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    I can't help but think that maybe he should've put some effort into being around for his son. 2 years since he'd seen him? My half brother's dad moved off after the divorce from my mom and it left him with a lot of anger issues and feelings of insecurity. I just couldn't leave my son like that.
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    @Slowmo Probably more to it than what he's told, that's either none of our business on that level, or what he can't face enough to tell. We won't even know really, no matter how much more is told.
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    "Peter Lanza is an accountant who is vice president for taxes at General Electric subsidiary GE Energy Financial Services. Peter and Nancy Lanza separated in 2001 and divorced in 2009. He said he last saw Adam in October 2010. He said he wanted to maintain contact, but Nancy Lanza wrote to say that Adam didn't want to see his father."

    That isn't an excuse. Sorry, but he could have at least tried to be a father. He hadn't seen his own son in 2 years before this event. He also said this,“With hindsight, I know Adam would have killed me in a heartbeat, if he’d had the chance," Peter Lanza told the New Yorker. "I don’t question that for a minute." http://news.yahoo.com/peter-lanza-adam-lanza-...

    If Peter Lanza actually thought his son was capable of killing him, why didn't he have his son committed? Even if said in "hindsight" he obviously had reason to believe that his son was violent.
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    @TigerLandSC
    True. You have to understand though, I guess. I have a family member with autism and for no real reason he will not let his family put photos of him on the walls and freaks out if they try. So, it looks as if they favor one kid when it is just that he won't let them. That's just one example. It has nothing to do with the family having done something to him.

    Strange behavior is sometimes a symptom though, most of the time, not violent.
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    @tomincali If it ever comes to the point where i think my son might kill me, I will do everything in my power to get him help. I am sure most parents would, too. maybe the mother tried? Is there any evidence of that? I do realize that decent mental health is hard to find...
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    There is nothing the father could have knowingly done different. He shouldn't beat himself up for what his son did. Also, his son was not "evil", he was sick.
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    I remember reading a quote from a book called "Making It Right: A Common Sense Approach to Criminal Justice", by a now retired Judge. In it, he quoted a long-time psychiatrist of St. Elizabeth's Hospital (for the Criminally Insane) as saying.'There is no such thing as 'criminally insane'. Some people are just evil'. I believe that. The overwhelming majority of people who are mentally ill are not evil. Even among those that might be considered violently mentally ill, there is no ability or thought given to planning, scheming, attempts to destroy evidence (computer hard-drive) and carrying out an attack , as was done by Adam Lanza. I was a probation and parole officer for many years, and I defer to the experienced and well-studied- books and personal experiences- Doctor. The same thing can be said as to the Aurora Movie Shooter, and Cho the Virginia Tech Shooter, etc. Some people are just plain evil.'The eyes are a window into our souls'. You have to be especially evil to murder the woman who carried you for 9 months, and cared for you, fed you, gave you a roof over your head, kept you in clothes, and protected you all of those years. Evil, I tell you.
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    This is what I was thinking.....if that was his attitude before the shooting.....do you think Adam would be where he is now along with all his victims.....sometimes we affect people in more ways then we think.....where was the dad in his life.....and as you mention Adam was sick.....not quite sure some people know how to deal with that.....
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    @GedankPol Read a couple books by Kurt Koch.....demonic possession or oppression, occultic involvement can lead many times to someone showing signs of mental illness.....Kurt Koch would investigate cases and when all scientific explanation was exhausted would find many times some kind of occult involvement either directly or indirectly.....in this day and age people choose not to believe many times that the occult and demons do indeed come into play.....
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    Theodore Kaczynski Sr., Lionel Dahmer, Julian Ramirez......
    They all know the feeling.

    Some people are just broken and there's nothing that can be done to fix them. At the best, they can be managed.
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    @Frisbee - Adam Lanza was not a serial killer like Dahmer, Ramirez and Kaczynski. They may share some feelings in common, but not quite.
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    All I know is that that face gives me the creeps. There's "something" behind his odd facial expressions...and it's scary. That's pretty much with all the available pictures of him out there.
  • #67
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    Exactly! You just look at him and read his history and anyone with common sense says LOCK HIM UP. To many crazy people allowed to live on their own devices and walk around freely.
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    I feel very sorry for him. That the courts allow the mother to keep the kid away from the father is terrible. If the kid had regular contact with his dad things might have been very different. I lived through a similar situation with my older daughter. She finally got to move in with me when she was 16. She has not seen her mother since. Her choice. Her mother has not bothered to try to see either of her grandchildren. My first wife was stuck with the emotional makeup of a 4 year old. That was our psychiatrists conclusion before I chose to divorce her. She got the kid. The kid went through hell until she was able to break away.
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    But that is not the case here. Adam Lanza chose not to see his father. He was 18 in 2010, and didn't have to see his father at all because he was an adult.
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    Just because a kid came into the world with something wrong with him/her that s/he isn't able to control doesn't excuse the father's insensitive attitude. Also, even if Adam Lanza were to be killed, there'd always be someone like him to take his place, if one gets the drift.
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    Government is too big. Too small. Too much interference. Not enough. Stay out of our lives. Personal responsibility. Don't tell parents what to do with their kids. Why didn't the authorities step in? It's none of their business. Too much over reach. Not enough. He was legally an adult. You can't institutionalize someone who hasn't done anything. Nobody wins.
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    @raindropsonros

    Had he got the help he so desperately needed maybe none of that would have occurred. But labeling people with mental disabilities human detectives is a tad cruel don't you think. Sometimes mental disorders develop later in life and god forbid anything ever happens to your mental state.
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    I find it hard to believe that had he been there nothing at all could have been different. Good way to wash your hands of it though.
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    Of course he is correct. Virtually all of the mass murders of recent times have been committed by seriously mentally ill people. Aurora theater, Virginia tech, Sandy Hook, Navy Yard provide a few examples. If we want to prevent these crimes that is where we should concentrate our efforts.
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    Except for the Navy Yard shooter, I don't recall seeing anything indicating that any of the mass shooters had a "serious mental illness"... where did you get that info from?
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    @DogLady_1

    You are kidding right?? Holmes here in Colorado has already been determined by one group of psychiatrists to be insane and has plead not guilty by reason of insanity.

