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  • #4
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    What is it about politicians of Mr Cheney's generation and their actions regarding black leaders? How many times did John McCain vote against making Martin Luther King's birthday a holiday?
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    So it is about racism and not because Mandela was the head of MK as they engaged in bombing attacks against the government?
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    Mandela's ANC was engaging in terrorism back then. Talking to those who lived through it gives quite a different picture than what I grew up knowing.
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    What is it about Americans who have no clue about Mandela's ties, bonds, and past activities. Regardless of Color.

    As a man of color I deplore his imprisonment. But also deplore his violent activities & connections to die hard Communists.
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    Agreed. Mandela might have softened over time, and rehabilitated his reputation, but that does not excuse his early activities.
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    @CaryNickel
    True. And if things had been reversed and whites were being suppressed by the blacks, there would still be no excuse for the whites to become violent and try to overthrow them.
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    The man was a terrorist and was actively working to arm his organizations to engage in acts of violence. He both formed and chaired the terrorist group MK.
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    I am not sure how so many people can be so ignorant of Mandela's terrorist past. He was not arrested and imprisoned because of racism, he was arrested for sedition (which he admitted to) and then after his arrest he was found to be the head of the MK terrorist group. That is why he was in jail for 24 years.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nelson_Mandela#R...
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    If Cheney believed Mandela to be a terrorist and a communist then his position was an honest one and is not deserving of criticism. Sorry folks, truth does hurt.
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    I find it odd that so many didn't feel that the leader of the terrorist group MK was a terrorist.
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    @Yank They ignore what they do not like. He and his wife had a history of violence and extreme communism. His wife was the more deadly of the two. The one thing he did that changed the world for the good was ending apartheid. That earned him everlasting accolades but does not eradicate his other negative attributes.
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    If we looked at all the people Cheney thought was a commie, you'd likely come to a different opinion.

    Cheney saw commie threats everywhere.
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    @Yank Yes, he was. So were our founding fathers. They both used fear, intimidation, and violence to change societal or government activities. One man's terrorist is another's freedom fighter.
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    Mandela was a terrorist at one point, involved in car bombs, bombing of government buildings, and many acts of terror. Great he changed his ways, bravo for him. But facts are facts.
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    It was George W. Bush who signed the order taking Mandela off the terror watch list. NOT Bush, Sr., NOT Bill Clinton (though two terms), but George W. Bush...with Dick Cheney as VP. Times change, people's views change, reputations can be rehabilitated. But that does not totally erase their earlier beliefs, or actions.
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    Why should he apologize for his beliefs at that time in history? Notice the word "most congressmen" above. I have heard of no Democrat or liberal expressing his regret! But at this time it has been deemed Politically Correct to attack VP Cheny on any thing that can be laid at his door!
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    More than half of the dems who voted to invade Iraq have openly expressed regret for their decision. Baucus, Bayh, Biden, Carper, Dodd, Feinstein, Harkin, Kerry, Kohl, Landrieu, Nelson (FL), and Rockefeller...

    Three pubs expressed regret for supporting the invasion. Snowe, Smith, and Hagel.
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    The post was about VP Cheny and his congressional vote naming Mandala a Terrorist, not about the anti-Bush votes concerning the war in Iraq.
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    It is as expected from the conservative side of things. They never admit they were wrong. They believe if you say something enough the masses will believe it whether true or not.
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    @Real4WheelDrv The economy is getting stronger, despite our politicians wanting the opposite.
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    http://rhodesia.nl/goodcom.html

    Mandela's adulation of Castro and Cuba almost outshines that of his own admirers. In May of 1990 Mandela, visiting America, went on record, referring to Cuba:

    There's one thing where that country stands out head and shoulders above the rest. That is in its love for human rights and liberty.

    But you will find nothing shocking in the article. Sounds like a typical progressive lib today.
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    @drpeeper Well true communism is the closest form of government to righteous in terms of biblical teaching that there is. A classes society where each member contributes according to his means and no one is lifted above the other economically. I'm not advocating for it simply stating a fact. Our current form of government shifts wealth from the bottom to the top the opposite of communism. It works great for me.
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    @AceLuby

    It's not that they want the opposite, but that they are indifferent to the plight of the people, and loyal to the plutocracy.
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    Why should he be sorry for a vote thirty years ago. The liberal left will do almost anything to vilify a great American who spent his life serving America. You may not like him but that is only your opinion.
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    Cheney served America??? He's a "great American"?

    No, he served himself. He's a crook.

