A Employers Added 155,000 Jobs in December

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justapirate

That's just looking at a little part of a much bigger picture. Yeah, it's darn nice that some folks got some jobs but when you consider how many of are are actually out here languishing it's just not something to brag about.
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    Would you prefer the pre Obama years when we were losing jobs ??
    Considering the effects of Sandy, and the CT Shooting. I think the job creation numbers are outstanding. Better to be moving in the right direction isn't it??
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    @martydotcom I'm thinking the vast majority of those new jobs are minimal wage and/or temporary. You wanna impress me tell me my job came back to this shore. I'd like the opportunity to have a positive influence on our markets and productivity once more. These numbers can be quickly traded off for what was lost and what doesn't exist any more and the extent to what they can do for what our economy needs I would be more than a little pessimistic of.
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    @justapirate They are 58 percent low wage... The bigger issue is that there are more than high wage jobs going unfilled or filled with HIB visas from by Indian, Chinese, etc . because our school are not turning out technically capable individuals. Job training has been deemed too expensive by the Tea Party dominated HR. No funding for Obama offered plans. So here are the high paying jobs you'd like to see.

    http://www.americanthinker.com/blog/2012/10/6...

    http://stemwire.org/2012/10/03/supply-demand-...

    http://www.nytimes.com/2012/06/28/business/sm...
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    @martydotcom Moving in the right direction?

    Effects of Sandy?

    Wouldn't rebuilding the region mean CREATION of JOBS in construction and manufacturing?

    Effects of the Connecticut shootings?

    People lost their jobs because of that? People stayed home? People suspended their Christmas? Sorry but THAT'S too big a stretch even for Axelshaft and his boy.

    The job market is stagnant.... number of jobs added should cause a decrease in unemployment.... that's basic math. If the unemployment percent is remaining the same with new jobs being created, it means other jobs are being lost.

    Moving in the right direction? Standing Still is NOT moving at all. You can live on "Hope" for "Change" that we'll eventually move "FORWARD" but that's not going to happen with this regime.
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    @martydotcom The bit about no 'qualified' candidates amuses me. We've got an Enterprise Rentacar place 30 miles from here that needs someone with a degree to work the counter. We've got a used car lot that needs a degreed person to sell those used cars. You wanna guess who can't find qualified applicants?
    I've lived an interesting life. I've done the grunt work- construction labor, garbage truck driver, floor sweeper aaaaaand I've been a General Manager twice, corporate VP twice, plant superintendant and held a couple of other really nice positions. Never bothered to even get me a G.E.D. until last year.(I'm a grey-haired old coot now.)LOL, guess I just wasn't 'qualified' per modern criteria, only capable.

    We've got degreed people from NASA and JPL running to the Smithsonian and Wright-Pat trying to figure out just how the heck we put a man on the moon while using slide rules and less computing power than I'm using sitting right here at my desk.
    The problem isn't a lack of 'qualified' people available. The problem is an unrealistic 'qualifier'. We just don't use the resources we have available while in search of some mythical creature that's, umm, perfect.
    This is just another little problem we have today. Nirvana doesn't exist so we need to start using what we have- which is a whole bunch of untapped initiative.
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    @justapirate question... when your job went overseas were you offered the opportunity of moving with it? i'm only asking because that's what general electric did during the 70s and 80s when they shipped the large steam turbine department to china in order to follow the demand for the product, rather than paying to have millions of tons of product across the pacific at exorbitant prices... they offered to move the people from engineering right down to the lowest factory floor worker along with their families to china with the work.
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    @dances-weebles Wasn't even an option in my mind. I'm an American. I'm gonna live in America. There's been a few times where I couldn't just sell my soul in pursuit of a buck.
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    @justapirate that's funny... i'm an american, also. i've lived in hongkong, several parts of japan, australia, and in london. now i'm living in brasil... and i'm no less american than i was when i started out.

    living in other locations isn't selling one's soul, silly. it's fun, it's exciting, and it's educational. there's more to this planet than the u.s. and by saying otherwise all you're saying is that the world terrifies you.

    have you ever heard,'people have feet, not roots. we're not trees so we should never stand in one place for long.'
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    @dances-weebles I am what PC folk call 'Native American'. What I classify myself as sends folks into conniptions. This is my home. I have no problem travelling and have done much. I always come home, though. Some things are important.
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    @justapirate The problem is lack of qualified people at the right location or willing to relocate... Start using what we have today... what are you saying use people train for the technology of yesteryear? Those resources are you refer to are now 60yrs old do you know any company willing to hire and invest in training a 60 yr.. Get real
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    @martydotcom What I'm saying is we have strange idea of what qualified is now. I am far less impressed with a degree than I am ability. This country has a glut of what we call 'unqualified' personell that can do most of the jobs quite well.
    To give you an example- I was a vice president in charge of market development and boy did I develope. You don't get that position by being stupid. Guess who was considered 'unqualified' to sell those used cars I mentioned earlier, because I don't have a degree.
    To me, this is the problem now in this country. Haven't got the brains to use the assets we have and moan because we can't find what we want. Pretty sad really.
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    @justapirate Qualified means fits the job description plain and simple. The need for a degree always have ben overridden by experience.(non tech type positions). You want employer's to train people, fine give the employer a tax incentive to do so and to cover start up costs of the employee
    . I ran an Executive Search Consulting Business with I sold 50+ Franchises Don't tell me you know qualified and anyone can do the job that's just a tad simplistic. by your thinking you're going to pay someone $150k because YOU think they're nice guys and can do the job?? They may not have any relevant experience but you like them. What world do you live in?
    That explains why everyone always called HR worthless when it came to recruiting. We got paid 30% of first years total compensation to do HR's job. Your Sales (market development) is a function the depth of your Rolodex and willingness to bust your hump, to use your era's terms. With NO experience and a lot of hard work how long would it take to develop relationships of any extent
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    @martydotcom I see you're part of the problem. Being able to recognize assets is a necessity for development. Wasting assets is just not good business.
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    @justapirate
    Please explain to me how a 60 yr old out of work from an unrelated business is an asset?? When an Asset is defined as Anything tangible or intangible that is capable of being owned or controlled to produce value. Where is my ROI on retraining that asset?
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    @martydotcom OK, you're really making some assumptions there and in your previous post. Where were you considering placing that 60 year old? Did you have a 30 year old that was more capable? Would the 60 year old have better insight in the needs required of the position? Is the 30 year old a better negotiator? Does the 60 year old present an image we want the company to project? Is the 30 year old in a rush to finish what he's doing because the weekend is here? Um, what position are we talking about?

    Whether I like someone or not is only a small part of the equation. I've fired friends. I've hired people I really didn't like. All depends on the position and the capabilities. I've promoted potheads who were excellent at their job. I've fired religious folks that let their personal feelings affect what they were doing.

    I've hired people making it clear I was taking them for a test drive. Holding a sheepskin doesn't mean they're what the position needed. I never place someone in a higher position until I see they have the aptitude for it.

    Tax breaks for new hires and training is nice but an investment in a machine or a person isn't about the tax break. It's about whether the company will benefit from the production brought with the package.

    How many differing cans of worms do we need to open here?