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  • #7
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    What a misleading title for this article outlining the results of this study. The highlight of the study was that the min wage increase would cost 500,000 jobs, and destroy employment opportunities in an already struggling economy. For everyone happy about the 900,000 (not one million) estimated to be lifted above the poverty line, what about the 500,000 less jobs... Screw them? Who cares? Expendable for the greater good?
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    Q) How do you raise 1 million people out of poverty?
    A) Put 1/2 million deeper into poverty.........
    It's the way of BOTH parties. And they still get all their perks, become millionaires while in office (on only $170,000 salaries) and retire to Barbados.....
    "Let them eat cake........."
  • #38
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    But...but....that's 500,000 people who will have more time to stay at home and pursue their other interests and spend time with their families...
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    Expect the administration to talk to the CBO and we will have a retraction in a few days.

    Guess Obama doesn't understand how prices will be increased to cover the increase payroll cost......
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  • #6
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    So let me try to understand this?If it would lift 1 million out of poverty one notch that is still dirt poor and then without food stamps ,child tax credits that still leaves them poor if not worse is a good thing?Then possibly eliminate half a million jobs creating more with nothing sounds like obama democratic logic.Get real folks this scam is about votes and not helping anyone.
  • #39
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    LOL...

    People working minimum wage jobs are eligible for food stamps...do you see why people don't vote Republican anymore? People don't follow your hypocritical logic.
  • #42
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    @Now_What Yes, they don't vote Republican because Democrats are handing out the goodies for free on the middle class dime.....

    Republicans would rather have people learn responsibility and independence.....

    But why would one want those? That takes hard work and when hard work is not only not rewarded but penalized and those that feel "entitled" are encouraged to feel more "entitled" and encouraged to embrace a victim mentality.....many will take the "easy" way.....though as you can see this leads to a country's destruction.....
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    Sadly you are one of those that can not add or subtract.With government benefits the poor survive.LOL the raise in the minimum wage takes from that and removes them from the poverty level to the next step of just plain azz poor.Think a bit you may become more believable at some point.Do you really think moving from $300 a week at the current minimum to $420 dollars minus benefits is going to help?Get real.
  • #59
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    So your saying that instead of an employer actually paying what someone needs to survive you would prefer they continue to receive money from the government?

    Getting people off public assistance is no longer a worthy goal?

    Democrats are also in favor of respiration, are you going to oppose that next?
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    What no one seems to understand, on both sides, is that an increase in the minimum wage might lift a million people out of poverty, which is doubtful considering the government is doing it by devaluing the dollar, but it would kill people living on a fixed income. It would also dip into many middle class pocketbooks when the children of parents on social security are forced to start taking a more active roll in supporting their parents. So that million figure could just as easily turn into a negative multi-million net result.
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    The minimum wage was never meant to be a family supporting living wage. It was intended to be a starting wage for our teenagers to get into the work force and learn about the requirements of work. Its should not be raised because raising it will cause employers to eliminate those jobs. What a sorry state of affairs this country has become if minimum wage jobs are someone's goal.
  • #35
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    A minimum wage job rarely ever someone's goal, but we have to recognize that there are some people who aren't equipped physically, skillfully, psychologically, or mentally to seek higher paid careers.
  • #58
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    Thank you! It is also the motivator to learn a usable skill set or get an education to better oneself.
    I am curious; is there a FULL-time job that pays minimum wage out there? I'm not aware of it.
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    @SocialismSucks Good question. I don't know of any minimum wage jobs other than maybe fast food restaurants and I'm not sure that they are minimum wage.
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    @Turtle_Hermit to those without a job a min wage job works, folks graduating from college right now are taking those jobs, it is sad seeing folks who got these huge student loans and not being able to find anything do to outsourcing and in sourcing.
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    Wow, I didn't realize we was talking to the monopoly guy on here. I know you wipe your ass with $114 a week, but for poor people, that is a lot of money, and it would most assuredly get some out of poverty.
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    Actually, it will. It's a 30% increase. Are you saying you'd turn down a 30% increase because it's 'too small'? Yeah... didn't think so.
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    @AceLuby With a 30% increase will this group still be eligible for food stamps and other government programs? If not, how will this increase help anyone out of poverty? Some families are able to collect over $1000 a month in food stamps alone...some are eligible for Medicaid, free phones, housing assistance, daycare vouchers, etc., I'm all for helping people get out of poverty and off government assistance, but the only way for them to successfully do that is to go back to school or to learn a trade. This is not going to work. It may actually hurt them more which could end up being another disincentive to work.
    The Government rarely fixes anything.
  • #263
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    @AceLuby If I made minimum wage, I'd be all for it. But I haven't made minimum wages since I was a kid. Where did you get that I think they should turn it down? You're either dating yourself or you're answering your own conscience, but I answered for you anyway.☺
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    So, in the fine print, after raising one million out of poverty, the rest of the sentence tells us it will cost half a million jobs, which will put that many families into DEEPER poverty while pushing then into dependence upon government for subsistence.

    Is that a good trade? I think not.

