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  • #40
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    Absolutely agreed. I get weary hearing of idiotic braindead zombified people in positions of authority.....who think they are somehow our masters.....

    It's time to end the insanity.....

    Enough.....zero tolerance for people like this.....
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    @Knightkore You also read that the recommend expulsion? The school should not only formally apologize privately and publicly but give her an award and find some help for the student that she helped.....

    And I want to commend her.....remember this.....do what is right even IF those around you.....including those in power want to persecute in the worst ways.....THAT is the kind principles and values schools, parents and all of us should be teaching and living out for our children.....these are sorely lacking.....

    {One can find examples of that in the Bible as well, like Daniel for instance.....}
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    We get stories like this on a daily basis now. WTF is wrong with school administrators? Use common sense!
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    They are getting too much heat from district administrators, school boards, lawyers, media types, and many others. Thay can no longer think just they have to be PC according to which way the wind blows. That is why so many experienced teachers and administrators are getting out.
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    I KNOW zero tolerance has gone too far. It's the perfect example of how government loses it's humanity, and becomes populated by mindless robots endlessly adhering to, and repeating, what they've been told. No thinking or common sense enters into the process.

    The first generation of mindless robots indoctrinated by our public schools have become the first generation of mindless robots RUNNING our public schools.

    Parents in that school district should demand immediate firings of school administrators.
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    And public school educators and staff whine about the proliferation of private schools now. This is a perfect example why so many, and this is just one on a list of about 100, parents chose private school or home school.
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    It's teaching our kids to look the other way! This is insane...and what's worse is so many millenials are so full of inner pain, many are resorting to cutting themselves. Heartbreaking.
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    Self mutilation isn't necessarily a new phenomenon, but it does seem to be more prevalent these days I agree, either that or it just isn't sweep under the rug as much and with information technology we just hear more about it maybe, it's a condition (caused by many factors) that affects many people of all walks of life, mostly in the teen years...I have personal experience with this in my family and it is a complex, frustrating, heart breaking and hard to fix mental condition, it's the only way they feel good in a sea of misery, so that's understandable they have this addiction of cutting or burning or whatever, finding the underlining problems and fixing them is the hard part, otherwise it will carry over into adulthood...here is a vid and article if interested-

