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  • #1
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    Yea, the USSR had those same ideals and look what happened to them...This is a path towards ruin, you can take that to the bank.
  • #25
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    Your side has shifted politics a long way to the right so when Warren drags the nation left she is doing nothing more than undoing the damage you caused. We are not moving towards the USSR we are moving back to pre tea party days.
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    @TheKangaroo - That is absolute nonsense. A fire department is employed by TAXPAYERS for a job. Public unions have attempted to turn them into a socialist enterprise. Thankfully, many firemen still desire to serve the taxpayers rather than their bank accounts.
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    I agree. We also need more major parties, not fewer. I'm ALWAYS concerned when people become radicalized- no matter if from the Left or the Right- and especially when they start calling some of the Bill of Rights Amendments obsolete or unnecessary.
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    @NolanVoyd
    I want to make my own decisions, and don't enjoy dictatorial type laws, such as the ACA. We are regulated in too many aspects of our lives already.
  • #86
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    Me neither. If we ever had a left to speak of in this country, that is.

    I'm all for less government. Let's keep it out of women's vaginas, and then we can talk. But as long as you right-wingers promote rape wands and waiting periods for abortion you're the party of big government.
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    If you like the way Obama Care is going...then you'll love the way the Left does things too!

    Let's see how stupid the majority is then in America...or Amerika.
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    Unfortunately we have WAY too many public school educated (indoctrinated) children voting at the age of 18 (the majority of those we call Low Information Voters), well before they mature and way before they actually, if ever, have a decent job and actually begin to pay attention to the amount of taxes they have to shell over to the government. Those who live off the largess and hard work of others seldom care how the government spends the tax money the gather, as long as some of it comes their way they will vote in the Santa Clause Faction over and over again.
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    @Poltal LOL yourself, unlike YOU, I actually do all my thinking based on what I learn and read and research. Now, if Rush is channeling ME - not much I can do about that. Thinking for oneself is fun, you may want to try it sometime. Those boring DNC talking points get old very quickly, but, just in case you missed the latest "Talking Point" put out by the DNC on how and whom to blame for the fiasco called Obamacare, it's "Those pesky Republicans" who have messed up the roll out, who somehow caused the mess of a web site and who are causing the site to crash and burn with some regularity. You're welcome, now you don't have to wait for further instructions from your guides.
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    @Tralee Yes, I am sure you both came up with the term "Low information voters" at teh same time......Coincidentally! LOL Come on!

    Too Funny!
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    @TheKangaroo you think that they can cost tens of millions of Americans to lose their insurance, and a vast majority more to be forced to pay 35-600% more for insurance and not pay a political price for that? You keep believing that!

    Democrats...including Hillary, are distancing themselves from this train wreck, but it's too late!

    Mark it down! You are going to lose...and lose huge!
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    @TheKangaroo the funny thing is, when they DO lose, you still won't believe it'll have anything to do with Obamacare. Instead, you'll blame democrat losses on some old dirty republican trick just so you can keep believing you're right and preserving your justification to spew hatred at someone. Nevermind legitimate mistakes Dems have made and blatant lies they've told to the American people. You're a fanatic. That's a fact.
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    When politics are left centric, it means more spending and as a result more debt. More government regulation and as a result more restrictions on small business and our economy. Larger government and as a result a smaller private sector. The lefties are in bed with the bankers and corporations just as much as those on the right, so don't be fooled by the rhetoric.
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    When has any conservative ever cut spending? Not nixon, Reagan, or Either Bush. the Anti-spending conservative is a myth!
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    @Poltal Look at where the money goes under conservatives...to businesses...that hire people. Lefties just want to beef up entitlements and give money away to people without anything in return. We need more people working, not sucking off the government teat.
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    @Poltal Wrong. That is a leftist lie.

    The reason for the 2008 recession was too much investment in housing, energy and commodities. The Case-Shiller housing index blew past its usual secular peak of a 15% increase and went up by 90%. Oil did even more, retracing the upward march to $35 a barrel it had made in the 1990s, this time not stopping till it crashed through $100. And gold, which had been parked at about $300 an ounce for two decades, kept lifting its head up after 2003 such that it was brushing $1,000 by crisis time. This had nothing to do with Bush. These markets grew too fast.

    If you want to point fingers, let's look at the Community Reinvestment Act courtesy of your buddy Jimmy Carter and strengthened by Bill Clinton. The CRA forced banks to make risky loans to sub-prime borrowers, thereby fueling the out of control housing market and allowing buyers to buy more house than they could afford. The obvious happened, and that was the start of the crash. The weak US dollar was also a big contributor to the crash as well. The loss in value of the US $ was horrible for the value of our exports due to the fact that the dollar lost nearly 30% in value as the crash progressed.

