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    I've encountered too many meth heads in the areas I've live and worked, for anyone to convince me it's not "bad". Not to mention I'm sure there is a major difference, between a substance produced by professionals in a lab, and someone cooking up meth in his trailer.
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    oddly enough, now that this story brings it up, i do know 2 guys in their mid 20's who were given aderall in high school. both have dentures. neither ever took meth.
    i'm guessing the skin lesions and so forth are probably coming from the battery acid and other crap they use.
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    Not buying it. My dentist spends one day a month working at the prison pro bono and he says meth mouth is a nightmare. Perhaps the study was not considering that people taking a steady, prescribed amount are dosing differently than an addict?
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    @Zazziness

    You would be amazed at what a life long lack of good nutrition, poverty and no dental care can do to teeth. I am sure that your dentist sees a lot of people who come from that background and also use meth.. so the question is, which did the damage first? And the dryness of the mouth with meth just adds to it..
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    @LEC

    Thing is, a lot of those people aren't that old. They aren't in the 50's, 60's and 70's. They're in their late 20's and 30's. Meth seems to age people fast.
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    @PayThatCEO

    I spend my childhood, up to age 19 without dental care and parents that didn't seem to care if I brushed my teeth or not.. by the time I did go to a dentist around age 20 , I had a lot of work done.. somewhere around 12 to 14 filling and a root canal.. I did not use drugs, especially meth.. so just imagine a few more years of no dental care, bad nutrition for your whole life and a meth addiction and I can see me being there.
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    For sure. Here in the Meth Capital of the USA, the horrors of Meth making and use are constantly visible. These folks are like from some gross horrific planet. Anyone can make it and it is cheap, with most of central ingredients coming in from South of Border.
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    good is bad up is down dark is light
    The left is trying to get a handle on what the public will swallow on many subjects then develop strategy and policy accordingly.
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    @slayer98_l A true statement here. They sneak a turd in the punch bowl and tell everyone it's not a bad thing while they wait and see who still drinks it.
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    Big difference in amphetamine and meth-amphetamine when talking potency and by method of ingestion, which I would assume leads to such drastic differences in side effects...the same with heroin, which as a pure pharmaceutical is safe if used correctly, but the black market stuff is full of toxins and who knows what else, beyond that, none of the crap, black market or pharmaceutical is good for your mental or physical health if you abuse it or use it for a long period...
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    Makes perfect sense, then, to rid ourselves of the black market, associated crime, in officials and the street, and do away the insanity of our current war on people who do drugs. That money could be better spent, our law could be less corrupt, and the drop in crime would be novel.
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    I began using Meth in the early 70's which developed after I'd "discovered" amphetamines. The doctors gave them out like candy for many years. I went on to do Meth which ravaged my body and stole my morals and cost me 12 years in prison. I've been clean since April 23rd, 1993, the day I went to prison. You can't tell me "it isn't that bad for you." I've been there. You think the cost of healthcare is high now? Wait until the results of meth use are dealt with.
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    The 70s version was more like crank and adderal before sudaphed was added. JFK was given amphetamines inauguration night and the extra components like battey strips in the 80s is what is today's meth. Since you are an expert on this drug, am I right on this change? Cranks name came from motorcycles handle compartment before meth became today's meth?
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    I didn't say I was an expert on the drug. My expertise lay in getting it into my blood. It was called crank then. I knew it was methamphetamine. I liked the version that smelled like ether. You could smell it as soon as it was opened. I carried a syringe that had a "binky" on the end for instant "register." It would sting if the needle came through the vein and you didn't have to struggle with the plunger. I also shot "mollies" of various colors. It sucked when they came out with the formula that gelled in the needle. If you tried to snort the damned things they would cling in your sinuses and tear the lining out as bad as crank did. I don't know where the name came from. I got hooked on the first snort and rush that ran threw my scalp. I started shooting it because I was getting spontaneous nose bleeds. I tried crack once but it's not the same. I never understood the love affair with cocaine. I'm tired of talking about dope.
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    Congratulations on being clean, that's quite an accomplishment given the addictive qualities of meth.
    I've never done meth but I am prescribed Adderall and there's no dry mouth symptoms I've experienced on max dose.

