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  • #60
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    So Kansas is trying to pass a bill where by...."Any government employee is given explicit permission to discriminate against gay couples—not just county clerks and DMV employees, but literally anyone who works for the state of Kansas."....and now they want the schools to spank their kids until bruises are formed....."What's the Matter with Kansas"...indeed
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    "What's the matter with Kansas?" Now they are advocating child abuse. What's next? They will probably advocate beating your wife too.@BobSmith , you lived in a screwed up state.
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    @happyhedon

    Worked when I was in school and we didn't have school shootings or gay couple throwing temper tantrums in bake shops because Sam and Suzy CakeBaker wouldn't bake grown men a wedding cake.
    I'm Republican and support Kansas and their right to rum their state as they see fit.

    Don't like it ?

    Stay the hell out of Kansas !!
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    Define "bruising"...... Red? I'm ok with it. Actual black and blue? Too far! I know "we" got paddled in school, with an actual paddle and most only got it once!
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    Only once? Must be nice. I got my butt blistered, but parents demanded respect back in the day. I remember being afraid to even think bad things into my pillow thinking mom could hear everything.
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    @ahsum99ss But this is not about parents. It is about caregivers and government schools. Two working couples or a single parent. Daycare and in loco parentis. You give your kids up....lots of luck.
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    A trip to the proverbial wood shed never hurt anyone, except for their pride.

    "Sometimes they hear better through the rear, than the ear."

    "Stop crime in the highchair, not the electric chair." J. Edgar Hoover

    "The rod and reproof are what give wisdom; but a boy let on the loose will be causing his mother shame." Prov. 29:15

    "The one holding back his rod is hating his son, but the one loving him is he that does look for him with discipline." Prov. 13:24
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    Yet another attack on our generation. I don't know exactly what you think. We don't have it as hard as the depression generation but we sure as heck have it harder then the baby boomers.
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    @RONPAULFAN
    WTF is the deal with your generation taking razors and cutting their arms and legs on purpose? Seems like a pandemic going on with you guys. If you'd have all gotten paddled as kids you wouldn't have to cut yourselves to learn what pain feels like.
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    @TheJimmy well what about ones like your generations getting high on ecstasy in the 60's? Every generation has it's problems and to think that somehow your is inherently better than are is just not looking at the big picture.
    I mean what did your parents say? Look at those flapper girls and their sexual displays of shoulders!

    And excuse me I don't know your exact age or generation so I may be a bit off in the examples. But do you get the point?
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    I think that if a parent has to hit hard enough to leave a bruise, they're doing it wrong. You don't spank a kid out if anger. Paddles are where it's at. It stings like crazy and leaves a "hot" sensation for a while. But you don't have to hit hard and won't have any bruises. My son knows what's up and he minds. I can't even remember the last time I had to spank him.
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    @Slowmo I don't know about spanking, I never had to deal with it as a child because I was a good kid.... as far as my parents knew anyway. Didn't happen to me and I'm doing pretty well for myself. So I'm a little conflicted on whether I should go verbal or physical when dealing with discipline. How are your kids turning out, corporal punishment working for you guys?
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    @Ironicguy yeah it's worked out well.(So far). But it's all in how it's applied. I never spank him if I'm mad. I talk to him a lot and don't let emotion cloud the message. I'm not teaching him to fear spankings. I teach him that its up to him whether or not he gets in trouble; that its all up to the decisions that he makes. Spanking, though, isn't the only form of discipline that I use. It's kinda like the last resort for when he's completely pushed the boundaries. And I'm always consistent and if I tell him he'll get in trouble if he does something, then he gets in trouble if he does it. I'm not one of those parents who makes threats and doesn't follow through. When I say it, good or bad, he knows he can count on it. No confusion. No "well I did this last time and got in trouble but the time before that, I didnt...sooo...?"
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    @Ironicguy I haven't had to spank him in two years but he knows. I think that's all due to being consistent. He knows what he can and can't do and he knows the boundaries. But...we haven't even gotten to pre-teen or teenage years yet...
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    Definitely mixed feelings, I believe parents should handle discipline, however there are too many parents who don't care and leave the rest of the world to deal with their lack of control. Smaller children aside, I've encountered many a TEENAGER in my time as a substitute teacher/tutor that could have used a few corrective wallops.
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    I think evolution and enlightened went to Kansas to die.
    Imagine if the headline read Iraq. We would all feel so smug.
    It's 2014 for god's sake. Can we keep growing in societal intelligence please and stop regressing into our grandparents?
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    In some states teachers can spank a child but parents could go to jail. That is crazy, a child needs discipline from time to time and there is nothing better to get the point across than a spanking. My Mom used an apple tree switch with many limbs, the couple of times she needed to get my attention.
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    Man, we got it with the "Cowboy Belt"! It was about 2" wide, had my dad's name carved in the back and a belt buckle he won for 10 years of service at his job. That tells you how much we feared it and behaved to avoid it (I think maybe I got spanked with it once or twice my whole childhood, but that was enough!).