    http://vimeo.com/4166113
    http://www.oiec.state.tx.us/documents/mhfasel...
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    @hankf68
    I sympathize with your family members who may be afflicted (one of my sons started it as a teen, but got some help...)
    I think cutters do not wish to be miserable, they cut to "feel" something, anything, and to "punish themselves" for the negative self-image they assign themselves, usually because they think they aren't normal and should be "feeling" things they don't. Just my take; I'm not a clinician.
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    @Unfit2serve ...my ex-wife (who was sexually and physically abused as a child) told me and her therapist it actually felt good physically and mentally when she did it when in a low state of depression, I tried everything to help her, including removing anything from the house she could easily cut herself with, but to no avail, however, years later, and after much therapy, she has dealt with her past and learned to live with it and hasn't done that in years she says...it's a terrible state to be in and I wouldn't wish it upon my worst enemy :(
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    @hankf68 @Unfit2serve My niece was also cutting herself and she had to spend some time in a local mental health hospital because it was getting out of control. It was severe depression. She's not doing any longer, but doesn't socialize with anyone. She's 24, still lives at home, and basically stays in her room all the time. It's sad. She's a smart kid, but depression can destroy the best of us.
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    Just what did she do to merit the suspension? Is the school saying she stole the razor blade from the boy? Did the school want her to tell them the boy was cutting so they could take the blade from him? And would they have taken the blade from him, or would they have been afraid of repercussions from his parents if they suspended him? Lots of unanswered questions.
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    You hit the nail on the head. Schools want things like this and bullying and anything g else to be reported to a teacher so they can get around to it when ever they feel like it. They don't want kids to learn or know how to react in different situations. There needs to be more kids like this girl.
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    @Avaholic90 While we are talking about cleaning the morons out of the federal government this November, we all need to be taking a good hard look around on a local level too, at the people we are electing to our local and state school boards. We have the power to rid ourselves of these fools if we just do a little homework before we vote. We are the people who have put these mindless bureaucrats in office.
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    @Avaholic90 You are right. We definitely need for our kids (Our world's future!) to be able to think and make decisions and take action as needed, on their own. Otherwise, they really aren't growing UP at all. All these teachers and administrators who try to shove these kids into some little box should be fired...and it should have to be a part of their employment record what they were fired for. Maybe we could get back to the business of helping our kids become mature, responsible adults with a brain of their own.
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    @Avaholic90 - Actually, they need more students to keep to themselves, mind their own business, and let others do what they want to themselves. Hypothetically speaking, what I do to MY body is not your business nor say.
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    @SpottedGirl even if its selfharm and mutilation? You want kids to ignore their friends when their friend might not now how to ask for help. We don't need thinking like that.
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    This is the SAME school that suspended 2 boys for 'having guns at school' when they were seen using air soft guns to shot a target AT HOME, because it was on a school day and in sight of a bus stop. Not AT the bus stop, but hundreds of feet away on private property at one boys HOME.
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    Are we already being taken over by an army of mindless machines??? It kinda feels that way to me. The Paranoia comment earlier...I meant I thought the school officials/teachers/staff of our schools are being paranoid. I mean, I'm sorry...this entire situation is beyond ridiculous. The deal with the boys and the gun in their back yard...same deal. So "over-the-top" it's drowning us in a sea of stupid.
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    @DeborahB The notion that they could be suspended for a year, for doing something LEGAL, is absurd. Need I add that they have the full support of the teacher's unions, too?
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    Absolutely! This girl did the correct thing, showed she was a caring individual and then tried to get help for the child who was cutting himself and SHE gets punished? I would give her a standing ovation! What on earth have public schools come to? It seems perfectly normal adults enter the doors and turn in to automatons who can only react to life by applying the correct number rule. Where has common sense gone?
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    Correct thing? If I had any daughters, I would teach them to mind their own business and not be nosy. It was his body, not hers, and he was not harming her nor her family in the least nor taking anything from her. Why was it that this boy's autonomy bothered her so much? I would wonder about her upbringing.
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    @SpottedGirl It looks to me she is receiving a wonderful upbringing of compassion, love, and concern for a fellow human being.
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    @SpottedGirl - You're kidding, right? Please tell me this is just a joke. If not, let me get this straight, if one of your children saw a kid trying to drink poison, your advice would be to just look the other way? And if this same child saw some parent whip out a club and start to club their own child, you again would have them look away, not their business, not their child, the parent was not going to hurt them after all? Wow - that's all I can say, just wow. But, if one runs into any child of yours acting as you advise, one would definitely wonder and feel very disturbed about their upbringing.
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    @Tralee - I don't joke about such things. What a person does to THEIR OWN BODY is one thing and nobody's business. What a person does to ANY OTHER PERSON who didn't attack them first is everyone's business. I would teach my children well enough to live in their own world and mind their own business like they are supposed to and to only care about their family, chosen friends, and obeying the laws of the land. As long as someone isn't harming you, and it has nothing to do with your studies, your chosen friends, or your family, then it is not your business. If someone has a bossy child, a nosy child, a controlling child, or a bully, then they failed as a parent. Bossy and nosy people are among the most immoral people there are, and it is a shame they cannot be locked up along with violent criminals.

    It is not about looking away, but minding your own business. The more you "care about" (notice others with the goal of controlling them or taking their freedoms) others, the worse person you are. Good people always keep to themselves and care only about their family, chosen friends, and those directly and legitimately in their care. I am glad my parents are gone and out of my way so I can be the sole person to care about me. I don't want ANY friends as an adult who have the capacity to try to "mother" me nor "father" me. If I do wrong or make mistakes, that is MY problem alone and my right and responsibility, and I should have the luxury and privilege to learn things the hard way without "help" or other interference. I want to live alone forever and never have a partner, since such people are nearly always controlling. I would rather have no friends since most friends refuse to be just friends only - they want to boss, control, or parent you, and I find that to be sick.

    What makes this wrong is that she is a mere equal on the same rank with this boy. She is not his boss, police officer, teacher, or parent. If he does wrong, it is ONLY *their* job, not hers as a mere student. If everyone would learn to mind their own business, allow others the privilege and luxury to struggle/suffer alone, and never step out of their place/rank in society, American would be much better off. The girl's parents would do good to raise her to stop trying to pretend others are broken to have an excuse to "fix" them.

