The defund Obamacare movement and subsequent shutdown represent a mammoth victory for the Tea Party grassroots that was months in the planning. But not everyone in the party likes it.
Big donors expressed their dismay at a DC meeting for supporters of Karl Rove's SuperPACS. "People are totally annoyed," said one anonymous attendee.
Outside of Rove's gathering, other donors were critical too. "The fact is, donors have had it. I will only give to individual candidates who get it," said Bobbie Kilberg, a longtime GOP donor from Virginia.
The Koch brothers have sent a public letter to GOP Senators to make clear that they do not support or endorse the shutdown as a means to defund Obamacare. That's a surprising revelation, since the Kochs were behind some of the most effective anti-Obamacare advocacy.
It is not a good thing....it is a great thing....as stubborn and intransigent as those SOB's are, they can't continue to ignore the handwriting on the wall.....calamity is coming for the GOP....there is a price to pay for right wing rigidity. The most recent Gallup poll shows a 28% approval for the GOP...THE LOWEST EVER RECORDED.....SEE'YA IN NOVEMBER OF 2014.
Vance, didnt you read the article? The whole point was that these rich gop doners are pissed about the shut down and pissed at the so called real conservatives who caused it. They say they will only be giving money to select republicans who get it (in other words they will only be giving money to RINO, s)........face it vance your side is losing badly.
You know, it's funny. Some think the Republican party has gone too far right. I think the party hasn't gone far enough to the right. It's still far too centrist for me. Trillions in debt is what decades of voting (D) will get you.
----- "In the age of the obama, liberals are a threat to America!"
The "surprising revelation" over the Koch brothers was discussed and dismantled earlier today by Dave Weigel. http://goo.gl/aTMfYz
Money Quote: "You could argue that the Kochs, like the chamber and a lot of other donors, created a Frankenstein's monster. They might not want a shutdown, they might think it's destructive to their larger cause of cutting entitlements, but they spent the money to elect a disobedient Republican Congress. Oops!
But you can't really argue that the Kochs are "deeply involved" in the shutdown strategy. Unless, you know, it sounds really good to your base to blame the villains they're familiar with for every crisis. Then go ahead, I guess."
@DARSB (cont'd) Correction, NOT solely to end the ACA. I think the oil boys have a much less public agenda that involves maintenance of their tax subsidies and resistance to green energy programs that threaten carbon-based energy companies.
Wow never could have seen this coming, LOL. Wait until SS checks stop and businesses are closing for lack of people with cash to shop. We are in the "end times" as Batshite Bachmann says..........of the GOPTBer's.
Yep. All it takes is people not buying into the "there are only 2 ways to vote!" mantra. They could actually choose the better man instead of "the lesser of two evils" Think it will happen? Yah, I won't hold my breath either.
Typical non-thinking propagandist response. When the good guys attack the corruption, call them names like anarchists and hope the mindless sheeple will believe it and be scared into wanting more big brother. Silly sheeple.
@Concerned_Cit lol, I've seen many times on here those of the far right calling themselves tea partyists that they believe that Anarchy is a far right political ideology. (because they're morons) while arguing that nazi's are far left. Time and again I've had this argument. I don't need to tell you that though, because I've had it with you. Several times. Now you're taking offense to be called an anarchist. I find it HILARIOUS.
@frigginhell I don't recall ever discussing anything with you, but I have read some of your posts and realize what you are, so I guess it's not surprising you imagine some "conversations". And who said I take offense? Project much?
@Slowmo I think it's the right word, the young people are over whelming liberal and now the GOP is losing it's key demographics, the Christians, the elderly, the wealthy and the south. Virginia is almost blue.... Virginia. It's only a matter of time before they become the 3rd party and the Libertarians take over. The GOP hasn't changed it's platform since the 60's. If it hasn't changed yet, it's not going to change.
@Ironicguy "young people are over whelming liberal"...well take into account how informed that decision likely is. And you know what they say, old Republicans were young Democrats. Also, if libertarians rise up out of the GOP establishment, so be it. They'll still be red. Just because the party ideology evolves doesn't mean it's dying. And, I'm all for a more libertarian conservative movement. If a VIABLE libertarian candidate comes up and can make it, I'll vote for them in a minute.
@Slowmo " old Republicans were young Democrats" makes sense, considering the democratic party used to be just as conservative as the GOP is today. We aren't giving the young people enough credit, they know wrong when they see it. They have their own set of morals, and they know which side agrees with their ideas. And the GOP just doesn't connect with the young people. Who happen to think there is nothing wrong with gays, Muslims, or sex. I haven't seen any real evolution in the GOP, the only change is that it's corruption became a lot more damaging than Reagan selling weapons to Nicaragua or Nixon breaking into hotels. I'd vote for a candidate if they were good for America, regardless of their political party.
