Police are allowed to rule out applicants for having high IQs, a federal court has ruled.
The 2nd US Circuit Court of Appeals judged that the city of New London did not discriminate when they rejected Robert Jordan's application, because everyone who took the test was evaluated by the same standards.
Jordan scored 33 points in the test, equating to an IQ of roughly 125. New London police interview only candidates who score between 20 and 27, "on the theory that those who scored too high could get bored with police work and leave soon after undergoing costly training," ABC reports. Nationally cops score on average 21-22, an IQ of 104.
Jordan became a prison guard after failing to join the police.
@AntiPorcheria - The rightwingnuts want only the ignorant as cops because they're willing to blindly follow orders, willing to commit acts of violence against innocent people who aren't committing crimes.
Just one example is the pigs in California broke the law by deliberately covering up their names and badge numbers. They then proceeded to violently assault peaceful OWS protesters who were sitting on the ground, not committing any crimes. Of course, that's been true of nearly every police state action against OWS protesters....
My G_d, hire only persons with lower IQ's? I want the most intelligent individuals possible in patrol cars cursing my streets. IQ relates to being able to learn new ideas and concepts as well as being able to solve problems. Now I can understand why New London has some lower end intelligence officers, they do what they are told without using reason and intelligence, they want robots.
Actually it's average IQ's. They're not hiring dumbasses. They're just not hiring rocket scientists either. This has been well known for years. I'm suprised it took this long to get through the courts. They're not wrong. Intelligent people are more likely to get bored with such an occupation. Not all of them but certainly higher than average.
@frigginhell but they, with their average IQ, can drive around with an ASSAULT RIFLE in the car but the rest of us cant own one?.....dude i have taken an IQ test twice in life... got a 118 once and a 120 the other. I am no where near a "rocket scientist". But i am only 5-7 points behind this guy that got rejected..... 104 is pretty damn low.... you are right. It is "average"... but that aint exactly a high bar.
@frigginhell - 125 isn't exactly rocket science level, either. What about homicide detectives? Don't they want those officers to have higher than average IQ? Sigh ... I think we all need to watch the movie "Idiocracy" again.
@AMSCountryboy You would have still tested out of their range. 115 is the average for a college grad and that would also place them outside of the allowed range. There is something wrong when they won't even look at the average college grad.
@tomincali even read when this came out a guy with learning disabilities hire a tutor so he could learn and pass that test. says alot about the likes of sotmayor. wonder if that how they would pick the heart or brain surgeon or would that call for the best of the best.
If I'm going to give you a badge and a gun and the right to arrest I want to be sure that that person can actually figure out what is going on and not be stupid. On the other hand if the cops are smart then they would surely turn against the politicians that try to run their departments into the ground by exposing them and the power base cannot have that. So I guess having dumb sheep as police officers would serve those who are in control the best.
@MolonLabe I will never contact them unless I have to... I would rather call my neighbor who will get their faster than the cops. The cops are there to throw people (often peaceful people) in cages over politician and lobbyist scribbles on paper... fuck that!
I just wish there were choice-based/private protection services I could employ.... too bad the violent monopoly/government makes them illegal not to mention steals my money so I can't divert my resources to an honest operation that has an incentive to protect me,... unlike the violent monopoly/government.
I don't know why this is news again, it was publicized in the 60s that police departments didn't want cops who were too smart. Not stupid, but not too smart either. If you start seeing too many shades of gray in everything, you can't be as effective, and you make slower decisions.
@PNWest LIke Harold you have no idea what you are talking about on this. That decision making by an academic mind. Which surprises me because while we don't often agree, you usually make fairly coherent arguments. ( just for the wrong side ;)
That's right. They want people who are too dumb to accurately assess a situation instantly. Just follow orders. That's the training. "All that constitutional stuff is above my head. I let my boss worry about that complicated stuff.". Kinda sucks though...damn I don't qualify to be a police officer. Apparently, not even if I wanted to be.
They're afraid of smart cops questioning the constitutionality of orders. This just paves the way for nepotism. Police chief hires smart son and grooms him for chief. They don't like competition. Anyway, these tests are like the IQ test, it really only matters to academia and bureaucrats . Just abide by the constitution and be a good human being. They should require cops go through a Vipassana course in the academy.
@Yank - As a frequent job hopper myself, you may have a point there. I could never be satisfied doing the same work decade after decade for my entire working life, or even working for the same company. Greener pastures, and you know what kind of green I'm talking about. But really, I think the police should at least have higher standards for vice, robbery, and homicide detectives.
When I was assigned as medical support to the Marines at Camp Pendleton, I saw the only base library on a base that housed 300,000 Marines and dependents closed. That same year the base opened three more clubs. When I asked the head of MWR about that, he said that the base General wanted his Marines obedient, not smart.
@Denizen_Kate The stupid marine myth is the outdated. Like all the Services now ays they are looking for the best and brightest. They don't always get them but what organization does. With the military continually relying more and more on hi-tech systems, today's Marines have to be a whole brighter than we are giving them credit for.
This article must be horribly wrong. Today's police are not at all like the police of two decades ago. Nothing anyone could say could get me to believe that any of today's police have IQs anywhere near a hundred let alone a hundred and four.
I just don't know what to say about this. It infuriates me on a level usually reserved for people that throw out "the race card" in a disagreement. This is prejudice pure and simple regardless of the justification.
High IQ people are constantly persecuted in all areas. No one wants us because they claim we get bored too quickly and won't stay around more than a few years. I had no idea that this was going on until I took a IQ test at a job interview and my headhunter screamed at me on the phone to purposely miss a few from that moment on. Unless you are going in for NASA then forget about letting them know about your high IQ but what in the hell is wrong with the police for denying a 125? He couldn't even get into the little brained Mensa. That's just a little over average.
They evidently don't want intelligent officers, so lower the standards so we are inclusive of minorities. I also take offense to other posts that indicate minorities have lower IQ scores, that statement indicates minorities are not capable of higher thought processes which is totally incorrect. We have a Black President and his IQ is not low, he is very intelligent, just uses it for bad purposes.
@Yank " This article's factual accuracy is disputed.(October 2012) The neutrality of this article is disputed.(October 2012) This article may be unbalanced towards certain viewpoints.(October 2012)"
Even the difference noted in the disputed biased studies are insignificant when speaking about high IQs. It's like comparing a batter hitting .213 to a batter hitting .218 in a discussion about players that hit over .400.
Read the favorable section and then take a week and absorb the massive unfavorable section. The guy was a fraud that was proven without a doubt to be a fraud. You cannot trust the untrustable, it'd be like believing something from the John Locke foundation, it might as well be from The Onion.