their sons being involved in the Boy Scouts, or their daughters in the Girl Scouts." Watch the segment here:
I've always felt like a sincere question is a fair one and deserves an answer if one can be given. I also think its fair to return a question with a question, does Hugh exposé children's o morepedophilia that anywhere else? It appears to be the case. And the other is this : if you lists to people for long enough, they will tell you what they are. A pedophile brings it up often as does a closet gay person. Fr safety sake. Of I were a gay who wanted to join the Boy Scouts, I would let my identity be known BEFOR entering.
Or that the latest push for inclusion has been led by actual boy scouts, many of them Eagle Scouts who have returned their badges in protest. He misrepresents the case when he says "they" are making it look like a congressional thing. But misrepresentation is this mans bread and butter.
I would agree with you except you don't know that those straight guys who have been raping children and the bigger question is, why would you assume they were straight? I would assume among pedophiles that gays molest same sex, straight molest opposite sex and bi's molest both sexes. But that's not the issue here. Even if I'm right, not all gays are pedophiles and not all pedophiles are gay. Isn't the issue here whether something is done about the amount of pedophilia among our children?
@rkinsawjoe "But misrepresentation is this mans bread and butter." I'll say. My favorite? His advice to a question concerning Alzheimer's.
I'll let Wikipedia tell it, I'll cut and paste. On the September 14, 2011, broadcast of The 700 Club, a viewer talked about a friend who was bitter at God because his wife had Alzheimer's disease, and the friend had started seeing another woman. The viewer asked Robertson for his advice. Robertson responded, "I know it sounds cruel, but if he's going to do something, he should divorce her and start all over again, but make sure she has custodial care and somebody looking after her." He continued saying, "If you respect that vow, you say 'til death do us part. This is a kind of death." This contradicted his previous views on the sanctity of human life in all forms (including, e.g., embryos). http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pat_Robertson_co...
@Fishbone345 My favorite is when they answered a question a 17 year old kid sent into Maxim.(Why someone from the 700 Club is reading Maxim I don't know.) the kid was worried because his dad was obsessed with playing video games and was ignoring his mom. Pat decided that the problem was likely the mother. She probably wasn't very sweet. She should try to be more romantic (by which I assume he meant pleasure the dad while he played video games) and maybe she just wasn't all that attractive. Its not nearly as evil as the one you shared but I enjoyed his delusion.
I like this thinking. He is an intellectual slave-holder, someone who makes his living off of manipulating peoples ignorance and playing on their fears. I find it hard to believe that in the 21st Century, we still have powerful people that make their decisions by the equivalence of reading the entrails of a chicken.
Unfortunately pedophiles are not limited to just gay people... but many men who consider themselves straight are actually pedophilic around young boys. Scout Master is just one of those positions that a pedophile will naturally seek. Any position associated with the trust of other peoples children is prone to pedophiles.
Is it me, or does Poltix Mary find articles that incite arguement or tries to stir the proverbial pot; only to moderate later when the conversation actually manifests into honest discussion including peoples feelings being hurt? That's not journalism, that's just being a shithead. Her "Ivy" league school education was robbed of their time and she should give her undergrad and grad degrees back.
Pedophiles are homo's. Says so on page 2 of my GOP handbook.
@rkinsawjoe True. I watched some Bull Fighting footage once, and it wasn't what I thought. It was a lot more violent and a bit disturbing actually. At least in a rodeo, the bull goes free after it tosses the cowboy riding it. A friend of mine ran with the bulls in Spain, and talked about how they revere the bulls and that the meat is donated to places that help feed the poor, but I dunno, it was a bit much for me to watch. I guess I'm more of an animal lover than I'd care to admit? I'm not some PETA nut mind you, but violence is violence no matter how you brand it.
Only time can tell and I'm not sure I would be willing to take the chance.To my knowledge the system hasn't been broke why try to fix it now. And for all we know there could have already been gay's in the scouts but have never heard of any problems.