It's no wonder people hate the tea party. Big money hates them because they can't be bought (unlike the left and the right), the liberals hate them because they have a backbone and don't waffle, and other republicans hate them because they make them look weak and unwilling to stick to their principles.
That's a remarkably unrealistic assessment. "Can't be bought"? Dick Armey and I shared a quiet chuckle over that. "Have a backbone and don't waffle"? That's great, I suppose, but when having that backbone means you're still carrying on about the "Kenyan President" 5 years later that's maybe the worst kind of "backbone" to have.
The Tea Party is a fringe group on the edges of the GOP. Judson Phillips made a great deal of noise in 2009 about the TP being a "movement", not a party, and its umbilical to the establishment Republican party remains intact.
This week, that GOP's favorability rating in Gallup's tracking poll bottomed at 28%. No other party has cratered so dramatically in modern times. http://goo.gl/2FFk
The old "If they hate us we must be right" idea is comforting in times like these, but it won't do a thing to reverse the revulsion with which Americans currently view the Tea Party and its Republican enablers.
@DARSB it might be that finally mass public disapproval has had an effect on politicians decision making, it doesn't really matter anyways though, one of the biggest cogs in the machine of stupidity is the first one that will turn when they start the government again... i am referring to the bill they all agreed (preemptively) to pass allowing the wall street bankers to gamble with tax payer money and social securities. this was supported by almost all of them, regardless of whether they claim to be blue or red.
DARSB you're one of few sober minded ones on this website
you know what bud, here in canada even with the laws for lobbying that keeps it relatively controlled... we still have issues with lobbying influence... like voice and authority, i think i have literally just changed my mind on the matter right now. i would rather no lobbying, period.
I said a couple of weeks ago that the shutdown would continue until the rich folks got nervous and began to squeeze the parties. Until then they could give a diddly what we thought or if it affected us. If one didn't think Money talked until then, well....
I'm certain they are noticing "the masses" are starting to "bond." This poses very big problems for the huge corps and their elected minions. Lets see if their greed blinds them or if finally Boehner and his ilk finally found their .alls.
@Rocker I was reading about this very thing. May not get pressure from globals. Think they may benefit from a default is what Business Insider was indicating. If Wall Street sees they can benefit more from that you better believe the rats will be jumping the sinking ship. One can be hopeful:) Making the middle class poor by taxing them to give to the poorer, makes the rich, ultra high value rich. Their numbers and fortunes are growing greater than ever. While "the masses" are exponentially getting poorer.
It amazes me how many people just don't get it! We can't keep making the same mistakes over & over & expecting different results. Our national debt has been growing for decades during good times & bad & raising the debt limit just keeps the insanity going. WE MUST TAKE A STAND! When our two party system is broken & the Democrat party has become socialists, there is no common ground other than SPENDING SPENDING SPENDING on the socialists welfare voting block. When 50% of Americans pay no taxes & want Government to take care of them, the Socialist party will never negotiate or compromise before or after the shutdown. They no longer fear the tax payers because we are the minority. Unless all tax payers come together & scream in one voice CUT SPENDING & quit blaming the party of sanity, our nation is done for.
@Paultron So you are saying that the corporate makes people pull the lever to vote for democrats? When the poll questions are asked it is the corporate that makes people blame the GOP more for the shutdown? Romney said it all when he mentioned the 47% who pay no taxes & will vote for the Democrats no matter what he says or does. Does the corporate make the GOP always try to cut spending & cut taxes while the Democrats always want to raise spending & taxes? I will agree it is big money that helps fund election campaigns & influence bills in Congress but when it comes to who people vote for, it is all about the power of biased media & our new age culture that wants others to support them.
See what happens when folks allow themselves to be USED, they are disrespected and treated like garbage on the side of the road. Now that REALITY is about to hit, they folks behind the curtain are all jumping in the air balloon to leave all those they ginned up alone and holding the bag. This is going to be delicious.
@ SAS86 : So who do you want big money to throw their money to then? You do understand that attack adds don't pay for themselves? If big money sits out next years election and republicans lose control of the house giving it back to Pelosi .... would this be worth it?
the GOP lost the vote, they keep saying that the democrats won't negotiate BUT they did already. they cut 80 billion from the plan, it just so happens most people are beginning to realize the tea party and most of the GOP have been lying