    What this nation desperately needs is a government that gets out of the way of business, both large and small, so that business can CREATE jobs, and a thriving economy.
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    Not only that, but in time all it will do is raise where the poverty level income line starts. 10.00 hr will be the new poor.

    Because I know I am raising my prices if everyone has 1600 a month now, and if I have to pay my people more, which absutely will be be less people who I will insist do twice the work to make up for those I just cut .
    They will do twice the work too, if they want their jobs.
    Because I pay alot better than the Fed. Gov't does.
    The gov't will keep you alive, I will make you thrive.
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    Another aspect that few people ever consider is that an action this sort does not play out in a bubble. The symbiotic nature of human behavior always has consequences on seemingly disconnected areas of human life with unintended damage. The idea is to limit those unintended damages because you'll never be able to prevent them all. This act is obviously a very careless one on a whole bunch of levels and I'm afraid that the record of math models predicting the future have proven to be just as much bullshit as a president's verbal bullshit. After all isn't math just another language?
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    ...and cost 500,000 their jobs, putting them on unemployment and food stamps.

    And the poor will still be poor, and the rich will get even richer. They will simple charge more for their product whe employing less people.
  • #71
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    @MarkColwell How many of those economists do something that makes a profit by employing people who work for them? Easy to not accept something when you don't live in the real world.
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    @AceLuby okay, and they will be on food stamps again, only now they also drove up the price of everything that cost money with this minimum wage increase, because if you are one of those that believes this isn't going to push the prices up, then you are crazy.
    (Just a figure of speech)

    So where does it stop? Do we just keep raising the bottom indefinitely?
  • #218
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    @MarkColwell when you say economist, do you mean those same economist who build the economic models by which our leaders use to guide our nation, because if you are then you realize they are almost always wrong, obviously, or else we wouldn't be in this situation today, would we?
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    Curious as to why the question is "Should the minimum wage be raised if it would lift 1 million people out of poverty?"

    When it could be "Should the minimum wage be raised if result in 500,000 jobs lost?

    I am fairly confident the answers would not result in the same outcome.

    Politix, your bias is showing once again.
  • #199
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    The 500k jobs lost is tiny compared to the 16 million it would help (which is the actual number if you take a look at the actual report and not this headline grabbing crap).
  • #17
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    Well, for people with common sense sure understanding is simple.....for President Hussein Obama and progressive liberals and those that are essentially automatons programmed from indoctrination centers {public schools} {example: those that don't know that earth revolves around sun}.....these have an ability of epidemic proportions to either intentionally or unintentionally to be clueless.....it is almost a super power.....
  • #129
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    Very simple....

    It has been raised SEVERAL times since it's inception....

    and somehow the world is still spinning.

    Imagine that.
  • #242
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    @AceLuby its easy to live on minimum wage Ace. I did for twenty years. Mostly at three something an hour. I never lived beyond my means, had few luxuries but always ate good.
    Many factors dictate the success of surviving on MW. Geography, demographics, etc.
    I stress its mostly survival for most folks but I actually saved some money in those days. I didn't start making real money until I was about 40 when I changed my way of thinking and should have been retired. Most people deserve more than minimum wage for hard work. I'm still working hard and playing hard.
    The political climate had changed.
    The work climate has changed.
    The philosophy that hard work will eventually pay off, has not.
    ... But that would depend on which philosophy you subscribe to...
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  • #30
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    Because it was written by Lisa Fine. No different than any of her other posts, or posts on Politix in general for that matter.
  • #241
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    @AceLuby I appreciate the clarification. I'm not referring to the article. It is balanced. It's the poll question that is poorly attached. It should read something like this.

    Should the minimum wage be raised to pull 1M out of poverty?

    A) Yes, as long as it saves more people than it hurts.

    B) No, helping 1M while hurting 500,000 others is an unacceptable ratio.

    C) I'm not sure.
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    The jobs lost would cost more in increased government benefits than the taxes on the 'out of poverty' workers would be paying. Wouldn't that be a net loss? How is that a gain to the economy? The lowest skilled and qualified would never get job experience and would cement themselves firmly into a permanent lower class.
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    Ah.....now you're getting it.....a permanent lower class.....that is the intended outcome.....or progressive liberal slavery through policy causation.....
  • #41
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    @Knightkore

    More Liberal Left Democrat "Plantation Sheeple"!

    Once hooked on the government entitlement freebies, it's like kicking the heroin habit to get free and self sufficient again!
  • #206
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    What benefits? Food stamps? Already getting them. Medicaid? Already on it.

