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    Only if brain dead lemming liberals would quit spending like everyday was tax collection day then your statement would be true. It's a fact that lemming liberals don't like to admit.
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    @USailCapital It was brain dead lemming CONSERVATIVES that spent all that money. They took a balanced budget and turned it into a $500 billion deficit before the crash, and the crash doubled that deficit. Now they refuse to remove any of that spending they created, can't touch defense, can't touch medicare part D, can't touch the TSA or homeland security, can't touch the tax breaks they handed out that nobody needed.

    "Reagan proved deficits don't matter."
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    @AceLuby wasn't it those same conservatives that balanced the budget in the first place? Why not talk about the last 6+ years that Democrats have been in control of Washington instead of 30+ years ago?
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    @USailCapital hey why are we in a recession??? Bc right wingers went on a true spending spree and allowed banks to go crazy that's what caused this mess that was brought to you by republican everything I just said is fact also here's another fact obamas the lowest government spender in decades go get a grip on reality bc you don't know JACK!!!
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    Not entirely. The idea that bigger government is sustainable and that cuts to government and smaller government means more prosperity is equally valid. A combination of the two should be done not one or the other.....
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    It's equally valid in a healthy economy... we are nowhere close to a healthy economy though. Just like it's not intuitive to level off to go up faster in an airplane, it's not intuitive to spend more now to create demand for private sector goods and services in order to balance the budget in the long term. Cuts to govt, even while raising taxes on the wealthy, does nothing to fix the core issue to our economy, lack of demand.
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    @Knightkore No, the core issue is increasing aggregate demand. We're never getting those jobs back, we need new jobs doing things that have to be done here. Things that have to be made by Americans because you can't outsource it.
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    I I didn't see much in this article about the concept of fairness. When a pro golfer has to move from Cal. to Fla. to escape a 64% tax, there is something inherently wrong with this "tax the wealthy scheme."
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    First of all he hasn't moved, second he apologized for running his mouth and third let him move. It's free country after all isn't it?
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    @jessejaymes Tiger Woods moved and more importantly, businesses are leaving the confiscatory tax rates in Cal. by the droves.
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    @AceLuby Everything is taxed in Cal., not just property. The fact remains that companies and the wealthy will leave a state that has confiscatory taxes.
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    @earl Any money a golfer makes in CA he would still make there and there are sales taxes in 45/50 states. By moving, but still making money in the same way, he would not be avoiding any taxes, just some of the state specific ones like the CA sales and property taxes... and instead pay FL sales and property taxes.
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    Kudos to Politix for this well reasoned and well written article. Mr. Garret speaks strong truth. The best way to stimulate the economy is to stimulate demand. The best way to do that is to put more money into the hands of those who will put it back into the economy - the poor and middle class.
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    No. As a General Contractor I have a bottom line.

    I can currently afford to employ 9 full time men. Seven of those men are married and have families that are dependent on their income.

    If you increase my taxes enough and force me to pay higher premiums for health insurance I have to calculate that into the bottom line.

    You can only swallow so much cost and you can only pass on so much to the customer.

