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  • #14
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    They should have single shots, by the anti- constitutionalist logic the rigors of combat, stress and adrenaline should be out weighted by their superior training, if they can't hit in one shot they deserve not to defend themselves.
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    @Arumizy
    I think police should have to follow the same guidelines. Especially since it's been shown in California how trigger happy the Brownshirts are!

    I have to laugh. I have a family member who is a police officer in a city in New Jersey. He carries high cap mags while on duty. When he gets off duty he has to lock his high cap mags up and carry 10 rounders when off duty. Idiotic.
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    @Arumizy personally I think any person who is a public figure and is against CCW should not be allowed to have armed security. I mean if you don't feel others have a right to security in public why should they? Or is it the true underlying wish which is only the wealthy be armed.
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    Another judge that has no concept of what the 2nd amendment is for. It's not only for self defense but it's main purpose is defense against elitists such as himself.
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    @Arumizy The constitution does not address magazine capacity, as the only firearms in existence at the time were single shot, muzzle loaded weapons.
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    @Poltal the constitution does address it as a function of the right to bear arms. In the same way it allowed the right to keep black powder and lead as it was needed for the musket to function. As well the descriptor for the intent of the 2nd amendment is militia service which means we need weapons capabilities matching of the military.
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    @Poltal "The National Guard serves a dual role. Most of the time, it’s under the control of individual states, with the state governor acting as commander in chief. However, the president can activate the National Guard and place it under federal control. When this occurs, guard units are used to supplement the regular Army, bolstering its forces with additional combat units."
    http://science.howstuffworks.com/national-gua...

    Not much good for the purpose they were intended. Well, that leaves the citizens and their "arms".
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    It does not solve any problem. First, those who wish to commit mass murder will just switch to larger caliber rounds that are far less survivable. Second, changing magazines takes only a couple of seconds. Not enough time for those being shot at to react. Third, with the ability to do three dee printing or basic metal working skills and tools and a set of plans, someone could make all the high capacity magazines they want for any type of weapon that can handle a removable magazine.

    So, instead of addressing issues of mental health problems, it is a feel good bandage on the boo boo. In other words a waste of time and effort.
  • #26
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    Oh it's liberal weenies thinking "See, look how good we did"...until some other tragedy happens.

    You can equate it to the NRA wishing to make laws regarding manscaping and cross dressing. A joke.
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    Not to mention the people who wish to commit mass murder don't care about the law in the first place. I'll bet good money mass murder is already illegal in Sunnyvale, CA.
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    "it is rare that anyone will need to fire more than 10 rounds in self-defense,"

    "A well regulated militia being necessary to the security of a free state, the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed."

    Can someone show me where self-defense is mentioned here?
  • #168
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    Can you show how it isn't the intention?

    We all recognize the danger of selling rpgs out of corner stores. Unless you want to defend that too.

    Basically we are trying to balance public safety with individual rights.
    Trust me, if push comes to shove and you need a magazine with higher capacity, they aren't that hard to make. If you are acting in the defense of the country, you will get them regardless of local laws.
    However, if you are acting as an individual planning an attack on a wedding, or supermarket, or elementary school, if it is found out that you have high-capacity magazines at any time during your planning period, you are now under a microscope (after you serve time in jail, parole, and/or probation).
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    Oh hey, lets not forget that jails and prisons are the leading provider of mental health care in this country. It might do the crazies some good to get arrested before they use that clip to do some serious harm.
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    And like I said in another post. An outright ban is probably not the right way to go. You need a license to own these high cap magazines. I am all for concealed carry permits. We just test people to a higher degree of competency of whether or not we feel they are responsible enough to own a high capacity magazine.
    I think we could all agree on some very basic safety and mental health issues here.
    Society should not enshrine the ability for James Holmes to acquire high capacity magazines!
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    What this is is a ban on standard capacity magazines, now manufacturers will have to produce more low capacity magazines just for sale in certain areas. It makes no sense other than as a feel good measure, and as another incremental step towards eliminating the second amendment.
  • #59
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    Or just do what some gun manufacturers have already done: Simply stop selling guns in California, period. There are plenty of gun shops in Arizona, Nevada, and Oregon who welcome the business.
  • #172
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    This is just another law that hardly anyone will obey. Just look at CT, over 100,000 people there are ignoring the recent gun ban laws, and the gun grabbers there are throwing a hissy fit and even saying they're going to go house to house even if it causes a war and millions die.
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    "it is rare that anyone will need to fire more than 10 rounds in self-defense,"