    If I was a supervisor, I'd fire ANY employee who tries to correct a fellow employee for insubordination. They are supposed to act as an equal and just like an employee, not a supervisor. If an employee is doing wrong, it is their job to come to me and tell me and let me deal with it.
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    @SpottedGirl I see YOU and only YOU are in charge of everything. Got it, totally disagree and quite honestly do not even come close to understanding your mindset. Strange to say the least.
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    Zero tolerance frequently results in ZERO JUSTICE. It removes the ability to judge the circumstances that exists and produces idiotic results. Consider the case when a kid brings a loaded gun to school and another kid disarms the first. He brings the gun to the principal, is expelled from school, arrested and sent to prison for five years for having a gun in a school.
    Some of what I described would happen. Possibly all.
    I am a participant in some events that have zero tolerance rules. The application is political in that some politically connected are frequent violators and never are cited. Others whose offenses are relatively minor get severely punished as a lesson to everyone.
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    Things like this permanently scar the individualism in children. The result is a society increasingly crippled by professional bureaucracies who cannot fill the gap left behind, no matter how much tax revenue is thrown on it.
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    I am not 100% sure she did the right thing. What the boy was doing was his decision. What about his emotional scars from her action?
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    @SpottedGirl Could it be that this girl may have just saved the life of this troubled boy? She may have provided the jolt he needed in order for him to realize the destruction he was doing to himself, to realize that he is seen as worthy enough by someone that that someone provided him help when he may have felt helpless.
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    @DRM But it was not her place. She was not his parent nor an authority figure nor himself. That should be *his* decision to make and nobody else's. If abortion is a woman's choice, then the length of one's life should be any person's own choice. I believe he is worthy as an individual, so worthy that he should be trusted to know what is best to do to his body. When you dictate what others should do to themselves, you are saying they are worth nothing. She was disrespecting his decision to choose, and disrespecting him by acting like a mother OVER him. She should have acted as an EQUAL and a friend, not a control figure and a boss.

    And the irony is that I see the type of life she is headed for, and she will likely put herself in a situation where nobody can help her. The girls with unhealthy nurturing traits nearly always "fall in love with" an abuser. These girls can hone in on the abusers' brokenness miles a way since their ego depends on "fixing" people that they perceive or even pretend are broken. They never feel complete inside and has to go from conquest to conquest taking people's will from them and fixing them against their will. And the partners never like that, and such "devotion" just gives them a place to center their rage.

    So maybe the school helped save her from seeking out abusive relationships.
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    @SpottedGirl Indeed how dare she care. Just a damn fool Jesus copy cat. If it wasn't for Religion people would no better and have died off long ago.
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    @SpottedGirl Actually you are contridicting yourself. You want authority figures to handle everything. More of a Fascist point of view rater then Aynnie Randy
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    I think the idiots on the school board and school administration should be permanently suspended. More evidence of the death of common sense in this country.
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    Charge them with a premeditated gang murder, since faculty like this all over the US are responsible for killing common sense together as part of a conspiracy.
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    It is not about "being honest," but about being nosy. What another does is not your business as long as it doesn't harm you.
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    @SpottedGirl it is EXACTLY about being honest. The only reason she was suspended was because she told an employee of the school what happened. 12 year olds cutting themselves is not some protected right. It is harmful to their mental wellbeing and no kid should ever feel like their peers are approving of self harm. And no school should punish a child for protecting and looking after another child. The school has already let her come back so they have seen the error of their ways.
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    @bleakoutlook - Again, it was about her being a nosy, controlling, busy body. She should be punished for stepping out of rank as a MERE STUDENT and pretending to be a teacher. The boy is not her property, and she should have absolutely no right to put any limits on his behavior as long as he is not hurting ANOTHER PERSON. That was a teacher's job, and she is JUST a child, not a teacher, not an adult.

    Cutting yourself should be a protected right regardless of age. It is already a universal, unenumerated right. It is HIS body. It is not her body, but his alone, and he has the right to decide the fate of his body. Each person's body is their OWN PROPERTY ALONE.

    Harm is irrelevant. CHOICE is the only important issue here. Every person should have the right to do WHATEVER THEY WANT to THEIR *OWN* body, and for *NO* other person to care (and nobody outside the family if under 18).

    Why do some mothers teach their daughters to be uppity and controlling and act like they own boys and want to emasculate them? I wonder if her mom says, "As a young girl, it is important for you to look for boys and pretend they are broken and in need of fixing, act like a sick parent over them, steal their autonomy, and make them feel like nothing. That's a valid way to build your self esteem and gain mastery over others." Instead, it is the parent's job to discipline out the "need" to pay attention to anyone outside one's immediate circle of friends and family.

