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    Who cares about what Medicare did? Medicare needs reformed anyway...

    Because right now, we have this law that is raising costs, complicating healthcare, leading to lost hours, hurting employment, will cost states more money in a few years, will cost taxpayers money, will substantially increase the debt! It's called Obamacare and we need to get rid of it!
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    I always find it very fascinating when people suddenly become concerned about the American economy whenever their man and political party isn't in office.
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    @Laradian I always find it very fascinating when people suddenly become ignorant about the American economy whenever their man and political party is in office
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    They are screaming and working so hard to tell us this is something good, it's comical. Worse than a desperate girlfriend lol

    Medicare? yeah....Billions in waste and fraud every year. And Social Security-. The ultimate Ponzi scheme.

    Just be glad the people who couldn't even get a website going- are entrusted with you and your children LOL.
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    @drpeeper
    I'm not sure that I completely agree with that. Well at least in my case personally because I don't give a rat's behind about the economy one way or the other no matter who's in control.

    I just believe that somehow things will somehow sort themselves out. Therefore I see no need to politicize the economy just because there is a despicable Republican president.
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    @GeekHillbilly oh because you say so? Lol "nuff said". That's quite the compelling argument. When a site runs articles such as "How to Win Every Obamacare Argument - No Exceptions - in One Chart", one can safely say its not a right-wing site.
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    @Ryunkin you think the stories that Politix runs is 70% pro-conservative? 70% of the stories (up until very recently) was posted up by Mary. And she's certainly not pro-conservative.
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    The only problem with this, despite the spin, is that all those other entitlements are running out of money and that the people taking Medicare and SS payments or benefits PAID FOR THEM in advance. I certainly wish I had all the money (we paid the max into SS for 38+ years - we are darn sure going to try to recoup some of our losses by taking our money back, at least some of it) not in SS but in a simple Vanguard account. We would be so far ahead of the game it wouldn't even compute.
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    SS will have plenty of money. Obama is going to issue an executive order that exempts Republicans from applying for or receiving SS benefits. That should extend the life of SS all the way through 2099. Republicans have principles, and wouldn't be causght dead accepting entitlements, anyway. This is a no-brainer and really, should have been suggested by Paul Ryan or Ted Cruz as part of their run for 2016. It is a Win-Win-Win scenario for the country.
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    @Unfit2serve Since when is SS and entitlement. We paid for it. Maybe you didn't since you probably are on welfare since you are unfit2serve.
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    @Unfit2serve LOL - what part of we paid into the required & mandatory SS system for all our working lives do you not understand?

    Only when the left, in their bid for "fairness" (as defined by them of course) makes SS a welfare payment, means testing out all the conservatives who worked for a living all their lives and paid into this mandatory "savings account", will SS morph into just another "income redistribution" scheme of the left, and thus an entitlement. See, we know the truth, you spout DNC propaganda. Problem with that is that the teenager who thought up that snappy comeback was educated in public school and doesn't know any better.

    Until then, look at it as if we have a savings account, called SS (too bad the government raided it for fun and games - no lock box as the like to pretend) and we are taking a bit out each month to live on. OK? Go play the DNC talking point propaganda and lies game elsewhere. We know the truth, you apparently don't. Too bad, you lose.
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    @SAS86 It pays out regardless of how much you paid in. My grandmother collected for 15 years and never worked a day in her life. Some pay in ten times what they put it. It's a welfare program, just like any other.
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    Please, did I miss something: The last figures that I think I saw were at the 3+M were signed up, THIS says 10M. The only figure I saw close to this was the number of inquiries.
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    Just another lie or they are counting the Medicaid members already signed up and renewing policies. Yet, of the 20, 30 or 40 million uninsured (that number changes with the venue the President is speaking before) only a fraction of them have signed up.
  • #35
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    @galt45
    Newsmax? Who can really trust that anti-Obama rag?

    Since they can't faux complain and gloat over the ACA rollout flub, they have to desperately try and find other ways to destroy it.
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    3 million or 10 million 'signed up.'

    But, the important figure they won't tell you is this: how many actually paid?