    VA. Tech:
    http://www.medpagetoday.com/Psychiatry/Anxiet...
    http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/...

    Sandy Hook: listen to the father.
    http://www.usnews.com/news/articles/2013/11/2... If this crazy little SOB had gotten the help and treatment he should have gotten all of those children would be alive today.

    I don't believe that any of them were legally insane, but they were ALL crazier than a squirrel on crack.
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    @richstacy - I wasn't kidding, so I'm glad you provided the info for me...

    "Insanity" is a legal term, not a medical one. One can be "insane" without having a mental illness, such as a man who kills the guy sleeping with his wife.

    Lanza had Asperger's which is a mental disability, not a psychosis. There is no evidence that Lanza was "crazier than a squirrel on crack"... I wouldn't believe a word his father says. He's throwing his own son under the bus to save his own face.

    And not everyone who seeks mental health services is psychotic, mentally ill, or "insane"... some go for life counseling, to work through grief, anxiety, fears, marriage/family problems, etc.

    And psychiatrists who specialize in treating schizophrenia also see people for other conditions... It's not like a heart specialist who only treats hearts... Schizophrenia just happens to be what they are passionate about in their research and practice.

    http://live.wsj.com/video/probing-mental-illn... #!59D33B6A-FE23-4BB0-8947-A5FE 44A9E5FD
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    @DogLady_1

    You are being overly technical. As one who has prosecuted cases, both successfully and unsuccessfully, against the insanity defense I can tell you that you have it exactly wrong. Truth is you can be pretty crazy and yet not be legally insane because you retain the ability to distinguish between right and wrong. I would not contend that either Holmes (Aurora) or this kid at Sandy Hook were insane, but there is no question whatsoever that they were both bat feces nuts. People who are not seriously mentally disturbed simply do not do the things they did. Yet both undoubtedly knew what they were doing was wrong.

    BTW the guy who kills his wife for sleeping with another man is not insane (as you seem to think) he is merely "pissed off" (legal term of art :-) and accordingly may be convicted of manslaughter in the heat of passion rather than murder 1.
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    Dear Sir,
    I appreciate your sentiment but there is already a far worse evil abroad in the land than your son's killings at Sandy Hook Elementary. That evil is the political posturing and the self-serving gun grabbing going on by Democrats in the name of preventing another Sandy Hook. It is unvarnished tyranny. Their is no other word for it.

    Their proposals would not have prevented Sandy Hook had they been in place before hand but they will trample the Constitutional rights of law abiding citizens to no good purpose other than the political grandstanding of the politicians.

    That is true evil. Sic Semper Tyrannis!
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    Your statement is absolutely ridiculous. Trying to make this into a gun rights/ gun control issue makes you no better than the liberals.
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    I didn't start it. It was the Democrat party that exploited the tragedy for their political gain at the expense of our Constitutionally protected rights.

    You think that my calling them on their insensitivity and tyranny is somehow equivalent? Hardly. Get your head on straight.
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    Of course the world would have been better off without that weird little p.o.s. Its too bad he wasn't killed earlier in his miserable, pathetic life.
  • #155
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    If you look at this boy it is obvious that he had major mental health issues. Why did the parents then train him to use automatic weapons??
  • #146
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    Well obviously if Adam Lanza had never been born then a whole bunch of kids and school employees would still be alive. That's a given.

    The only thing that I would take exception to is his statement that Asperger's syndrome could mask schizophrenia. I worked for mental health and I don't think schizophrenics are any more dangerous than the general public. Doubtless there are schizophrenics who commit crimes, so does everybody else. Actually, the schizophrenics that I have known tend to be rather shy, withdrawn people in their dealing with the general public. To make a long story short they want to be left alone.
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    Well obviously if Peter Lanza had not impregnated a woman with Adam Lanza then a whole bunch of kids and school employees would still be alive. That's a given.
  • #152
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    I totally agree with you about Asperger's and schizophrenia... People with those conditions are far less likely to harm or kill someone than people with no mental health conditions.
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    @DogLady_1

    One of the problems with the mental health system is that nobody can define what "normal" is.

    It is also quite adept at coming up with diagnosis which further decreases the range of "normal".
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    @gammler - Normal IS defined by the mental health system of care... It is firstly defined by the person himself. If your thoughts and behaviors are keeping you from doing what your culture and society consider everyday mainstream activities, then you may decide you are not normal.

    "Normal" is defined as behaviors and thoughts within the norms of a societal group. The criteria vary from one culture and group to another...

    But even in medical terms, "normal" is a spectrum of behaviors and thoughts, not a narrow set of criteria.

    For instance, normal blood pressure is a range between 60/100 to 90/140... Not everyone outside of 80/120 is considered at risk of death. Just like, not everyone who hears voices is mentally ill. Almost all people have experienced hearing someone call their name when no one was around, for instance... or seeing something out of the corner of your eye when nothing has moved. People can cry for months after losing a loved one and not be diagnosed with Depression... mood swings are not always indicative of Bi-Polar Disorder...
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    I feel so sorry for him, he has to be suffering on so many levels. As a parent he definitely is probably bashing himself for not doing enough to cure him. What a shame.
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    @bluedragonfly
    You don't think that is a horribe thing for a father to have to admit? I think you do since you said it took courage.
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