The system has in fact been broken for some time. The BSA was forced last year to release the 65,000 page "perversion files" documenting nearly 2,000 cases of molestation at the hands of scoutmasters and volunteers over a 20 year period. The BSA had in the style of the Catholic church dealt with these matters in house,choosing to dismiss the guilty scoutmasters rather than involve authorities and risk embarrassment to the organization. Of course this means the victims received no treatment or counseling and no justice. So the answer to the problem then is to restrict boys or young men who identify as gay from scouting and the wholesome,character building benefits that come with it? Would these boys not arguably be the ones most in need of such guidance and training? I must admit that my thoughts tend more toward not barring gay boys from scouting rather than allowing known gay adults to serve as scoutmasters., But that is my own prejudice speaking and I too am a work in progress. I understand from studies I've tried to read that homosexuality and pedophilia are two separate things.One said that 82% of those 2,000 cases cited were at the hands of the heterosexual,opposite sex partners of the mothers of the victim. So you're actually right, there is no homosexual problem in scouting,it's straight pedophiles and those who value an organizations reputation over the safety and well being of the children it purports to care so deeply for.
nah... i think he gives god a good laugh from time to time... like when he said that hurricane katrina hit new orleans due to mardi gras, and that hurricane sandy hit the new york area so hard because the state had legalised gay marriage.
He's old, confused, and should be pitied. Perhaps in a senile fog, the reverend hasn't been paying attention to embarrassing revelations that the Boy Scouts, staunchly homophobic through the decades, has had more than its share of closeted self-hating buggerers serving as scoutmasters.
Boy scouts, the Catholic preist, teachers, etc. all draw there share of pedophiles. They do not come out of the closet and announce their sexual orientation. They are molesting right now and have been all along. Refusing to allow gay scoutmasters will not change that. Indeed, allowing scoutmasters who publically announce they are gay will enable those who want to avoid a particular boy scout club that opportunity. If only pedophiles announced it publically. They do not because that is not the nature of pedophiles...
You are to be pitied if your mind has been narrowed to such a point that you accept the drivel spewed forth by Pat. I suggest your comments and fears shoulf also be directed to Catholic Bishops and Priests where the real concern exists.
@seedtick You're typical of so many who base their beliefs in your narrow minded uneducated erroneous chuch teaching. You appaerenyly know few if any gays. Pedophiles are not necessarily gay, most are hetro. Gays are very rarely pedophiles and view it just as you and I as aborhant behavior. You can't believe the BSA would even consider the change if there were overwhelming concerns. Your child is at more risk from your church than the BSAs
@martydotcom Yeah...and if they make that change, the Boy Scouts will be the big losers. All across the country churches will refuse to follow the lead of the national council and many boys will lose access to the scouting experience. Parents will reconsider allowing their sons to participate. In short, they think the risk is too great. I was in the Boy Scouts from the time I was 11 until I was 16. I can only imagine what would have happened if a gay leader had been found in or around our troop in Southwest Louisiana at that time.
@martydotcom You left wingers just love to spew that stuff about "most pedophiles are straight". Well MOST pedophiles are men and 45% of the adult population is male. That would stand to reason. HOWEVER for only being 4-5% of the adult population gays males are pedophiles in a much larger per capita percentage of their population. And while you're calling others names Marty perhaps you would recall a group called NAMBLA (North American Man Boy Love Association) which IS a gay male group that advocates sexual consent laws to be lowered to the age of FOUR. There is NO known heterosexual or lesbian such group in the world. ONLY a gay male group. Who claimed a million members at they peak and who had openly gay Priests and high profile gays among their membership. There is that you know?
Here's some other gems from this nitwit... "Just like what Nazi Germany did to the Jews, so liberal America is now doing to the evangelical Christians. It's no different. It is the same thing. It is happening all over again. It is the Democratic Congress, the liberal-based media and the homosexuals who want to destroy the Christians. Wholesale abuse and discrimination and the worst bigotry directed toward any group in America today. More terrible than anything suffered by any minority in history." –Pat Robertson (Well said Pat, Christians in America know exactly how the Jews felt in Nazi Germany)
"Maybe we need a very small nuke thrown off on Foggy Bottom to shake things up" –Pat Robertson (Nuking the State Department. Not at all treasonous!)
