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    Christian churches have no choice but preach against suicide. Think about it. People are promised an blissful eternal life after this short one is over. All you have to do to get there is believe Jesus was the son of God and ask forgiveness for your sins.(That's debatable, of course, but it is orthodox Christian dogma.)

    People aren't idiots. If they believe that with absolute conviction, anyone with sense would jump ship as soon as possible and encourage others to come along. So while promising paradise in the afterlife, the religion must add a caveat that you don't get there if you commit suicide.

    Personally, I've seen what dying looks like when it's slow and when it's fast. I think anyone who has a terminal illness should be able to arrange for it to be fast, if that's what they want.
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    Anyone can die at anytime they choose.

    We have been killing ourselves since time immemorial.

    Getting that insurance payoff to your family, however...
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    @AntiPorcheria Problem is without a DR's help it often fails or leaves a horrible miss for their family. Failure can lead to serious brain damage & if you ever have someone you love shoot the selves in the head You'll pray you know someone helps you clean it up.
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    @LEC Is there? I'm not sure but I think that's currently a problem -- I think insurance companies don't pay life insurance at all if it's a suicide. That way they avoid people taking out million dollar policies then jumping off a roof to support their families.
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    This issue should not be guided by religion. Only the wishes of the dying should matter with adequate safeguards in place to secure integrity to the process.
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    I think the article is telling in that it is the wealthiest, most educated members of society that most often choose assisted suicide. Sadly the poor, brain washed, religious types feel they must die in misery. No one should have to endure unnecessary pain when there is no hope for sustaining life.
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    @happyhedon You said something correct here..."endure unnecessary pain when there is no hope for sustaining life."
    We already have this...hospice.
    However, the real question is whether a person can have life ending drugs administered to themselves when they feel that it is time to die. And, whether they should be able to do so when, from a medical standpoint, doctors do not concur with that decision.
    And, I disagree that "Sadly the poor, brain washed, religious types feel they must die in misery." That is a pitiful statement. It is totally untrue.
  • #77
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    @seedtick
    A hospice will give drugs freely...but if you've ever dealt with someone dying and in extreme pain you would realize that drugs don't help them much...everyone should have a right to determine if they wish to cling to an ending life in pain...or just end it with dignity.
    As for my other statement it's just taking the stats from the article. I do feel that many people are indoctrinated into religion and never even seriously consider the possibility that none of it is true...and I think that's sad...they allow it to shape every decision in their life...but never really even ask why?
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    Understand, the biggest resistance to assisted suicide is the AMA and not for the reason one might think.$$$$$$$$$ Two more weeks, two more months big money. If you knew you had six weeks to live and at the end, you were going to leave your family with hundreds of thousands in debt, what would you do?
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    I understand perfectly the reasoning. I've watched both of my parents endure months of pain as each lost their battle with cancer. Both of my parents forwent the last ditch efforts to maybe buy another week, or maybe a month and both had DNR's.

    Neither ever said anything that suggested it, but if they had, I admit part of me would have wanted to. So like I said. I understand the line of reasoning.

    I still believe that as a society, cloning, designer babies, and doctors assisting in death is not somewhere we want to go.
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    Aside from moral obligations, I worry it could be slowly transitioned into a mandatory program, and be used on Christians as well.
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    @BobSmith Your disgustingly deluded victim mentality is astounding. No one gives enough shits about your silly beliefs to kill you! We just don't want you meddling in political affairs to try to oppress others. Just because we don't want you inserting superstition into government doesn't mean anyone is on a mission to slowly legalize exterminating Christians. You are so unbelievably not special- but you have been deluded into thinking that your ideas are somehow dangerous or so against the status quo that people working for the devil want to silence you. In fact, the opposite is true. You are on a long list of deluded people with crazy ideas, and people are ONLY concerned about your group when you try to take tax money to support it, or to insert your religious notions into legislation, or to change education standards to teach superstition instead of science. That doesn't mean anyone wants you dead.
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    Having seen people suffer from terminal illnesses I think they have the right to choose when they have had enough and want to go. It is not an easy thing to let someone you care about go but when it will end their suffering it is the right thing to do.
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    Having seen people suffer from terminal illnesses I think they have the right to choose when they have had enough and want to go. It is not an easy thing to let someone you care about go but when it will end their suffering it is the right thing to do.