    Lilac switches aren't real comfortable, either...
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    @AtsilaKamama
    That's the problem nowadays.

    Kids don't have that HEALTHY fear of the parents.

    When you screwed up in school and your parent got a call from the teacher BEFORE you got home.

    That was the LONGEST walk home...EVER.
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    @cnw95 Absolutely, because you may have gotten the paddle at school, but had to get dad's belt...on your bare butt when you got home!
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    @AtsilaKamama

    Wow, That's amazing! Your dad received a belt buckle for 10 years of employment.
    Nowadays one is lucky to receive anything for such loyalty.
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    If the teacher actually cared about my kid, I wouldn't mind but I don't see very many teachers who would paddle for correction/discipline. I do see some that would paddle out of anger or retaliation, things are different in school and society today. Some kids you can talk sense into, others may need it "rubbed in" at times.
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    No, really NO!!!!!! Hitting a child only teaches that child to lash out in anger. Bruising a child? OMG!!!! No, no, no and no. How about we all get together and "bruise" the parents of any child hurt that bad! You want discipline? Then from day one teach your child about personal property, personal space, the importance of sharing communal toys (daycare) and respect for others opinions. How about that! There is absolutely no good reason to ever intentionally hurt a child, let alone leave a bruise? This makes my blood boil.
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    I'm honestly unsure of whether or not this is sarcasm. I mean, the beginning combined with your right-wing politics would lead me to think that it is. Towards the end though, I honestly can't tell anymore.
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    Finally something we agree on. Even considering one method does not necessarily fit every situation. But if it takes more than you mentioned there is likely a problem serious enough to require professional help.
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    @MadAmerican I have 2 grown children, neither one of whom ever got hit or spanked. They are great kids, never got into trouble and always did what was right. They in turn do not spank their kids, ever. Their kids are polite and generous and nice. It takes a lot of patience, but by explaining why the behavior is incorrect (and yes a 2 yr. old CAN get this), directing the child in another direction (when they are acting out) and always being consistent and SHOWING BY YOUR ACTIONS the correct way to act is the best way to have a child who is secure in your love, will in turn love and respect others and understand that hurting someone is NOT love.
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    I'm all for corporal punishment. The lack of spamming has caused this problem with today's disrespectful youth. Thanks Dr Spock for your time out crap. Parents need to parent their kids, not be their best friends. Sometimes the answer needs to be "because I told you do." I can't believe that you can't take a switch to a child or a belt anymore. Kids have the upper hand with their parents nowadays. They are taught from an early age that their parents can't swat their behinds or scold them. I'm not saying to abuse your child, but raising your buddy isn't working.
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    While it may be necessary sometimes, I think that positive reinforcement is generally the best method. Focus on rewarding them for doing right, and you'll create less situations where you need to punish them for doing wrong. If you do have to punish them, physical punishment should still be the last resort.