    Assuming both meth and Adderall are about the same and I'm not believing that for a second. What this "researcher" isn't discussing is dosage. Adderall has safe dosage limit where meth users are creating a high.
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    Instead of trying to convince people that meth isn't that bad I'd like to see a study on the adverse affects of Adderall on children. This study reeks of a drug company funded farce.
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    This is such a dangeroulsy misleading article that it should be criminal. Do children slam addreal? Do they smoke it? Do they put it in their rectum? Is adreal mixed with draino? Bleach? Battery acid? Gasoline? Ether?
    My lifes work is trying to get people off of meth, who are unbearably addicted, sick, dying, and weigh 1/3 of the best body weight for them. They sell their bodies, steal, and go to jail, rehab, the streets and the morgue.
    I think this "Auhtor" needs to get a grip and realize that someone under a Drs. care, with a controlled substance, dgiven in a prescribed amount, in a safe way is far different than street meth.
    This makes my blood boil.
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    Great post. Dirty doctors are handing out adderall prescriptions to meth heads. They prescribe 100 pills at a time and you can imagine the rest.
    This makes my blood boil, also.
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    Figures you were in addictive services with all that crap. Don't worry, you'll still have your job once we get the truth out there to people and rid ourselves of a nationwide shame on our country, the black market and all that comes with.
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    @Knightkore We never had all these problems until they made it a felony and advertised the hell out of it on every news station in the country. See post 55 It faded away after the 70's and came back with private prisons, add that up........
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    this story isn't right. the reason meth heads teeth decay is because they smoke it. adderroll users do not smoke it. And 'meth users don't become addicted' is a bunch of bullsh. when i was a teenager i was addicted to meth after the first use. hogwash i do declare.
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    Their conclusion that Meth isn't that harmful, because of its similarity to adderall and that adderall doesn't have the same effects borders on the insane. Methanol is chemically almost completely identical to Ethanol, and yet the toxicities are greatly different.
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    "Most meth users don't become addicted, contrary to popular mythology about the drug, Reason writer Jacob Sullum concludes from Hart's study. Over 96% of people who've tried meth did not use it in the past month."
    And I concluded 100% of them were lying. LOL! That was easy.
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    The liars are the legislatures who promote it as addictive. It's a frigging sinus pill condensed, propaganda to justify a law, like marijuana is more addictive than heroin.
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    @Hillofbeans Where does the drano and anhydrous ammonia come into the picture? I can't believe ingesting, snorting, or mainlining that stuff will make a body healthy. Here in Kentucky, they are wanting to legislate that homes that had active meth labs inside should come with a disclaimer.
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    Actual mug shots and photo line ups of the meth heads in our local news after a drug bust tells me all I need to know about the shit! Hell, they look like old zombies at 28 to 40 years old...the 28 year old's look like they're late 30's and some of the 40 yr old's look 60 something. And yes, their teeth are missing or rotting too.
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    Their haggard faces, bad skin, and tooth decay "are more likely related to poor sleep habits, poor dental hygiene, poor nutrition and dietary practices," aka some of the many side effects caused by meth. This article is ridiculous.
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    So, were the bathtub whites we ate back in the '70's the same as meth today? Was one methadrine and the other methamphetamine? BTW, what is the difference betwen the two chemical compounds?? Dang, a chemist is never around when you need one...
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    @Unfit2serve

    I don't think so...maybe close but it appears meth has a lot more shit in it...I mean battery alkaline and anhydrous ammonia. I don't think they were in the "Black Beauties" I used to take when I was operating heavy equipment back then for 12 - 14hr days when I was in my 20's...they kept us going in those long days but we still weren't geeking out with paranoid delusions and hallucinations, and we did brush our teeth.

