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    Like I've said on these stories before. I myself am a gay American and I accept that it is any private establishments right to chosen association.
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    While I agree with you, I can't help but wonder how either of us would feel if we were trying to get a hotel room with out kids. What if we were with one of our same sex siblinbgs and not our partners and they refused us? What if we were out of gas and in a bad way but they still refused us? Those kinds of things scare me.
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    Yeah, that's swell. Until the only grocery store in town won't sell to you and the only hardware store won't sell to you and the only doctor won't treat you. Geez. You're just fine with people driving you out of town. What happens when the next town you move to is equally bigoted?
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    What are the criteria for deciding who is gay and who is not? Two women, friends or related i.e.sisters, going to lunch can be legally denied entrance and service from a restaurant? How do they prove they are not gay? Two men, friends or related i.e. uncle and nephew, attempting to buy fishing licenses or hunting gear can legally be denied entrance and service from a sporting goods store? How do they prove they are not gay? Will the state be issuing Guaranteed and Tested Heterosexual passes to people?
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    Unbelievable in this day and age that rampant discrimination against common citizens can be be justified and condoned for any reason . Absolutely disgusting.
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    Lets take the "homosexual" part out of it... and replace it with any other minority group.. Would anyone (withthe exception of Ron P., because while I do notagree with him he is at least across the board on his statement) agree for a hotel to turnaway jews because it went agianst ttheir christian beliefs... muslimss?... Would you agree it was ok for a b and b to require proof a marraige before renting a room to a hetero couple?.....
    This law, which will be struck down in a minute in court, is no different. If you do not agree with turning away" minority... you can not be ok with this.
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    Are you ok with an African American business who works with Black kids in communities being forced to hire a person who is an open KKK member? That is what we are talking about here. WAKE UP! Every business should have the freedom to hire who they choose & of course the vast majority of businesses will hire the best man or woman for the job regardless of who or what they are. This is just yet one more power grab of activist gays & Liberals to force Christians to bow down to political correctness.
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    Since Christians believe every person is a sinner -- every single one -- they should just close up shop if they thinking selling someone cookies is "enabling sin."

    But they won't -- because it's not an issue of sin. It's an issue of disgusting bigotry.
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    @Zazziness You got that right, disgusting bigotry against Christians by Liberals. The nerve of any liberal democrat trying to force churches to hire Gay Sunday school teachers. You bigots are unbelievable.
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    This is great news. If I open a gun shop in Arizona, and I despise religious people in general and old white men in particular, I won't be forced to let them buy my guns. ;)

    Seriously, someone needs to talk to these lawmakers and explain the term "slippery slope" to them. And what's up with the GOP? Weren't they were trying to be more inclusive?
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    Let's say you find gay marriage morally wrong. Should you be forced to bake a wedding cake for one? How about hold a ceremony at your establishment? Should you be forced to DJ one? This law goes farther then it should, but that is the reason why they passed it. Gay couples were going after those who refused to service gay weddings on moral or religious grounds.
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    @Yank People are only as moral as their options . The same person in church praying for the eternal souls of the sinners have sinned repented and sinned again so how moral is it really your jobs are to make money I don't care if someone wants to get a wedding cake rub it all over them while they sing Hallelujah its their damn cake , music, whatever money has no sexual orientation that is your job .. if not then what kind of business r they running I mean religiously speaking then all the devirinized women buying cakes shouldn't get one either its immoral
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    You know, there are those who have a religious objection to mixed race couples. Some on the outer cusp even swear the Bible says that Black people are descended from the devil.
    Soooooo, what do you think? Some racist could refuse to serve a mixed race heterosexual couple based on his "keep the races pure " Old Testament belief; feined or real.
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    I have difficulty accepting that comes for the Old Testament. Could you give a reference to it. I did not think Jews even believed in the devil. When I searched I found: While mainstream Judaism contains no overt concept of a devil,
    @ http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Devil
    The devil is a Christian (and other religions) concept.
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    The Old Testament definition of mixed marriage had nothing to do with race. It was a ban on marrying outside of the religion.
    Jewish Ethics:
    Mixed Marriage & Intermarriage
    @ http://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/jsource/J...
    On the other hand Christianity has the following:
    1. God wills all races to be as He made them. Any violation of God's original purpose manifests insubordination to Him.(Acts 17:26, Rom. 9:19-24)
    So by your position all Christians who marry a different race are damned. Those Christians then are damned.
    It is interesting what you find when you research statements made by the 'knowledgeable".
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    @fraps The Bible does not forbid mixed race marriage. In fact, when Moses married a Cushite woman and his sister Miriam objected to the mixed race marriage, God struck her with leprosy. It was god saying in essence "You want white Miriam, Here's some white for you." What the Bible does discourage is marrying outside of one's faith.
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    @Now_What The ignorance and short-sighted bigotry being flippantly expressed by people in these comments is sickening. America is a better country than they deserve.
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    I have no problem with most businesses retaining the right to refuse services to groups of people... I just want them to display a large sign stating that so that I can avoid supporting bigotry.
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    We can do that with social media, too. It would be interesting to see how businesses fair when enough people report on their bigotry so that most of the Google results for those businesses focus on their bigotry...
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    So, do you want the LGBT to opening admit that they are bigoted and that they refuse service and admission to alleged homophobes and people with opposing religious beliefs. Perhaps ABC should post a public broadcast stating that they are bigots towards traditional families and people with rteligious beliefs.
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    @john_seeya LOL, wow. I hope I am misunderstanding you, however you seem to be saying that gays not wanting to do business with those who discriminate against them and persecute them is in itself bigotry. If that's the case... people are bigoted for opposing the KKK, or any other group that selects a segment of the population out for persecution and or discrimination.

