The Boy Scouts should never have never given in to a group of people who promote sexually deviant behavior. The next time the Scouts get pressured it will be to overtly allow adult homosexuals into their ranks. Then the boys will be easy pickings from homosexual pedophiles.
From World Net Daily:
REPORT: PEDOPHILIA MORE COMMON AMONG 'GAYS'
“The rate of homosexual versus heterosexual child sexual abuse is staggering,” said Judith Reisman
The Journal of Homosexuality recently published a special double-issue entitled,“Male Intergenerational Intimacy,” containing many articles portraying sex between men and minor boys as loving relationships. One article said parents should look upon the pedophile who loves their son “not as a rival or competitor, not as a theft of their property, but as a partner in the boy’s upbringing, someone to be welcomed into their home.” http://www.wnd.com/2002/04/13722/
You're right. Children don't have a strong sense of their sexuality. That's the second part of the equation. If someone Joins at 8 years old and understands that he is gay as an adolescent, what do the scouts do? Me thinks that scouts are going the way of paper media. Extinction.
I agree, I've said this before, they tell little first graders that it's ok to be gay and that gay means you like boys if you are a boy and girls if you are a girl. I hate to break it to you, but most little boys would rather eat soap than say they liked girls, most of them avoid them like the plague, same with little girls. So now these kids will think they are gay, and hey, no problem 'cause Gay is KOOL - it's neat to have two mommies or two daddies. I can see it now.
@NoGoodLiberal - Not only serious , but 100 % correct IMHO. This isn't new - watch the Little Rascals from the 1930's - they had the 'girl hating club' . Kids almost always think those of the opposite sex are 'yukky' thru grade school , anyhow.
Here's my selection. I DON'T CARE EITHER WAY. I'm sick to death of hearing about gay males crying the blues because they're not allowed to have access to minor boys. Men are not allowed to run Girl Scout troops nor Brownies. There is no reason to allow gay males to run boy scouts anymore than there is to allow straight men to run girl groups. If a gay male wants to run a scouting group they should run a girls group. End of discussion for me.
They are only talking about the boys, not the leaders. And truthfully I don't think there is a gay boy, they are boys and have not really made any decisions about their sexuality, they may be experimenting but they are not solidified in either gay or straight.
Solution is Lesbian leaders for boys and Gay men for girls but still how can you know what someone is gay without them saying? I don't believe all gay men are pedophiles just like all lesbians aren't. Most men love the girl on girl idea when gay is gay! I don't care if two men are consenting for pecker fights or not long as im not invited lol. Oh and look how so many high school to college age guys think its cool post butt fireworks, butt beer chugs or balls injuries on youtube that are straight. Now find actual gay men doing that? You won't, so now who is more gay? LOL
Steve Baldwin says his research not only “confirms that homosexuals molest children at a rate vastly higher than heterosexuals,” but it found that “the mainstream homosexual culture” even “commonly promotes sex with children.”
Larry Kramer, the founder of ACT-UP, a noted homosexual activist group, wrote in his book,“Report from the Holocaust: The Making of an AIDS Activist”:“In those instances where children do have sex with their homosexual elders, be they teachers or anyone else, I submit that often, very often, the child desires the activity, and perhaps even solicits it.” http://www.wnd.com/2002/04/13722/
@TheLoneRanger WASHINGTON (The Borowitz Report)—Supreme Court Justice Antonin Scalia, who for the past forty-seven years has served as a weekend scoutmaster for the Boy Scouts of America, angrily resigned from that position yesterday, effective immediately.
Justice Scalia quit his post in a terse resignation letter that read, in part:
“Some of the happiest memories of my adult life have been as a scoutmaster. Huddling under blankets around the campfire, and so forth. But now, all of that has been ruined. Ruined.” READ the rest of Scaila;s statement here
@fraps There is no difference. A straight pedophile will molest opposite sex. A bi sexual pedophile will molest both sexes. A gay pedophile will molest same sex. The same reason a straight man cannot run a girls scouting organization is the justification for not allowing a gay man to run a boy's scouting organization. Exactly the same.
@BossTweed Kids are just kids, and I don't see trying to divide them into classes of persons. The are not gay they are not straight, they are children that need the good things offered by BSA. Why try to place them in classes of gay/straight or even black/white and other terms we adults use that they should not be hearing about. Let them grow up before we try to classify them.
@Speedieg The Mormons are ok with gays. You can be gay in the Mormon church, you just can't be sexually active with the same sex. Which apparently means the LDS religion believes that yes, gays are born that way.
As an Eagle Scout I think it's a damn shame they won't let gay adults in scouting. I think the more men involved in Boy Scouts the better. If they are overtly flamboyant or pushing their beliefs on the scouts then the parents would pull their kids from that troop and the problem would sort itself out.
I remember when I was in Boy Scouts we knew who the gay kids were. It wasnt that hard to figure out. We didn't care. I still don't care. The more involved in scouts the better.
