• #11
    How about banning GM products outright... keep your toxins out of my corn. Heck, at least require GM products to be labeled so I can avoid ingesting root worm toxins.
  • #70
    Yeah, I don't think it should have been messed with to begin with.

    Uh.... it doesn't affect sour mash does it??????????
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  • #2
    Whaaaaa???? Americans not listening to scientists? Shut the front door! Next you're going to tell me there are Americans who don't believe scientists who tout.....what's that thingy called....oh yeah....climate change.
  • #13
    Jeez, now you're just being silly.
    There is no way a 7 fold increase in population in 180 years PLUS an industry age never seen before PLUS close to a billion vehicles in use PLUS old growth forests/jungles being denuded at (still) record numbers will cause climate change. The Earth has been having these above mentioned changes for billions of years (or 6000 years, depending on who you are discussing this with).
  • #23

    I’m tired of these self-righteous environmentalists, these white, bourgeois liberals who think the only thing wrong with this country is that there aren’t enough bicycle paths. People trying to make the world safe for Volvos. Besides, environmentalists don’t give a shit about the planet. Not in the abstract they don’t. You know what they’re interested in? A clean place to live. Their own habitat. They’re worried that some day in the future they might be personally inconvenienced. Narrow, unenlightened self-interest doesn’t impress me.

    The planet has been through a lot worse than us. Been through earthquakes, volcanoes, plate tectonics, continental drift, solar flares, sun spots, magnetic storms, the magnetic reversal of the poles … hundreds of thousands of years of bombardment by comets and asteroids and meteors, worldwide floods, tidal waves, worldwide fires, erosion, cosmic rays, recurring ice ages … And we think some plastic bags and some aluminum cans are going to make a difference? The planet isn’t going anywhere. WE are!"

    George Carlin
  • #25
    @drpeeper I would've had to ask Mr. Carlin (who I thought was both very funny and insightful) how many people had to die from "earthquakes, volcanoes, plate tectonics, continental drift, solar flares, sun spots, magnetic storms, the magnetic reversal of the poles … hundreds of thousands of years of bombardment by comets and asteroids and meteors, worldwide floods, tidal waves, worldwide fires, erosion, cosmic rays, recurring ice ages".......and many of those mentioned items men did NOT see or experience.
    I don't know about anyone else, but, I don't want to live through many of those things mentioned.
  • #29
    @Now_What Then ask Science to make it the "Law of Man-madeGlobal Climate Change" Ball is in their court.(Hint: No one will do it)
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  • #9
    The EPA should more strictly enforce all it's regs but they get beat-up regularly by business interests, resulting in Congressional mandates and funding reductions, so they hardly enforce anything anymore.
  • #103
    They don't have the manpower nor do they have the authority. The EPA have been villified and neutered. The last adminstration nearly gutted them. This current Congress is more than a little unfriendly towards them. The conservative members on here can tell you how ineffectual and useless they are and that they stand in the way of progress. Right about a minute before they whine that the river was polluted by substances unknown and contaminated the drinking water for over a million people. Or a storage facility that shouldn't be storing ammonium nitrate explodes and takes out half the town. Then they can use that as proof that the agency the understaffed, cut the budget to and stripped of any authority is ineffectual.
    This is just common sense anyway. It takes real nitwits to not see something like this coming. Over specialization breeds in weakness. Reliance on one strain of something like the GMO products is exactly what cause the potato famine. Something like this can be seen coming a mile away. Diversity is what makes life dynamic and robust. If we were all the same one bug could wipe us all out.
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  • #85
    This is what heppens when idiot corporate friendly regulators allow corporations to poison the food chain with GMO crops. These BT resistant insects are now a greater danger to the entire food supply. If americans had any brains, and the election of Bush, Pelosi, Bohner and McConnel shows that many donot, they would start boycotting all anerican foods that are not labeled GMO free. Make some of the makor food companies lose millions of dollars until they stop using GMO products. They should also flood congress and FDA with letters telling them not to allow GMO salmon to be permitted, lest they want GMO induced problems in the ocean similar to the GMO problems we are now seeing with several crops (corn isn't the only problem).
  • #107
    Nice to see you, Spice. Happy to see you're still picking on both (R) & (D) equally.
    We'll both keep trying, even if the horse has already died and made into glue, won't we?
  • #110
    Have you ever used tobacco products? Do you realize that the nicotine produced by the tobacco plant is a natural insecticide? It's a deadly poison.