    I'm not really surprised, right wing Christians are always trying to figure out how they are being persecuted. Persecuting others and discriminating against them is probably the most effective way to get people to dislike and shun you.
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    I guess someone could open up another restaurant and refuse to serve blacks or heterosexuals. The latter, not really making any sense because that is probably where most of your business would be coming from. What if it is against my religion to allow blacks in my restaurant. I can make up what ever crap I wanted too.
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  • #355
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    It is so revealing that you bigots always try to toss in blacks into your sexual deviation mix, which is you admitting that you think that being black is a sexual act or moral decision. If you think that being black is a sexual act or moral judgment, then create your 2000 year old Bible and go for it.

    However, please make a public announcement that this is your LGBT policy and LGBT religion.
  • #26
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    WTF? This makes no political sense for Republicans if they wish to broaden their appeal and regain political relevance. Unless the GOP is hoping some anti-gay "noise" might move media attention away from their mounting political leadership's legal problems. Maybe it is a trial balloon, just feint to move public attention away from the multiple subpeonae that are virtually ending the presidential hopes of their (2) governor hopefuls, Rick Scott and Chris Christie. Maybe we'll see Ms. Brewer suddenly appearing on the DC GOP scene, being propped up by the RNC for the 2016 run......... No, that would be TOO crazy. Regardless, the RNC is rapidly running out the B-List and are delving deep into the GOP pickle barrel for someone, anyone to put up against Hillary.
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    Broaden their appeal???????? What on earth, have you totally been brainwashed? You would sooner vote for all the corrupt power grabs from Democrats & say you would not vote for Republicans because they believe in the freedoms of businesses to hire who they choose? It bothers you less when the IRS singles out conservative groups? It bothers you less when Democrats lie to the people about Obamacare to force it down our throats? You don't mind corrupt politicians trying to take your guns? Telling you to pay for Abortions? Not cutting spending while our nation is 17 trillion in debt & all these things would not keep you from voting for Democrats just because of one single issue of freedom to hire who we choose? Can you grasp how badly our nation's people have been brainwashed into Political correctness & the Gay agendas? You would think that our entire society is fixated on the plight of Gays & excuse all the things that Democrats are doing to ALL THE PEOPLE'S FREEDOMS. Why are you fixated on the plight of Gays & would keep you from voting for the GOP after all the terrible things Democrats have forced on us? Ask yourself that question.
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    @commonsense51
    Not sure who you are responding to. What is Brewer hoping to accomplish? It is about WINNING elections. Don't mistake my overt disgust with this Arizonian business stupidity regarding gays as support for something unrelated. It is possible to call out suicidal craziness when it is wrong..........Try re-reading my post and you'll see no mention of Democratic support. It sounds like you don't like Democrats much and somehow, they are related to what is happening in Arizona?..... Sorry, I don't support gay-bashing or gay-baiting. Best to aim your venom for Democrats over to the Democrats, I guess.
    Regardless, what the GOP is offering up in Arizona on this topic is not going to win the day, or the election.
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    @Unfit2serve You made it a point to take a jab at the GOP party over this one issue & not appealing to people such as yourself I imagine. I just explained the many reasons that Democrats should not appeal to one American who believes in freedom of the people, NOT JUST GAYS, freedoms of businesses, freedom not to buy Obamacre, not to pay for abortions, to own guns, you know, FREEDOM?
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    @commonsense51 "Broaden their appeal???????? What on earth, have you totally been brainwashed? You would sooner vote for all the corrupt power grabs from the Social Democratic Party of Germany & say you would not vote for Hitler because they believe in the freedoms of businesses to hire who they choose? It bothers you less when the Weimar Republic singles out Nazi groups? It bothers you less when Social Democratic Party of Germany lie to the people about democratic Weimar Constitution to force it down our throats? You don't mind corrupt politicians trying to take your guns? Telling you to pay for Abortions? Not cutting spending while our nation is 17 trillion in debt & all these things would not keep you from voting for the Social Democratic Party of Germany just because of one single issue of freedom to hire who we choose? Can you grasp how badly our nation's people have been brainwashed into Political correctness & the Jewish agendas? You would think that our entire society is fixated on the plight of the Jews & excuse all the things that the Social Democratic Party of Germany are doing to ALL THE PEOPLE'S FREEDOMS. Why are you fixated on the plight of Jews & would keep you from voting for the Nazis after all the terrible things the Social Democratic Party of Germany have forced on us? Ask yourself that question. "
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    The greatest strength the GOP has is in doing everything possible to lose national elections. This is just one fine example of how they do it.
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  • #12
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    So those parents who withheld medical treatment for their kids and had two die from the neglect would be acting legally. The hand of the anti Christ can be seen using the ignorant rightwing fundies as sock puppets
  • #29
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    Refusing to give emergency medical treatment would be a violation of federal law. Has been ever since the 1980s.
  • #154
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    I think two christian sects do that. One is the Christian Scientists and the other is Jehova's Witnesses. There may be more. This is not a right wing view you are reading. It is a LIBERTARIAN one.
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  • #263
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    I wish you all would follow Coots' lead. We NEED more rattlesnake handling Christians! Your bible commands it!!! Please!!!