    That's a closely guarded state secret!
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    We paid, in advance all our working life for SS and Medicare - it's like trying to compare a savings account to a bill for service. Apples and oranges.
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    "It has already cost jobs"
    False.

    "it is a tax"
    So what?

    "it is a for-profit business written law"
    Then why do the insurance companies want it repealed?
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    @Cal Why do you think we have the lowest number of people working since WWII? The recession ended half a decade ago, and we still have no new jobs. Obamacare punishes anyone who attempts to invest in a business.
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    @BeanW Actually, six million new jobs have been created since the recession ended. After WWII the U.S. population total was around 150 million. We have over 150 million employed in the U.S. right now, not counting illegals, contract workers, etc. So wrong on that point as well. If fact, not even in the same universe. If you want to see real job destruction, you'll have to check the previous republican administration which had a net loss of jobs over its eight years. That kind of incompetence hasn't been seen since the Hoover administration. Fact.
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    @BeanW
    "Why do you think we have the lowest number of people working since WWII?"
    We don't. Where did you come up with that nonsense.

    "The recession ended half a decade ago, and we still have no new jobs."
    Wrong again. Millions of new jobs have been created under Obama.

    "Obamacare punishes anyone who attempts to invest in a business."
    And that would be strike three. The ACA has no impact on attempts to invest in a business.
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    'Not working' according to whom? The millions who have coverage through their parents? The millions who have coverage due to expanding medicaid? Or maybe the millions that have signed up through the exchanges? Or is it not working simply because you state it w/ no real basis for it because it's only been 'active' for 40 DAYS.
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    @AceLuby Oh, you mean my family's insurance costs going up for the same plan? You mean my friend's mother not being able to get her psychiatric medicine? The millions losing insurance? The bureaucratic mess this whole thing is?
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    @AceLuby So at the end of march when they do not have an active 7 million who are paying in then can we call it a failure or do we have to wait till the insurance companies get a buy out?
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    What will be amazing is when we do reach single payer, all the people like you who talked all the doom and gloom will be hard to find.
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    @jond414 Any you will whine when you are 60 something with a curable condition- but the cost will be too much and you are told to go home, take a pill and die.
  • #106
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    @DrNickels You raise taxes. It's very simple and seeing as that some people are spending hundreds a month on insurance premiums I'd bet that most people would see a HUGE savings by paying more in taxes instead of funneling it to for-profit insurance companies.
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  • #45
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    So, it's either a chart of someone pissing on our leg and telling U.S. it's raining or one explaining turd polishing.

    Medicaid and Medicare don't fine me or penalize me through the IRS Gestapo if I don't use them either!
  • #101
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    Chances are this law has no effect on you whatsoever since most people already had insurance. It has zero effect on me except that my premiums went down.
  • #311
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    @AceLuby - Its been proven that "If you like your insurance, you can keep your insurance." is a lie.
    If your premiums went down, then it is because you are being subsidized by the rest of us taxpayers.
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    @AceLuby

    It has already effected several million people in a negative way. For me, we'll see when the employer mandate kicks in. After what we've seen so far, I'm not optimistic.
  • #329
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    @Gatnos I pay my own insurance through my employer like the vast majority of people and they went down for the first time ever. No subsidies.