    My business is a microcosm of the cause and effect relationship. Big businesses and wealthy employers have to make the same decisions and cuts based on Government intervention.
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    The problem with your argument is that if you employ only 9 full time men, then you are not really in the economic class that this article addresses, you are a small business.
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    @Dan_Tien That's funny, because Emperor Nero Obama believes that any business making over $250k a year should fall into this tax catagory.
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    @No_Bama What is funny is that people who are basically "small potatoes" think that they are in the same class as international movers and shakers because they make $250k a year. That's about 251 times less than Warren Buffet says he made in taxable income in 2010, on which he paid a tax rate of 17.4%.
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    Nope, higher taxes on the wealthy means less prosperity for everyone. With the exception of certain corporations that can afford the tax breaks being taken away (i.e. Facebook and GE come to mind). But you could tax the rich at 100% and it wouldn't solve the financial problem we're in. The best solution? Government should butt out and let the free markets work.
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    You do know that "the free market" isn't static, right? In a true free market, winners in a particular niche acquire money and power that lets them take over another niche -- and that process repeats and snowballs till you have a handful of all-powerful merchant princes ruling the world. To be perfectly honest, even though our nation attempts to keep the free market in check so that doesn't happen, it probably already has.
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    @Zazziness The right wingnuts love to quote Adam Smith and his "invisible hand" theory, which was discredited over 50 years ago and no sane economist would refer to it now because of its level of naïveté. These same wingnuts disparage a college education, but if they bother to stay awake through micro and macroeconomics, they might have a lightbulb moment and finally understand why the "free market" is rife with corruption and the opportunity for further corruption.
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    This is the most asinine post I have read in a long time. You take tax rates rather than the real taxes paid and make sweeping generalizations. You ignore factors such as the total elimination of all interest deductions except for mortgages and numerous other loopholes that were closed during the Reagan years. Your simplify the economy to tax rates ignoring all other factors that influence the economy and finally you select a timeline that fits your conclusions without any real reference to logical economic cycles. Not worth the virtual paper it was written on!
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    We have seen the results when arm chair economists who prognosticate about what will help our economy are proven to be wrong, over and over. Lower corporate taxes and stop the insane government spending and stand back and watch this economy explode.
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    The economy really exploded after the Bush tax cuts didn't it? We'll be cleaning up that mess for a decade and a half.
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    Using the old definition of "being rich means you have money; being wealthy means you have time," I would disagree.

    Seed money for new businesses ("jobs", to Democrats) tends to come from people with some extra millions; taking that away from them is only going to hurt.

    Sure, taking money away from the billionaires and giving it to you and me (especially me) is a fine idea, but you can't do it. That money will end up in Zurich or the Cayman Islands faster than you can grab it. The wealthy can also navigate the loopholes here, so they don't have to pay much on their US money unless they want to.
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    In my experience, having worked with a dozen plus start ups, seed money most often comes out of the pockets of the budding entrepreneurs themselves, middle class money. The idea that amassed capital is what drives new business and job growth is wrong. It's a nice story, but it's wrong. Closing the carried interest loophole, taxing capital gains as regular income, even raising marginal rates for the top earners would not stifle new business.
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    @MiddleMajority "seed money most often comes out of the pockets of the budding entrepreneurs themselves, middle class money"

    Just what I was saying; should I have said "extra hundreds of thousands to spend" instead of "extra millions"? Anyway, most new businesses are funded by life savings or loans from relatives; it is a really bad idea to reduce those.
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    The 1950's were prosperous, what was the top tax rate again????? 92%. Let's have that and see if our greedy class will want to spread the wealth to the people that earn the money instead of shove it all in their own "do nothing" pockets.
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    No... simply put those that we call wealth are that way because they run companies or supplies goods and services... When you increase taxes on such the tax is covered in the price increases of those goods and services which are paid by the general populace..... If such taxes are included in the price of products it may become non competitive to other sources of those good and services and the company then will either get out of the business with the loss of all jobs provided, reduce the labor force to maintain price points or reduce pay and benefits to the employees to maintain price point....

    We see this already in the market such as Union companies that require reductions in pay and wages when taxes and costs go up, lately in companies dropping spouses from employee insurance polices because of increase medical tax costs and companies closing their doors because taxes, wages and benefit costs make their products and services non competitive....
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    Wrong.

    If you increase taxes on high income earners and a rise in the price of their goods and services happens, one of two things will happen:

    1) You were running your business inefficiently before the tax and not maximizing profit, the tax just helped you maximize that profit. Not very likely since the goal of business is to always maximize profit.

    2) You were already maximizing profit before the tax, so when you increase the price of the product you lower the demand and make LESS profit than you did before, so not only would you be hit with the tax, you would be making less profit to boot.
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    @AceLuby .. Wrong... If you raise taxes on high income earners poor people pay those taxes as they are added to each gal of milk, each eye brow pencil, each pound of sugar ect. bought.... Or, you cost the Workers in reduction of pay, benefits or jobs...