    1) tell that to the people who did need more then 10 rounds.
    2) self defense is only one of the protections of the 2nd amendment.
    3) just what level of "public safety" does it provide? This is where I have the biggest problem with these bans, is that their is some kind of pretend world where a lower magazine count would have protected unarmed teachers or kids.
  • #276
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    @LarryV People who aren't trained SEALS, under pressure, fine motor goes to...in a hand basket. Tunnel vision. Auditory exclusion. Never been there? Trained professional? Read the article. Read Massad Ayoob? Obviously not.
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    @Willozwisp ....I know what I know from experience not reading a book. If one isn't trained to use a gun properly they shouldn't have one. How can you condone the use of a gun and demand bigger magazines for people not trained to use them? That is total insanity!!
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  • #54
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    Just a cheap jab at the 2nd Amendment that will solve NOTHING....The mentally ill go untreated.....The gangs control our city streets.....Our elderly and disabled are at the mercy of predators.....The criminals (who ignore the laws) will have the large clips...
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    @Unfit2serve The study concluded that crime is going down because more citizens are being pro-active in their own self-defense.....Criminals like unarmed victims and gun free zones. I live in Anytown, USA 55555...Phone# 555-555-5555
  • #118
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    Large capacity magazines over 10 rounds were already made illegal in California after 1/1/2000. Any magazine owned prior that date is legal under most circumstances. Sunnyvale has basically said we don't care if you've had it for years prior to 2000, it's now illegal. Another useless feel good law that serves no purpose. Like Berkley, California making themselves a No Nuke zone. Yea that will stop the Feds moving nukes through the area or an incoming ICBM from a foreign country. Any sheet metal shop or hobbyist can make a magazine in a few minutes and anyone with a lathe/drill press can manufacture a firearm if they want to go for the effort. I can perform mag changes on my Colt 1911A1 (8 round mags) in less than a second and on my S&W Combat Magnum Revolver with six round speed loaders in about 1.2 seconds (I've been timed in competition). I've seen guys on the range that can do mag changes coupled with fast, accurate shooting before the first mag hits the ground. The only thing the law may stop is untrained klutzes, who can't handle a gun in the first place, being rushed by the people they're shooting. But, that probably won't work as most people will be hiding under desks and chairs hoping not to get shot. As for comments on the Militia and National Guard.(10 US Civil Code section 311). There was originally the local militia (you, me, and any male between 17-45, now called the unorganized militia), the organized militia or State militia (now called the National Guard and organized by law during WWI to give the Federal Government more control over arming and organizing the State's militias). The difference between the two militias was that the local militia brought their own weapons and ammo to the common defense. The state militia was organized and supplied arms/ammo/uniforms/etc. by the state government.(Now the Federal Government provides the weapons/ammo/training/etc.). Technically if war came to the US, the President (or in some states, the governors) could call up the unorganized militia for the common defense of the nation.
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    This will go to the SCOTUS eventually, either they will uphold the constitution or they will not and allow the anti-constitutionalist to win.
  • #65
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    Yeah, I get scared every time I open up my safe.

    That pic makes me nervous with items that make it easier to sight and carry. Downright makes me tremble.
  • #83
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    Amen...well said

    You see however
    For many liberals today, the word “tolerance” does not mean what it is intended to mean. Rather, it means being “tolerant” of everything…except things that disagree with the liberal ideology.
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    @Vance1 Conservative ideology is intolerance to everything unless it is something they themselves agree with or are in to.
  • #97
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    @Vance1 I didn't know I had to display everything about my personal life to debate here. This isn't Facebook. GROW UP!
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  • #20
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    Losing more 2nd amendment rights...it's what you get when Dimocrats run the place! Go after the citizens and not the criminals with another "feely good law"!
  • #131
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    There are tens of millions of Large-capacity gun magazines now what good will it do to ban them? It's the usual thing it only effects the law abiding gun owner. The criminal doesn't care if they are illegal or not.
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