    ; )
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    One day I was hunting in an area I hadn't been to in years. As I approached a pipeline right of way to take a stand , I was immediately surrounded with guns drawn. Needless to say I hit the ground quickly. I was questioned extensively. When it was determined I was merely a hunter, I was told I could go. Which I did. No use to hunt with agents all over the woods.
    About a week later I read where DEA and local officials had made a major bust in that same spot. It seems that particular pipeline transported anhydrous ammonia.
    A sophisticated group was traveling from Texas and tapping into the pipeline every two or three weeks.
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    Worse, or equally as bad, stuff in legal drugs. The difference is one is supposed to be regulated for safety. But you'll notice just about every legal drug has some very interesting side effects, which are increased with overdosage.
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    I never was brave enough to try meth, thankfully, and was many years sober when it appeared. Although I could never handle taking a large quantity of any drug or drink an excess of alcohol, I was a drug "garbage can" that would try just about anything when I was a kid back in the late 1960's and early 1970's and was just a loser pothead before I wised up. Back in high school, we had what we called "bathtub whites", which I think were a pretty weak concoction of Methadrine ......mostly truck drivers took 'em and even the Military used them 1940 - 1950 or so....... That was either basic Methadrine, or maybe it was methamphetamine,(not sure) in a little tiny pill. They worked like a "stay-awake" pill the first time you took them, but after that they didnt seem to do much for me, so I avoided them. But today's Meth is much more potent, purified into rock form, and since it is smoked and inhaled directly across the sinus mucous membranes and into the lungs, it acts like an corrosive acid on body tissue........and the people that are hooked show the horific flesh-rending effects. I hear the suppposed "high" of the drug is a super-heightening of the senses, including a few days of incredible sexual potency or stamina, all which ends quite abruptly after a day or so, followed by complete impotence when under the effects, thereafter. That is one HELL of a price to pay for a few days of kicks and then an eternity of just trying to maintain your sanity and avoid withdrawals.(sorry for profanity, Bob)
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    @AtsilaKamama One time I saw a stop smoking commercial with DEATH in there... smoking kills but gradually - so why not try a safer method to stop smoking? I think it was worse than what smoking does to a person...
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    No one will believe this because it runs counter to what BIG BROTHER has said. Just like there are no medicinal benefits from marijuana. There was a time when most drugs were legally available, inexpensive, and used by many without any of the problems government insists exist. Then in the early 50's the laws changed. That is also when drug crimes and gangs started.
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    You're kidding right??? I have seen what meth can do. I have seen beautiful women who have everything going for them get into meth and lose everything! They get to a point where their next high is the only thing they care about. They walk the streets at night and look like zombies. The faces in the photos about meth....I've seen them with my own eyes. You can't tell me it isn't addictive. and I don't give a crap what study you are quoting. The crap that people put in that is a whole different ball game then what is created in the lab. You can't convince me.
    If you have the gene for addictive behavior, you're gonna be hooked. Period.
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    Sounds like you're talking about cocaine, never found M to be truly addictive. Nice to have, never 'jonesed' when unavailable. Perhaps the women you saw are using multiple street drugs ?
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    @Leabrand No. It was meth for sure. I didn't mean to vote your comment up. Darn phone. I live in a small community that was riddled with meth heads for a while until they started cracking down. These are people I used to know within the town. Some went to prison and some are still here struggling and some just disappeared. Meth heads will steal your belongings and then help you look for them. That's how much you can trust them. Not far and I don't care to be near it or subject my children to it. It's nasty stuff.
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    Not sure how this study was conducted, but they seemed to have missed a significant issue. Homebrew meth is not even close to pharmaceutical grade, my suspicion is there is a major correlation between the physical evidence of meth addiction and the contaminates. That aside, not everyone has an addictive personality fault. However, for those that do it is quite possible that meth or it's analogues create a "super-addictive" product.

    While I believe that various substances should be available, regulated, and taxed; meth is not one of them. Like crack or ice, addiction to meth is so strong that the personality alterations associated are a threat to society.
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    If it was lab produced it probably wouldn't have all the side effects, but when people are making it using draino, cough syrup, and paint thinner it's going to cause issues!

    Meth was available for years over the counter in cough medicines and tablets. You could actually snap just the methamphetamine side off the tabs.

    Meth isn't a new drug biker gangs have used it since the 60's to stay up and party.
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    Meth was also a ww11 drug used by Japanese soldiers and German soldiers, Hitler who shoot it daily! they were all tweaking even back then doing weird stuff!
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