    There is nothing wrong or dangerous with this copying of what nature does by itself anyway. Ever take penicillin or other antibiotic for an infection? The problem was that corn was being damaged by worms. Conferring resistance to worms is something many plants do by producing chemicals which ward off the prey. Man is merely copying nature. It's not so bad.
  • #117
    @Russell797 Most people say GMO and get easily defensible. If it wasnt for most GMO's, we would be living in a whole different world. Gmo's in animal product, GMO that changes chemical nature of the fruit of the plant....not so good...but most are completely harmless.
  • #121
    @Russell797 Yep, we use tobacco spray for our garden. Just boil a cigarette in some water for a bit, put it in a spray, and away you go. Perfectly safe for food too!
  • #147
    @Russell797 One of my husband's chores as a child was picking the bugs off his dad's tobacco plants. He would have been delighted to know that all bugs hate tobacco plants. But variety is the spice of life, to bugs as well as people. Funny how some bugs evolved to eat that poison.
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  • #83
    Ironic isn't interference with nature caused an adaptation within nature to guarantee something's survival.
  • #105
    @Denizen_Kate that's basic adaptation, call me when the root worm becomes the root pterodactyl.
  • #118
    @Arumizy Impossible. Sulfur rich oxygen doesnt exist in the quantities that the giant reptilian dinosaur family Pterosaur needs. Nor do insects evolve into reptiles, that never happened.
  • #132
    @Arumizy A key form of evolution is adaption. That's how evolution works. As the environment changes, species either change or go extinct.

    Its kinda something we have been telling deniers about.
  • #135
    Although the evolution angle isn't what I was aiming for it's interesting. Mankind, in its infinite wisdom and uncanny ability to manipulate nature and the environment, will find out in due time the very nature it wishes to conquer is going to turn around and bite us right in the ass.
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  • #71
    It's all coming back to bite us in the @$$. Genetically modified food = genetically modified people = more diseases/illnesses that cannot be stopped or properly treated. All those farmers bought into the Monsanto BS...
  • #3
    ! is the root(worm) of all evil.......
    It appears that farmers wanted all they could produce, damn what those idiotic scientists say!
  • #113
    Well, there is no real proof one way or the other yet. Although I don't like playing lab rat seeing if they are OK or not.
    They could be bad for you. They could not be. The really scary thing is th the thought that even if the GMO is fine there is no telling what kind of mutations happen in the future from these new genes. So safe and robust GMO today could pass on mutations that produce poisons that effect us or even destroy the nutritional value of the food source in future generations.. We might not find these things out until the genetics have been passed among the whole gene pool from cross pollination among non GMO crops. Then it is to late to do anything.
    I can tout the message of plant heirloom and non GMO varieties in your own garden, but the truth is that is only a short term solution if you want to resist GMO's in your food chain.. Those non GMO varieties aren't going to last and eventually vanish from cross pollination from GMO's othe places. It is not going to happen overnight or even in my lifetime say, but it will eventually happen.
  • #123
    @raindropsonros We don't know for sure what the dangers are so we should be more careful with these GMOs until we know. I found links to some studies that were interesting.
    You will always hear that we need them in order to feed an ever growing population..... so they admit that we are overpopulated and don't have enough food to sustain so many people, it is also straining other resources BTW. The solution would be to decrease population instead of feeding us potentially toxic, life endangering foods but they see the dollar signs in producing more food.
    "The American Academy of Environmental Medicine (AAEM) doesn’t think so. The Academy reported that “Several animal studies indicate serious health risks associated with GM food,” including infertility, immune problems, accelerated aging, faulty insulin regulation, and changes in major organs and the gastrointestinal system. The AAEM asked physicians to advise patients to avoid GM foods."

    "Before the FDA decided to allow GMOs into food without labeling, FDA scientists had repeatedly warned that GM foods can create unpredictable, hard-to-detect side effects, including allergies, toxins, new diseases, and nutritional problems. They urged long-term safety studies, but were ignored."
  • #124
    @Darkdreamer Over population is a myth.. There is more than enough food to go around. What the problem is, is that the food is destroyed to keep commodity prices high.
    Talk of decreasing the population reeks of mass genocide by a world government.
    Who decides which groups stay and go, and who has that moral right to make that decision? Totalitarianism at it's strongest.
  • #165
    @raindropsonros "Who decides which groups stay and go, and who has that moral right to make that decision?"