    Were some of these things Bush's fault. Sure. I think banking reform was long overdue. But to blame this entirely on Bush is short sighted, naive and well, just plain wrong. Obama certainly bungled the management of the budding crisis with the help of his buddy Barney Frank and I blame Obama and his failed Porcubus "economic recovery" bill that didn't create a single job (although it lined the pockets of plenty of Obama campaign donors).
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    The real test is coming over the next three election cycles to see if the citizens of the US are starting to wake up. The attack on the private sector is already showing the base problem with socialism, you run out of other peoples money, and there is no incentive to over-achieve. The "progressive" movement represents failure across the globe and the desire to bring that failure here, to the applause of the msm and those who believe them.
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    Just out of curiosity. I realize that you probably believe what you are saying but I am wondering where you get such bad information.

    Here are some facts for you to consider:

    •Personal disposable income has grown nearly 6 times more under Democratic presidents
    •Gross Domestic Product (GDP) has grown 7 times more under Democratic presidents
    •Corporate profits have grown over 16% more per year under Democratic presidents (they actually declined under Republicans by an average of 4.53%/year)
    •Average annual compound return on the stock market has been 18 times greater under Democratic presidents (If you invested $100k for 40 years of Republican administrations you had $126k at the end, if you invested $100k for 40 years of Democrat administrations you had $3.9M at the end)
    •Republican presidents added 2.5 times more to the national debt than Democratic presidents
    •The two times the economy steered into the ditch (Great Depression and Great Recession) were during Republican, laissez faire administrations
    http://www.forbes.com/sites/adamhartung/2012/...
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    @NolanVoyd I've seen the numbers and like everything else there is more to the story depending on how long it takes for a policy to effect the overall economy. Just like every time there has been a tax cut, the revenues to the Treasury have gone up in the following years. But that's history, to properly analyze the results a study of the polices and bills passed would be required. So I have no problem saying that the numbers you presented for the past are accurate.

    So now looking forward, the dems would like to nationalize the health care market which would make the federal govt the main source of GDP. Even Keynesian economics says that this is a recipe for disaster. So let's put a few more things out there:

    Under obama:
    The participation in the workforce is down.
    The disparity between rich and poor is greater.
    Race relations are perceived as worse.
    No budget for the federal govt since somewhere around 2008.
    Relations with other countries has deteriorated.

    The list goes on, so if we could get a dem president like JFK who to stimulate the economy called for lower taxes, not to mention the "what you can do for your country" speech, with a republican majority in congress and senate things might turn out okay. I don't see the strength in either party to make the necessary changes.
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    @NolanVoyd Why believe facts when you have Fox News to feed you the corporate BS lines. The right will never get it. They live in the fantasy world that they may someday be rich just like their corporate masters who they bow down to and spout out their ridiculous tirades on how it is all the poor's fault they are poor. Who needed the bailouts in '08?? Maybe those banks should have been more responsible.
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    I think it is the root of all the problems we have in Washington. Remember the tea party movement was born out of conservative opposition to Obamacare, increased taxes and increased spending.
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    @AceLuby Sigh ------------------ no it wasn't, but keep spouting those DNC talking points and lies - it gives the rest of us such a laugh. We all need a bit of cheer in our lives.
  • #43
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    @AceLuby The tea party is a complete Koch Bros product like any other., WIthout Freedomworks, they never would have gone anywhere!
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    @Tralee This is when you know a conservative is afraid, they all instantly stop discussing the issue and go with silly insulting one-liners in a desperate attampt to avoid the topic!
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  • #29
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    Only the far left would applaud this. Far left liberals have a strange mindset, one that truly believes that taking from the hard worker the proceeds of that work and giving it to someone who does not wish to work hard is a good thing. They are the ones behind Obamacare. A plan that takes away a perfectly good health care plan from person A so they can then pay MORE for LESS care, lose the doctor of their choice, the hospital of their choice so person B can get free health care. To a liberal it's fine to penalize someone who DARED to have the healthcare of their choice, that they liked by taking it away so they can in turn pay more to benefit someone else. To a liberal, this makes some sort of sense. What next? Take away all those big houses that people DARED to spend their hard earned money for and turn them into FREE apartments for the masses? Oh, right, they DID that once, in Russia.
  • #252
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    NO ONE "pays more for less card" under the Affordable Care Act. Most will pay the same or less, for more care. A tiny percentage will pay more, again for more care.
  • #260
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    @Cal Yes, that was a case of my fingers going faster than my thoughts. They pay more for more care and excessive care that they do not need. They also have a much higher deductible than they had. The majority ARE paying more for less - not coverage - but not the doctor of their choice or even the hospital of their choice. Most I have heard are paying more (those not subsidized) and facing a $7000 to $10,000 deductible. In other words, I was correct, those who had perfectly fine coverage, coverage of their CHOICE, no longer have that, they now have to have what the government tells them is their coverage of their choice, lots and lots of unnecessary and expensive coverage because the government needs them to pay a ton more so 10% of the population can get free coverage. Talk about throwing the baby out with the bathwater! This is not a good deal for anyone other than those with preexisting conditions (easily fixed without this mess) and those not poor enough to get Medicare - as I said about 10% of the population. For that 10% the other 90% have had to lose the coverage they had and liked. I don't NEED, Maternity coverage, pediatric eye exam coverage, pediatric coverage and so on.
  • #14
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    There should have been a choice of "I don't care".