    Your post deserves repeating
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    I watched my father suffer a long agonizing death. I swore it would not happen to me if I could help it. Under most circumstances I will die an easy clean death in a warm tub, drinking my favorite scotch and taking pills that will eventually put me to sleep, permanently.
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    Yeah, but the whole pill thing worries me. I've heard of people taking two or three bottles of pills, and just throwing them up. Some have awakened in a hospital to find the pills didn't kill them and have disabled them. Personally, I'll drop the plugged-in toaster into the bathtub with me.
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    @twinertia The kind of pills I have will certainly do it. I would not need many and I have at least ten times what it should take. They are not likely to be thrown up. They will be dissolved in the scotch and have no taste. I have gone to much trouble to verify the surety of this plan. I do not anticipate having to test his until I am at least 95. My probably life expectancy is in the law hundreds.
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    I've noticed when it comes to personal choices, certain individuals who beat their drums about government interference in citizens' private lives, personal accountability and responsibility, and nanny states, SUDDENLY change their tune when it comes to things like this. If you don't want the government dictating your religious beliefs, then you have no business requesting that same government to dictate the lives of others based on your religion. Difficult concept to grasp when you think you're right all the time and your opinion is the only one that matters.
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    A person should be able to die with dignity if that is their desire. I have seen people die slowly and painfully and their death was not only damaging to the person but to the persons family. I would much rather go my way than have my family remember me suffering and living without the dignity that I desire.
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    I am not sure about Switzerland, but here in Oregon, TWO doctors' opinions are required, attesting to the fact that the patient is incurable. The patient also undergoes counseling before the assisted suicide is permitted. I think also,(I may be wrong,) that the doctor prescribes and sets up the concoction, and the patient, himself, pulls the pin.
    Personally, if I ever decide to go that route, I think I''ll just take a bottle of sleeping pills and a few shots of rum and go to sleep. The bullet to the head just leaves a horrifying and horrible mess for someone else to clean up.
    But it's a personal choice, and we all have it, legal or not.
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    Going the way you suggest isn't as easy as you think. Those pills can be 2 small a dose I simply result in brain or organ damage that simply leaves you to weak or mentally incapable of qualifying for assisted suicide.You are right, The Dr isn't present when you take the cocktail. I worked with many people who wanted to exit this stage but few succeed. One Aunt , an RN did it with IV Morphine at a military hospital. Dr. told her husband she used the correct dose.
  • #163
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    Do you know some pills just fill you up and you puke before reaching a critical level? If I decide I can't handle the pain I'll go with a Doctor's assistance. Many of our Oncologists supported the measure & the leading petitioner was my father-in-law's Oncologist.
  • #36
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    We do it to save animals from suffering so why should we not do it to help humans avoid excess suffering?
  • #78
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    There will be no assistance for me. When I start showing signs of what runs in my family, that's when the game is over. I can end my life by myself and I'm not afraid to do it.
  • #64
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    People kill themselves every day with obesity (over eating), alcohol, drugs, guns, cigarettes, religion, beliefs (cults), over-work, lack of exercise, and stress, and the hang up here is having someone assist in the process during an excruciatingly painful disease? Good effin' grief.
  • #203
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    As mixed as my feelings are, as I watched my dad on a ventilator for 2 yrs. and I wanted him to die...I think it is up to God, He creates life and He should be the one who determines when we die. So hard to watch, but, God is in control of everything . " There is a time for every purpose under Heaven".
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    I have spent a lot of time in hospitals and nursing homes, but less that two hours at a time because that is all that I can stand before making my escape. We are not saviors or doing some elderly people any favors by making them continue to exist. With feeding tubes or three nutritious meals each day and medical care, I dread and fear that elderly people can be kept alive for too many years. They have a right to die. Living with dignity does not include being immobile or blind or deaf or mute or in pain while you piss and crap all over yourself. Do what you choose to do...but stay and walk and look around and observe and listen and learn for more than one hour or two. This is why you had better get a DNR with a Living Will.
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    @Cool-Warrior

    I spent a year or two working as a Nursing Asst. in a couple of Nursing homes. Believe when your right, not a place you want to spent you last days. Though I hear the Jews have wonderful private non profit nursing homes.
  • #86
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    For those of you inclined to "take pills and drink your favorite scotch" to end it all, have some pity on those who follow you and leave some notification so that your remains can be found before you begin to putrify. Somehow I imagine finding a three week old corpse decomposing in the tub isn't much more pleasant than finding him on the front porch with a bullet hole in his forehead.

    I am not against the idea of suicide or euthanasia... I think that is a decision for the person involved and nobody else. But have some consideration for those who will have to clean up your remains, will you? If nothing else, mail a letter to the police chief in a city in the next state asking him to call your local police. That ought to take at least two days to get there; plenty of time to check out without fear of interruption.
  • #81
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    Unless there is a clear mental condition that would require institutionalization, if you want to go, no problem. It would save a great deal of money also as the last months of life are also the most expensive in many cases.
  • #65
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    I get one death. We are lucky to die- of all the possible people that could be in our place, we, through wonderfully fortuitous happenstance, get to experience this unlikely mix of consciousness, happiness, fear, life, and death. When death comes for me, I hope to look it straight in the eye.
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    @SmarterThanYou

    Death is the last great adventure we get to have in this life, maybe there is another one after, but I certainly see no reason why this one's end should be a horrible painful death for anyone so long as we can die peacefully with a little help.
  • #84
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    I support it to an certain extent. Only in the case where a person has something so detrimentally terminal that quality of life would be vastly impaired and there's no chance of coming back from it.
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