    Conservatives. I keep waiting for the death camps to be built...
  • #172
    @viniketa Mass killing and genocide certainly has been carried out by extreme leftist groups. So I believe you.. Nazi's, fascist, communists, etc. all leftist.
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  • #142
    It doesn't take a rocket scientist to realize that all the efforts to curb infections and viruses is actually brought a greater danger to humans. Many of the kinds of bacteria that were natually helpful are being mutated by successive generations evolving and being resistant to the anti-bacterial agents supplementary to practically all detergents and disinfectants not including about 25% of EVERY food we eat. Genetics is a great benefit to us in many respects because it has brought about vaccines to prevent deadly epidemics and even cures for some viruses and bacterial infections. It on the other hand is creating an imbalance in nature by eradicating good bacteria and mutating toxic bacteria to even higher toxic levels. If science continues in it's efforts to create stronger and stronger bacteria...this may sound like science fiction, we may someday develop a virus so powerful that we ourselves will be IT'S infection and we will ALL die because NONE of us will be immune.
  • #112
    Our society has become entirely dependent upon science and technology. Our modern lifestyle is a direct consequence of innovative advancement made in the sciences. Science created our modern world and science must be listened to in order to maintain it. Wise up people!
  • #27
    Not surprised, about the same thing happened with antibiotics being overprescribed. The EPA should known what would happen.
  • #15
    Evidence of Evolution by Artificial Selection. These farmers must have been home-schooled by creationists. THIS is why science is so important! Real science, not bible science!
  • #171
    the EPA should be disbanded, they fail on a daily bases and have damaged our economy more than any other agency or action or group in this nation.
  • #148
    The EPA hasn't a clue.

    Ever wonder why people are having digestive issues, weight issues, allergy issues, etc... with therir (nothing can be wrong with it - cuz, we kinda tested it) GMO foods?

    Maybe it's because it's generating its own toxins...

    Just say'n.

    If the bugs are supposed to like it, then why should it be a slam dunk to US that it's harmless.

    Now, just a few years later (= bunches of bug life cycles), the surviving bugs are now thriving bugs.
    The consumer on the other hand is still stuck in their current evolutionary cycle.
    The foods - they keep a change'n.
    The stomach is the same.


    Our EPA is certifiably sure that the food is doing US no harm.... sure
  • #133
    Remember that old commercial back in the 60's or 70's about margarine with the old lady comparing her margarine to butter? " It's not nice to fool Mother Nature" well that's exactly what were doing everyday in this world one thing affect another one way or another
  • #10
    Z-man you've got a good one going here. I always thought the BT thing was for corn ear worms. BT was a very, very natural biological pesticide in my day. Very effective with no chemicals. I gotta do some stuff and then check out the links. I do know this, a pound of Bt sweet corn( not dent) costs about $50/lb here now. You can't plant much with one pound.
    See ya later.
  • #17
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    @HawkTheSlayer thanks for sharing your personal insight on this. Let me know if you find anything interesting I neglected to mention.
  • #24
    I will tell you this your characterization of BT as a toxin is incorrect.
    It is one of the most safest naturally occurring alternatives to chemical control. It was the first biological pesticide to be used in place of chemical control and it was very effective. Even in my day! Lol! BT exists naturally in nature.
    As an old Ag major , I agree the gene should have never been incorporated into seed breeding. We actually used it as a powder or dust back in the day.
  • #38
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    @HawkTheSlayer yeah, its just a bacteria that produces substances toxic to the insects but not to humans, which isn't clear from what I wrote. I'll clarify that, thanks.

    I have mixed feelings about GMOs and the way companies like Monsanto interact with small-scale farmers, but I'm behind the general pursuit of smarter, more efficient farming technology 100%. Feeding the country is one of those vital topics that doesn't get discussed enough.

    I remember visiting Epcot Center as a kid and seeing these (then really futuristic looking) hydroponic and aeroponic gardens and being so fascinated by it. It didn't make a farmer of me, but I still find agriculture very interesting.
  • #52
    @GregZeman without a doubt , I think most of us are on the page here. Personally, I would like to see more discussion involving farm issues, foreign ownership of American farmland , subsidies, the sad plight of USDA's ineffectiveness today and in the 80's to stop tracheal and varroa mites from devastating the honeybee industry by allowing hives to be shipped across the Mexican border when the usda knew what the outcome would be. You can't have an economy without bees. Ask the economists in california how almond and fruit pollination contracts went from $35/hive to $145/hive and what that effect has on the economy.
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  • #8
    Everybody wants more freedom to do whatever they want, which is fine, except when it interferes with my family's future survival. Then it becomes a WAR between our survival and your freedom to do what you will. Criminal charges should be brought against both the farmers who do not comply and the government officials who have turned their backs.
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