    There is nothing "progressive" about them. They seem to have their "collective" heads in the sand about the laws that govern economics. The history books are full of examples of countries that followed the same path the "progressives" follow that have either disappeared from the atlas or become 3rd rate powers. Shall we discuss the Roman Empire, the Byzantine Empire, the Soviet Union? "To each according to his ability, to each according to his need".

    China followed their path for many years under the Communists. It was dirt poor. Recently it has moved away from it. They are now an economic power to be reckoned with and are a player on the international political stage.

    "Those that will not learn the lessons of history are doomed to repeat them".
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    @AceLuby

    I'll agree that the Reagan administration spent too much but look at our debt history. Things were bad before the `80s. And have gotten worse since then.
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    Expanding SS, a true jobs bill (NOT tax cuts!), raise taxes on those who have the most, get more money flowing through the economy... it's just what makes sense. We need solutions that get more money flowing, and after 30 years,16 trillion in new debt, and a floundering economy except for those like the Waltons doesn't show you that giving more money to those who have the most is not a good economic policy, nothing will convince you. Enjoy your new corporate states of america.
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    Spoken like one who does not have to worry about any of those tax increases actually HITTING him in the wallet. Right?
  • #60
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    Jobs bill, aka stimulus, aka "shovel ready jobs;" None of it worked out with nearly $1T spent that amounted to nothing.

    Government has no money of its own and therefore cannot created jobs. It can, however, create an environment for the private sector, which has the money, to do so.

    A true jobs bill would be laws and regulations to make it easier for the private sector to do business and hire people. The biggest obstacle, which was created by Dems, is now Obamacare and its fines and regulations to employers.
  • #75
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    What would be a fair level of taxation on the "rich"? And who are the rich? Bear in mind, that this discussion must take in account all levels of taxation...federal, state, local, excise, sales, capital gains, estate, user fees, surcharges, Medicaid, FICA... When all is said and done, those same people you vilify are paying the govt more than they keep. Is that fair?
  • #163
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    @TheKangaroo Well kangaroo....you are consistent with your lot. I ask specifically what would be fair, and you give me platitudes. How much should our loving and gracious government allow us to keep from our toils? 50%? 25%? 10%? 1%?
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  • #69
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    Lets see they have destroyed work ethics, run up incredible bills, attacked religion at every corner, restricted constitutional rights, stolen more and more money from the tax payer to pay for their votes. Well thats only 5 but no other major ones come to mind.
  • #113
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    Religion has no place in government. If you want more people off government assistance then support them making a livable wage. You are already subsidizing what the corporations should be paying their workers. Stop blaming those who are just trying to get by and be angry with the ones who make record profits and refuse to pay living wages because they know the government is paying.
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  • #116
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    These right wing nut jobs will be a thing of the past pretty soon. Once the Conservatives Baby Boomers die off, this country can finally move on to progress. At the same time, making the the young conservatives a very small minority party.
  • #161
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    @WinstonSmith That explains how the right wing advanced itself via Mccarthyism, race hatred, phony wars, sexual fears, and fear of nonwhites
  • #205
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    @Zazziness
    Today's liberals indulge in a hypocritical racism in categorizing people by race. "You just don't think black," is the sick comment I've frequently been told.
    Stop counting folks by skin-color; start assessing them by their ideas. A novel idea?
  • #96
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    Politics has not moved to the left, it has become more polarized. As the middle class is destroyed, the pendulum will swing away from the left's elitism (no, not populism) but will it stay there for a while, and will it go to the right or to the libertarian side?
  • #112
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    Indeed, This country is gearing up for a huge swing to the right.
    Millions are witnessing "The Failure" of the left.
    NO Jobs, Weak Foreign Policy, Middle Class destroyed, and they aren't enjoying it, Now Forced Obamacare..redistribution of wealth, Increased foodstamps, Benghazi, IRS intrusion, and much much more. People witnessed the left stealing your personal liberty.
    The left is in trouble, and people will be leaving the left in droves soon.
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    @Vance1 it is easy to see that by the 2016 election that people will be so sick of the left that they'd even elect Ron Paul if he could get the nomination. How about after that, though? What happens if we elect Big Government Republicans and they screw up the economy? I'm afraid we'll alternate parties every 8 years and nothing will ever get much better.
  • #70
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    Let them shift to the Left ... with the disaster called ObamaCare .... that should all but assure their removal from office!

    On the right, we have the scumbags who repeatedly sell their voter base out for backroom deals .... hopefully their voted out too.

    Maybe in 2014 we'll finally have a majority in D.C. who'll represent the people for once!
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