    For about a year, my mom was taking care of the teenaged daughter of a relative. Her mother basically abandoned her, and my mom was planning on adopting. Anyways, the girl cussed at my mom one time, calling her a "bitch". Later that day, my mom went and highlighted every single curse word she could find in the dictionary. She made the girl write down each of them and each of their definitions. She never cussed my mom again.
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    Kids now a days are not as you think. Most haven't been spanked, I bet, but not because of parental weakness. It is because we've found non-violent forms of punishment to be much more effective, with the added bonus of not teaching our kids that violence is okay. Consistency, not spanking, is the key. Even the most severe spanking is ineffective with out it.
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    People like you scare me to death. Are you aware that all and I repeat ALL of our prisoners were whipped as children. Does that not tell you something. How could any adult feel they are in the right when they are standing over a child smaller than themselves and beating it. Plain old child abuse. I hear so many of you that got whippings say "well, I got whipping s and it made me a better person". No, child abuse does not make anyone a better person, neither the abused child or the abuser/beater/whipper adult. Shame on you people that would rather take your rage out on a helpless child rather than spending time disciplining them in a more compassionate manner. That is the problem. Most parents would rather smack a kid around because it takes less time and makes the parent feel better. You lazy parents. You are the very parents that do not spend enough time with your child anyway. How would you feel if your boss smacked/spanked/beat/ whipped you for doing something wrong at work???...NOW, you get what I mean Mr. or Mrs. Bully. You hit because it makes you feel better, more powerful. SHAME, SHAME. DHS should visit you.
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    @LGoad and I blame people like you for the kids of today. Send DHS to my house. My kids have been out for years, and guess what, they are great parents too. Nobody smacked their kids around. You obviously not a clue what you're talking about. We didn't beat our children.
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    If anyone hit my kid, it would be a certain lawsuit, but he was raised with reason, when he did something wrong we explained why it was wrong and told him him he was in control of his punishment, he could either make the punishment longer or shorter depending on his decisions. It didn't take him long to understand this.

    And the punishment never involved assault. The kid turned out to be Valedictorian of his class.
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    Hey, I know, let's try spanking Kansas legislators "at a velocity strong enough to leave bruises" first and see if it improves their behavior.
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    DARSB, I agree with you. Put that on the ballot ticket and let's see what kind of vote it gets. A good whipping post for our adult legislators is what I would love to see. I bet they would change their mind about spankings then.
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    I was all for it til I saw it included teachers/caregivers. What, are they conditioning them further to accept rampant police brutality??? HELL NO! Spanking and discipline is a job for the parents. Most of us growing up were more afraid of a phone call home to Mom and Dad than anything!
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    When my kids were at a sitter, I knew them, and they had ever right to spank if it need it. They weren't allowed to do things at the sitter that they couldn't do at home. Like I said, anyone with my kids, I personally knew. They didn't spank kids at school when I raised mine, unfortunately or I would have allowed them to if it was warranted. Many kids nowadays need a good spanking and that's why they are the way they are.
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    Bruising is abuse. I have two children under 7 and have never spanked them. I'm not sure how spanking to the point of bruising empowers parents.
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    She's crazy, giving people permission to hit your child. I bet she doesn't have kids in that agegroup.
    The existing law shouldn't even still exist and adding to the level of abuse that is permitted.... Sickening.
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    @RONPAULFAN Oklahoma, Alabama, and Mississippi are farther right (maybe some others from the Deep South). Kansas should learn from them.
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  • #356
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    To Echo a recent documentary I seen"What is wrong With Kansas? Simple.Fundamentalist control everything and are trying to force their religious belief onto everyone else.Screw That!

    I inherited some property in Kansas which I am in the process of disposing of.I have no interest in living in a place where Pseudo-Christian Right Wing Nut Jobs hold power.It's bad enough putting up with the brain dead Zombie Teanderthals in South Eastern Kentucky,let alone where the Nut Jobs run everything
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    As long as I have the right to go into the school and smack anyone I don't agree with. If administrators and teachers and politicians do things I don't agree with, I'll just start beating on them until they behave in a manner I approve of. Yep, that makes very good sense to me.
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    Spanking is an adult hitting a child. There is no reason, and it serves no purpose. It is not necessary for discipline, and teaches children that they should resort to physical violence to solve problems. I will never spank my child, and anytime I see people do in publicly I call them out on it. If you think it is cool to embarrass your child in public because you don't educate them properly at home, then you deserve to be embarrassed yourself as a parent.
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    Maybe they would also like to include bats, bricks ....oh and guns. After all , isn't it is that horrid bible book to "spare the rod and spoil the child" type deal?
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