    So please explain how boosting the purchase power of 16 million americans is worse than 500k jobs lost in clear terms.
  • #257
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    @AceLuby I've seen you quote the 16 million number at least twice now. Where is that number coming from? This report was from a NON-partisan 3rd party that doesn't have a dog in the fight. Somehow they missed 15 million people? If you have any information I would be happy to look at it because, if that is the case, it would cause me to change my position.
  • #297
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    @AceLuby I'm sure you are sucking up all the benefits you can. Your idea of 'charity' is to make other people pay for your stuff, right?
  • #29
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    These peoples math skills needs lots of work.. minimum wage is a starting point & raising will bring the prices of everything up.. but this is really just a way to bring more taxes in for these nitwits..
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    Another analogy would be say NFL would lower ticket prices for more people to buy but each stadium would elminate and take out half their seating.....
  • #19
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    I think a better analogy would be:
    The NFL will sell 150% capacity of each stadium......first come first served. No refunds!
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    @stepped_in_it I was thinking of a little darker example. A populated city, gases the entire area (like crop dusting). The government insists that it will make everyone happier, and reduce the risk of cancer in everyone. They are able to document 1M cases where it worked!

    Unfortunately, it had the strange side effect of giving 500,000 people Alsheimer's. Would that ever be okay?
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    @Firestorm That would be an interesting horror novel.....I'll remember to credit you if I write it.....

    That is scary indeed though.....
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    "But the CBO report says it would also cost 500,000 jobs"
    HMMM....wondering how the CBO, Obama and the liberals are gonna try and SPIN this comment to make it say not what EXACTLY what they said?
    Face it.......The ACA (AKA Obamacare) and a minimum wage increase will cost jobs........
    Welcome to Americon.......
  • #5
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    But the Obama administration has already responded.
    They simply said,
    "The CBO is wrong"

    Lol, there ya go.
  • #12
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    @Thegrif Nice reply.
    Wondering when the Obama is gonna start firing heads of the CBO for telling the truth.
    (Putting the 2 words......Obama and truth....in the same sentence feels real weird)
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    @stepped_in_it Not only that, but in time all it will do is raise where the poverty level income line starts. 10.00 hr will be the new poor.

    Because I know I am raising my prices if everyone has 1600 a month now, and if I have to pay my people more, which absutely will be be less people who I will insist do twice the work to make up for those I just cut .
    They will do twice the work too, if they want their jobs.
    Because I pay alot better than the Fed. Gov't does.
    The gov't will keep you alive, I will make you thrive.
  • #24
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    @Thegrif All $10 an hour is gonna do is take 1 million people off SNAP. They will still be poor because their present salary plus SNAP equals out to approx.$10 an hour.
    Then, it will put 1/2 million on full unemployment, which will NOT be FULL unemployment. They, in turn, will get FULL SNAP, Section 8 housing, Medicaid (if they don't already have it) and ALL the other benefits the good 'ole USA can give them......
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  • #106
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    I can just re-caption the picture above.

    0bama: Yea honey, I'll raise the minimum wage, but in return you'll be fired

    Costco Lady: Awww...shoot!
  • #258
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    @AceLuby Yeah, Costco is one of the companies that does it right. However, I think MarkJM was just throwing out an example.
  • #33
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    It'll be just like Obama Kill Care...it will get rid of 2.5 million jobs and give a half million raises or something like that...then they will doctor the numbers and hide the bad shit and tell you it's a success!
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    It's like a tire dealer saying.....okay we've got a deal for you.....we're slashing our prices.....you get 4 tires to replace your current ones.....however half of those tires will have been knifed and slashed and one will have a nail in it.....you just won't know which ones.....all for the low price of 100 dollars.....
  • #4
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    No because giving the people would only give them the chance to go and buy that new t.v or name brand shoes or that new car they wouldn't save for a rainy day or invest it.
  • #209
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    You mean creating demand for goods and services? Oh no! These stores might even need to HIRE someone to account for the 16 million people with more money to spend. Who knows... JOBS might even be created! The horror!
  • #138
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    family of 4 poverty is $23,850

    so $10.10 an hour at 40 hours per week (if you can get 40 hours) times 50 weeks a year
    =$20,200 ($21,008 if you work 52 weeks a year)(you would have to work just over 45.4... hours a week for 52 weeks to reach the poverty level)

    I say a family of 4 with one income comes up just a little short.
    and since they are still below the poverty level they still get food stamps and other things from the gov..
  • #362
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    Exactly. They need to get a second job, not expect the government to pick up the slack. I work an average of 60 hours a week. Why should someone else expect to work only 40 and live the same lifestyle I do? When I was married, my wife also worked. It's a necessity of self-reliance.
  • #113
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    Minimum wage jobs are ENTRY LEVEL jobs. I went to a butt load of college to earn my rate of $28-31/hour as a dental hygienist. I didn't always earn that--I worked UP from minimum wage. People are NOT supposed to be attempting to make careers out of minimum wage positions. If entry level paid higher--where's the incentive to better oneself? However, after the fall-out and massive job losses during the great "recession," many were put in the position of attempting to do just that--live on minimum wage. And many couldn't even get IN to a position at all. So that said--as taxpayers--what do you want to pay for? The foodstamps and government assistance that's going to be necessary for the low-income worker or $10 for a hamburger you ELECTED to eat?

    Times they are a-changin'. But for now--I still vote no on the raising of minimum wage.
  • #211
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    Read the history of minimum wage. Entry level jobs should pay a living wage, they should not be subsidized by the govt like they currently are.
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