    I won't even touch on the cancelled plans that are no longer offered because there are actual minimums of coverage
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    @Thunderchicken It has already affected 10 million people in a positive way. It has not affected the vast majority in any way whatsoever.
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  • #38
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    Lets think about this?At what point does another social program added destroy the tax base,the economy along with all the other programs before it?Is it 1,2 5,10 how many more if not now to become a welfare nation?
  • #111
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    Not to worry, Medicare and Social Security will be unfundable in about ten years, thanks to massive Medicaid enrollment and the ACA taking away hundreds of billions from the coffers.
  • #37
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    One simple fact offsets all of the ways this chart is supposed to win the argument. Obamacare was enacted as a way to eliminate the 30 million uninsured. Today the number of uninsured have climbed to 31 million even after a massive increase in Medicaid enrollments.
    Other issues not addressed includes the increase in generic drug prices. Mine tripled.
    Increases in simple tests done by hospital offsite facilities. Blood tests billed at $1800.
    Luckily I have no experience with what hospital charges for inpatient services are.
  • #29
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    Didn't the CBO say 30 million people will still be uninsured 10 years later? So where is the benefit? Why is this not just another power and money grab by another lying dem administration?
  • #7
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    That doesn't quite work. If you do not have the money to pay the premium each month along with the deductible and the percentage after the deductible, all you have is a card you pay for each month and cannot use!
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    @AceLuby
    Well, that pretty much sums up Obamacare for me and people like me. There's no way a person can win every argument about Obamacare with people like me!
  • #30
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    Social Security and Medicare were both passed in bi-partisan manners too, unlike 0bysmalcurse (that little tidbit not even mentioned in these arguments)...
  • #110
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    The ACA was written by both parties based on an idea passed by a GOP governor which was based on an idea by the GOP think tank Heritage Foundation. The only ones who still claim this isn't a bi-partisan solution are those who don't want Obama to have any success, period. Luckily most people have caught on to the obvious lies perpetuated by your ilk.
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    Only one Republican in the House Passed it in CONgress (and he got voted out come the 2010 midterms). There was NOTHING bi-partisan about this monstrosity.
  • #215
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    Why is no mention ever made of the PDP? Wrote by drug companies,pushed though congress by them,which is why seniors pay 60 percent more for their drugs than the Veteran drug plan.60 minutes did a special on how this was wrote and passed ,it was on in 2007,I believe.
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  • #51
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    Very pretty infographic. I would be more impressed if the sources cited weren't completely one sided. It's difficult for me to accept any argument that relies on content (not neutral data) from one side of the argument. As a result this is a very pretty piece of propaganda in that it ignores any data that does not directly support the argument.

    Sorry, but this goes in the trivial bin along with any other single sided presentation.
  • #36
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    None because the economy would collapse. What will happen to the healthcare industry if their is no government subsidizing of it's bloated costs? You think it will self regulate and bring costs down and make it competitive with what the rest of the world pays? Let me say this now, only an idiot would believe that. It will raise the costs across to board to try and maintain it's profits. The insurance companies will do the same. The ER rooms will be closed.
    So, great plan you have there.
    You want to save money, get to the root of the problem. Address the blatant price fixing by the industry. Why the hell do we pay so much more than any other country when we don't receive better care.
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    @TRex84 " What will happen to the healthcare industry if their is no government subsidizing of it's bloated costs?"

    Do you know how small the reimbursements are to providers under Medicare? The same will be true under Obamacare. The doc can bill out all he wants, but his actual payment for services under Medicare is ridiculous. The Mayo Clinic in AZ stopped taking on new Medicare patients for this very reason.
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    @TRex84
    You pay more because of education costs. Our country has a exponentially more rigorous education process for any field that deals with healthcare. Licensure requirements and costs and insurance for said practicing of healthcare also are exponentially higher in this country than in other countries. That my friend is the true root of the problem. Then of course throwing a middle man in who simply shuffles paper and cuts checks and well you see how it gets worse.
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    @methinks
    Not to mention the fact that the government fixes the prices and then insurance companies negotiate the rates based on those costs so in the end the provider gets screwed.
  • #60
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    @methinks http://online.wsj.com/article/PR-CO-20131107-...
    http://www.reuters.com/article/2014/01/28/pfi...
    http://www.nytimes.com/2011/05/14/business/14...
    http://www.modernhealthcare.com/article/20120...
    oh, those poor darlings. just struggling to scrape on by in this hostile environment made by Obama and the democrats. Whatever is a multi billion dollar company to do under such hardships. All the record profits take time to count up all the hundred of millions and billions they're raking in.
    docs to bill out all they want. it's called fraud. it's a real problem.
    i agree the cost of education in this country is wrong though. i'm under the impression higher right and not a privilege. I think it's more of a fundamental right than the right to own a AR-15. I must be some wacko.
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