I do agree though if a gay boy wishes to join Girl Scouts because he feels he is female gender wise then he should be allowed to. And if a gay girl wishes to join Boy Scouts I wouldn't care.
Yes, However, tonight I heard some gay guy praise this decision and suggest that the Boy Scouts could now have informative discussions about sexuality (I'm going out on a limb here, but I'll bet it would be all about homosexuality and acceptance and all that feel good stuff - yuck!). I hope not, I don't think the Boy Scouts is the proper venue to discuss someone's sex life, anyone's sex life, let them do their merit badges and stuff and if Larry is Gay, well, he's gay, that should be the end of the conversation about that. Aren't they there to learn other things? Ewwww - really, at that age I sure didn't want to hear about anyone's sex life or what they did when they had sex, and aren't these guys a bit young as Boy Scouts to be talking about their sex life anyhow?
HUH? Where do you live. In California the Schools exist to serve Teachers Unions and their never ending demands. The kids are an after thought..........they don't have the money to fund UnionCrat campaigns like the Teachers Unions do. Californians are "progressive".
@BossTweed-- I know. I understand that the teacher's unions have a theory that if teachers have no accountability, impenetrable job security and a pension plan that bankrupts the state... everything else will follow.
"everything else will follow." There's a level of trust that society, parents and students bestow on parents that requires a responsibility. The same applies to scout leaders.
It's the same as how I believe that a student's 1st Amendment Rights shouldn't stop at the schoolhouse doors but a teacher's should... like any other employee. Similarly, a scout's rights extend further than a scout leader's rights.
Why is that so hard for teacher's unions and liberals in general to understand?
Let me try to figure this quagmire out?So openly gay boys can now join the BSA.They will change the moral values of scouting but will learn the other values of hard work , skills,respect ,and earn all of the badges maybe even become and Eagle Scout?So Joe Blow is now 18 and has been a representative of the best scouting has to offer and now wants to continue and be a leader to other young boys.AAAAh but no Joe is gay he can not do that.Get real it has taken time to open this door and the next will be even easier to open.
I'm sure many would sign up to be leaders. Gay or straight, pedophiles always put themselves in positions to have access to kids. Children are 'curious' about sex and they do not need to be indoctrinated into an abnormal sex life. I do not care what gays do, but, it is not 'normal' sexual behavior. Gays can be as 'gay' as they like, I don't want to hear about it, and I would never allow my son/ grandson to be closely involved with any man that I didn't trust with my life. Period!
Sad but true. In UnoinCrat Los Angeles the list of pedophiles being "shielded" by the Unions in the class rooms is disgusting. One male teacher actually forced young girls to eat cupcakes he had ejaculated on......complaints had been registered for years but the Unions just tranfered him around to other schools.
I'm ALL in favor of gay rights, including the right to marriage, but somehow I can't get behind forcing a PRIVATE ORGANIZATION into accepting exterior rules. I KNOW that polls have been cited, but (FALSE) polls have also been publicized claiming that 90% of NRA members favored the Toomey-Manchin-Schumer so-called Background Checks legislation. I say this because I KNOW of at least one business in Albuquerque, New Mexico, which is Lesbian owned, which WILL NOT HIRE MALES, even if they are gay, to work in the store. Either we have TOTAL COMPLIANCE with these types of social mandates, or I say we have none at all. To hell with "selective" anti-discrimination enforcement.
How is social pressure "forcing" the Boy Scouts to do anything. The voting members of the scouts voted to make this change. You can apply that same social pressure to the store you mentioned. If you can convince people that what you say is true and enough don't shop there they will adjust their policies. People like me saying that my kid will not be involved in any organization that promotes bigotry are not forcing the BSA to do anything we are just not supporting them.
When you consider that it's claimed that gays are 3.5% of the population that would average 1.750% of the gay population are male. Now you assume that 90% of those gay males have no interest in scouting any more than 90% of straight males do that leaves this who brouhaha over .075% of 1 percent of the population is being affected here. Way to go gays. You've managed to create yet another national hullabaloo over absolutely NOTHING.
@BossTweed If you want to get techincal about it, of that 0.75 of 1 percent of gay males affected would be even lower when you consider some are not eligible due to felony convictions, are in prison, are drug dealers and so on just like with the straight population. Then some don't live where there are scouting programs at all. So in reality we're talking likely about one quarter of one percent. Much ado about nothing. Life is not perfect. If a black barber says he won't cut my straight hair I didn't go ballistic. when a gay association said they didn't want my business in their "zone" because I wasn't gay I didn't go ballistic. Gays need to stop whining and get on with their lives. It's not a perfect world and it never will be. Never has been.
Step baaaaa ck into my booooooo ts. I am so glad I don't have scout age boys any more. United Way used to give money to the Boy Scouts, I don't know if they still do or not but I know if I still gave to the UW I'd stop as of today. My late husband was an Eagle Scout leader and way up there in the Eastern Ala Boy scouts. He was also on the Board of the United Way for years at work. That strange sound I'm hearing is him rolling over in his grave.