    Idiots. You are all one step removed from throwing virgins in the volcano to appease the gods.
  • #168
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    All the bakeries and photographers and caterers that people think are being so horribly put-upon? They aren’t in the business of providing spiritual guidance or enforcing moral doctrines. They are there to turn a profit. As such, they are obligated to abide by prevailing civil rights laws, whether those laws protect people from discrimination based on race, religion, or sexual orientation.

    Should a restaurant owner be able to refuse service to Blacks because he has “moral objections” to race-mixing? Should an employer be able to fire a Muslim employee because he wants to run “a nice Christian workplace”?

    If they answer to both questions is NO, what justification is there refusing service to a Gay couple who wish to get a wedding cake or celebrate their anniversary in a restaurant? Does this bill allow people to use "religious freedom" as a justification for discriminating against ANY customer, or does it simply single out Gay citizens?

    Either way, it's going to do WONDERS for tourism.
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    Sorry, you can not spin your nonsense. Homosexual orientation is not a suspect class and does not fall under federal or Arizona civil rights laws. Who or what you choose to have sex with is not protected as a civil right.

    Sorry, bigot, race and religion are totally different from homsexuality. Funny though, homosexuality is like pedophilia, so are you advocating gay pedophilia?
  • #265
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    @john_seeya it may not be a civil right but it should be a none of your f**kin business right!!!!!!!!!
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    @john_seeya Orientation is innate and immutable--just like race. It is not a learned behavior, like pedophilia or religion.

    BTW--DOMA, DADT, etc--gays are certainly a legal classification and in many areas and federal establishments ARE protected.
  • #412
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    Should gay people are able to get into our schools systems and indoctrinate our kids through perv books how is having a same sex relationship? hum?
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    The same kinds of people who favor this kind of a law defended the whites only segregation in the south 60 years ago. Haters then and haters now.
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    If it does become law, I figure it will go to a Supreme court and be overturned, kind of like their immigration law. Keep trying Arizona but you can't make it the 1950's again.
  • #151
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    The white only segregation was accomplished by law. The same thing being attempted here. What is wrong is when government discriminates. Not when private people do.
    I bet you do all the time but just do not recognize it. Have you dated people of all races, religions and genders before picking a mate. If you did not you discriminated.
    FYI
    Full Definition of DISCRIMINATION

    1
    a : the act of discriminating
    b : the process by which two stimuli differing in some aspect are responded to differently
    2
    : the quality or power of finely distinguishing
    3
    a : the act, practice, or an instance of discriminating categorically rather than individually
    b : prejudiced or prejudicial outlook, action, or treatment <racial discrimination>
  • #167
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    You do know it was the Southern Democrats who fought for segregation. It was the Republicans who gave blacks the vote.
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    @UncleSi I know that the Dixiecrats were the southern scum that became republicans as part of the GOP's southern strategy back in the 1970s. You should read about it sometime. You guys kicked out all of the liberal republicans ages ago.
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    I wonder if the religious understand that they already have special rights granted by the Constitution. I wonder what the religious will think if the people turn against religion and strip the religious of these special rights. I am well aware that the religious believe that they are already discriminated against, but I find this to mostly be in their minds, fore I don't see news articles telling of the religious being beaten to death or bullied etc. However I do continue to see where GLBTI people are still dying at the hands of the religious. I guess we will see just what the world thinks of states passing laws that permit discriminate against a group of people. I am willing to bet most people will stand for do unto others as you would have them do unto you.

    fayban
    Do you believe you are free of the 600+ sins of the bible that you have the right to stand in judgement. The fool that I am I thought judgement was reserved for God.
  • #131
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    Sad! A lot of those who discriminated against blacks in years past claimed some sort of "religious" justification too!
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