    The Biz world is full of example of this... Even the Idiotic Cash for clunkers program demonstrates the cause & effect aspect.... The Tax and Regulation requirements of Obama care policies are now being off set by dropping spouses and or dropping coverage altogether....
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    @Quantummist Did you even read what I posted? If you raise prices and it increases profit it means that the business was running inefficiently in the first place. Most businesses will not fall into this category because every business strives to maximize profit by selecting a price that will do so based on the supply and demand for that product.

    If you raise prices when the price is already maximizing profitability (as most do), you will lose profit.

    Those are the only two things that could happen from a business leader's perspective. Since most will not want to lose profit, most will not raise prices. Those that do will lose business to those that don't, shifting that profit to other companies.
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    The company that my son owns is going to downsize from 80 employees to just under 50 due to the increase in "taxes" caused by Obama Care. Those 30 employees might have a different opinion about taxing the wealthy.
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    Knowing how to fly a plane, lets me know that you cannot compare the two. You can not compare history to this day and age. My husband works at a factory as a skilled laborer. They have much more demand than can be handled by a 40 hour work week. They will not increase to above 49 full time employees so they are not hiring to meet this demand. The employees are working 10 to 12 hours a day 6 days a week. This company is opting to pay that much overtime to keep themselves below Obamacare thresh hold. I'm sure they are not the only ones. They do use workers from temp agencies and that does not count toward the number of fulltime employees. Most of the factories are using workers from temp agencies. They do not have to provide any benefits to these employees and keeps Obamacare away. The only job growth is in the temp agency business. So that whole analogy in the preceding op-Ed piece does not work. There's no way to compare the work force of today to the workforce 80+ years to 30+ years ago. Things are much different. And there is absolutely no way to compare a plane climbing to our economy.
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    That is exactly what is happening all across the country, companies are laying off workers and paying overtime to take up the slack.
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    This man is an "armchair economist" for a reason. He has no grasp of real economics. In fact there is plenty of evidence to show that lowering taxes on the rich increases the flow of revenue to the government. It would do him, and other readers here to read Arthur Laffer, Milton Friedman, Ludwig Von Mises, Friedrich Hayek. Walter Williams and Thomas Sowell's Basic Economics. Economics and aerodynamics have nothing to do with each other. Keynesian economics has been thoroughly discredited, in fact Keynes himself expressed doubts about this theory before his death. Yet liberals cling to it.
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    Yes I agree with it, and I like the concept of "Patriotic Millionaires for Fiscal Strength". There is no patriotism in people who squeeze as much personal wealth out of America as possible and stash it overseas, leading us into economic collapse in the process. Yes, government spending is out of control, and much of that government spending is a direct benefit to the extremely wealthy who do not want to pay any of it back.
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    @No_Bama You know nothing about me, my work ethic, or my personal income. That doesn't stop you from talking though, or defending an income class to which you probably do not belong, and which does not return your loyalty.
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    @Dan_Tien I make over $250k so I most definately belong to the income class to which Nero Obama and his 47% of government hand-out voters want to tax more. But I'm betting you belong to the latter.
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    @No_Bama And how much should I believe unverifiable statements made by someone on the internet? You have already said that I am "a poor person too lazy to go out, work hard and make their own fortune" without knowing anything about me. You would only scoff if I told you otherwise, so why bother?
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    @Dan_Tien Of course. Only a person with no money would have the jealous attitude such as your own, towards someone who does have money.
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    What a total load of crap. If you really feel this way Mr. Garrett, why aren't you already voluntarily giving up your "fair share" on taxes? Feel free to do so if those are your believes, and leave the rest of our taxes alone. I for one have no desire whatso ever to pay in more of my hard earned dollars on taxes, just so the 47% of dead beats in this country can get more welfare and foodstamps, not to mention a hefty tax return every year to boot.
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