    You may like him, but that is only your opinion.
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    He served as a congressman, chief of staff in the white house, secretary of defense and finally two terms as Vice-President, Yes I consider that to be serving the country. Of course liberals have a different opinion but that is because for the most part they are idiots who care nothing about this great country.
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    @fscott777 He did all of those things at GREAT personal gain, all while the middle class all but disappeared. The policies he espouses are the direct cause of the downfall of the United States. The only thing we're number 1 in is war spending, where he makes personal profit off of. He literally did nothing for the betterment of our once great country.
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    @fscott777 - Cheney used his positions as congressman, chief of staff, sec of defense and VP to bolster his own power...

    I do not consider that "serving the country"... I fail to see how we all benefitted from his "service"... what exactly did he contribute that makes us all better people today?
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    Remember what I said about liberals be idiots, enough said. You two should blame Bush since that seems to be your favorite line.
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    Cheney has no room to talk... He should shut up. He's a war pig. A terrorist by his own definition. Too bad our country has refused to put him in prison where he belongs, and some Americans still care what he thinks.
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    Well I guess we will see when he dies if the whole world proclaims he's a savior that walked on water.
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    why the F should he? I would say the left should apologize to the black community for encouraging mental slavery with promises of 'free money' and other gov't programs designed to promote dependence.@PolitixMary do you think he should apologize for not supporting a group widely recognized at the time as terrorist in nature? Or is it something more convenient to discuss than the meltdown of liberal logic? I'd say Ted Cruz has been vindicated in the last two months.
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    @Cal Don't even try that crap with me. I don't dally with PC bullsh!t. That's exactly what it is. White guilt is not a part of my psychology. My family did not exist in this country prior to 1917, to the best of my knowledge. So even the vague notion that I should resent my ancestors due to the African slaves that were sold to white men by black African slave owning kings doesn't even make a scratch. I don't make excuses for my children and I do not coddle them either. I'm pretty darn honest. And i'm sure as hell not going to coddle someone because of the color of their skin. They want to be seen as equal they can toe the line, just like I am not the equal of anyone of color just because of the color of my skin. My acts make me who I am. Gov't welfare can be a form of slavery regardless of the color of ones skin. Nelson Mandela was a damn good man and no one can take that away from him, but Dick Cheney is not Hitler because he made an educated decision. I am not convinced that he made the decision just to suppress blacks, nor am I trying to prove his innocence. The continuous attempts at misdirection on this site get under my skin in a serious way. It should be a case of celebrating Nelson Mandelas life, not taking a glancing political shot at a former VP. The more the current administration screws up, the more frantic the articles become and the farther they stray from truth and more towards supporting Liberal talking points.
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    @Cal that response was a bit long, i'm not trying to be hasty I had to answer three phone calls while I was typing. didn't realize I went on a rant till I posted it.
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    @Cal No actually it is part of a system that in effect keeps people from breaking the bonds that hold them back, or it can. It is not always bad in my opinion. Hell look at the founding member of Planned Parenthood, again welfare, who had initially intended to use the water supply to sterilize minorities in the ghetto's to keep their population under control. Interesting that 79% of planned parenthood facilities are in what could be called minority neighborhoods.http://www.lifes itenews.com/news/how-planned-p arenthood-targets-blacks-and-h ispanics-new-interactive-onlin e. I tried to find one that wasn't obviously from a pro life site, but they are out there. It has some good links tho. Welfare can be a form of slavery in that it can be used to control a group, not just through abortions obviously, but on many levels. Like giving someone a project home to live in securely rather than encouraging them out of the projects.
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    When Mandela was released from prison, I saw via a live BBC satellite feed, Mandela being interviewed on a balcony with a giant red flag adorned with a gold Communist hammer and sickle; this being the same flag that the ANC usually marched behind.

    The interviewer asked Mandela if he was going to go back to blowing up women and children.

    Later that evening on American TV, I saw the same video of Mandela being interviewed but without the sound and the gold hammer and sickle being cut out of view; the American commentator said "here is the hope of South Africa".

    Did he change direction and live up to the hype of the news media?

    Cheney was correct about Mandela being a Communist when he was released.
  • #160
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    @Yank

    Oddly enough, while you have amply documented that he was a revolutionary, no evidence is presented that he was an actual terrorist.
  • #163
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    @Cincinnatus clearly you didn't read those. Is blowing up bombs that targets civilians the act of a terrorist or a revolutionary?

    His quote from his trial,“[I]t would be wrong and unrealistic for African leaders to continue preaching peace and nonviolence at a time when the government met our peaceful demands with force. It was only when all else had failed, when all channels of peaceful protest had been barred to us, that the decision was made to embark on violent forms of political struggle.”

    There was a reason why he was on the terrorist watch list until 2008. Under his leadership the ANC and MK committed 156 bombings. Here is a blog that details many of them.

    http://www.netcomuk.co.uk/~springbk/enemy.htm...

    Since it seems you are so far in denial that I doubt you will every care or bother to read any of these sources (It is clear you didn't read the 1st 3). Go Google "Mandela bombings" if you need more proof.
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