"It may be a blessing in disguise.... Something happened a long time ago in Haiti, and people might not want to talk about it. Haitians were originally under the heel of the French. You know, Napoleon the third, or whatever. And they got together and swore a pact to the devil. They said, we will serve you if you will get us free from the French. True story. And so, the devil said, okay it's a deal. Ever since they have been cursed by one thing after the other." –Pat Robertson (On the earthquake in Haiti that destroyed the capital and killed tens of thousands of people, Jan. 13, 2010)
This is the man who made quite a bit of money off Blood Diamonds and fully accepted slave labor as being "Christian" apparently. NOTHING this man says is anything but absolute BS and hopefully the Lord will take him soon. He deserves it and so do we.
He is absolutely right. But rather than praise the scouts for protecting the children in their care, the Scouts are being demonized. Let's be clear, gays can be pedophiles and those people will be looking for boys to victimize. Yet some of the same people who screamed that the Catholic church did not do enough to protect children from pedophile priests are the same people calling the Scouts bigots. To be very clear, a male who victimizes boys is by definition both a pedophile and a homosexual.
This article provides factual information and definitions for people who are throwing words around out there. How many of you actually know gay people in real life? Are they pedophiles? Are they child molesters? I'm just curious because out of every gay man or woman I've met, none have committed a sex crime that I am aware of. And don't say that they just haven't been caught yet because the same principle applies to EVERY person you meet.
@stepped_in_it I truly do not understand the whole "gay=pedophile" thing. Even if I had no research at all into the subject, I would simply look at all of the gay people that I personally know and draw the same conclusion that there is no correlation between gays and pedophiles. The ones I know are good people who pay taxes. Some are parents, and good ones at that.
I have known a number of gay people. None has ever admitted to pedophilia, neither would I expect any pedophile to disclose that to me, gay or straight. Gays never commit sex crimes? Not unless they are already in prison, you mean? Or are all of those same-sex rapes committed by heterosexuals? As a teenager, I defended myself from an attempted rape by an older man. A rapist is a rapist. Sexual preference does not determine whether or not someone is compelled to commit sex crimes.
@AnnieO That's because you have made the "effort" to personally know them. Can you imagine some here making that claim trying to "personally know" a homosexual. Most think you can catch the homosexual "flu" by contact.....sheesh!
Sort of difficult to molest young boys if you are straight and attracted to females even if you are a chronophile. Pat has always said some nonsensical off the wall stuff over the years. But while it is true that you can be a homosexual and not a pedophile, you really cant be a pedophile in scouts caught for pedophilia without being a homosexual.
It only makes sense, the masters that are already pedophiles will just get an easier path to pleasure, and the new queer scout leaders will join in on it! It's a shame that we have come to the point where we want our children (future adults) to be infected with sexual corruption! Sure, do your AIDS pass on behind doors, but don't do it with the children to! The last thing society needs is it's future expiramented on by a bunch of sodomite freaks! I can all ready tell they'll start letting queers in, hopefully I'm wrong because this country needs less sexual diversity in order to grow! I hate all of this LGBT activism corrupting the minds of the children! Kids need a counselor that will tell them homosexuality is abnormal, not a counselor that will encourage it by possibly even coming on to the children! Satan has all of these souls blindfolded on a path to their self destruction! Don't let him have his way with your child!
The folks must be so proud. And why not? It takes a lot of guts to express an opinion so strongly without even the lightest grasp of the facts and issues involved. For instance, I'm in that "bunch of sodomite freaks" but I'm not a "queer" at all. I don't understand what women see in men let alone what another man is attracted by. But there sure are a lot of 'em that see something,and there always have been. That undeniable fact alone shows homosexuality to be anything but abnormal..Confused? Of course you are, but that's o.k.there's an easy cure. Expirament with you one of them dictionaries and maybe an encyclopedia or two. When you know what the words your using actually mean and what the argument .you're making actually is, the confusion just melts away like santorum in bathwater.
That is a good guess. But. Just because they are gay doesn't mean they are child molester's. Look at all the Priests look at all the preachers who are being accused of child molestation. Which group is the one to worried about.
If you want to be gay, fine, but a gay man has no business leading a troop of Boy Scouts just like a straight man has no business leading a troop of Girl Scouts. A person shouldn't be allowed to lead that which they are sexually attracted to.