    Nobody but me, my family, my chose friends, and my creator have a right to care for me. Any stranger trying to "help" me or tell me what to do with my body will likely face consequences. If someone tries to force ANY help on me that I didn't initiate by asking for, I do my best to get the person fired, arrested, committed, evicted, or whatever. Nobody has a right to care about me but me. When someone is bossy, controlling, or nosy around me, I try to do what I can legally do to punish them for such aggression. Even noticing a stranger is aggression in my eyes.

    The issue is not "honesty," but her doing something wrong and getting punished for it, though not enough. I would like to make such interventions and ALL unwanted help to be felonies.

    Maybe this will stay on her discipline record so future employers will know not to hire this nosy, controlling busy-body. And I hope she gets the help she so desperately needs to overcome her need to be nosy, bossy, and controlling, and to overcome all dysfunctional "nurturing" behaviors.

    If I were raising her, the only thing she would do at school is her studies - nothing else, not trying to fix anyone, pick up dates, or be a busybody. She would know to keep to herself, only notice the teacher and her chosen friends, to stay quiet, keep to herself, and only speak when spoken to.
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    @SpottedGirl Your attitude is coming across to me as careless, self-centered, and cold-hearted. Heaven forbid if you're ever in an accident and bleeding to death, unable to speak, that people step over your dying but savable body who share your philosophy.
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    Zero tolerance is part of the leftist indoctrination process. They want these kids to equate guns and knives to punishment and build a fear of them. The big question to ask is if zero tolerance has made anyone safer?
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    @Tralee
    Not quite the whole story. Drugs, gun controls, gay marriage, basic taxation, minority voting rights, UE insurance, health care........the Right's been pretty "zero tolerance" about anything and all things.
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    @Unfit2serve If you think so, I definitely don't agree, but I gave up trying to talk sense to the left about 3 days ago. So, have at it.:)
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    HELL YES! I have zero tolerance for zero tolerance. ZT is just another mechanism that removes accountability from people paid to exhibit judgement.
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    My only concern would have been the possibility of her being hurt if the person she was taking the razor from was dangerous in some way. But to suspend her for trying to help someone? Stupid.
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    Kid gets suspended for eating a pop tart in the shape of a gun.
    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/06/11/pop-...

    Kids suspended for shooting air-soft guns outside from their OWN home. not even on school property.
    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/09/24/stud...

    Kid suspended for drawing a bomb
    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/10/18/rhet...

    Kid suspended for giving the teacher an unopened beer bottle, that he accidentally brought.
    http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2014/02/26/texas-t...

    And now a kid is suspended for taking a razor from someone who was cutting himself? Yes, this zone tolerance policy has gone to far. It eliminates common sense , and instead of people thinking, they just go"Well if theirs a gun, knife, beer or bomb on it. Than we need to suspend them for it. Who cares if it's just a drawing, who cares if they're trying to protect someone, who cares if they made a mistake and they're turning it in . Rules are rules. "
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    Their zero tolerance for things is beyond unreasonable. Are their brains on auto idiocy? It seems every day we hear about a kid getting suspended or expelled for some outlandish rule. Thanks for ruining their education in the process.
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    What is really getting ridiculous is every time a kid gets disciplined in school, it's a story for the media. What really drives me nuts is I don't know how kids can have any fun in school anymore because if they look at someone wrong, it's called "bullying". We used to tease each other about silly stuff like bad hair days or dye jobs gone bad or someone wore socks that didn't match. Now they call everything "bullying".
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    @Carolo43
    I'm not for legit bullying. However, zero tolerance is getting to a point where these kids won't be able to handle everything! They won't know what to do in the real world when they've been coddled up until that point.
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    @Carolo43 - It is immoral and wrong to tease others for any reason. I am glad it is banned. Teasing another is always the result of bad upbringing. Each person should have the right to adorn their own body as they wish without others commenting adversely since it has nothing to do with them personally.
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    @SpottedGirl .........Teasing is done in fun and bullying is done in meanness. Having a laugh together is certainly not a sign of "bad upbringing" and is not malicious! Some can't seem to tell the difference between having a laugh between friends or being ugly to others. My beautician teases me because I have cowlicks. She goes through this ritual of slapping herself on the head when she sees me and rolls her eyes. And I make a comment back that she wears hooker shoes. We enjoy each others company and enjoy our laughs together. I can't imagine going through life where everyone must be so stiff and proper that one must be fearful of every comment they make to friends. You need not fret about my "upbringing". I come from very good stock and at 70 years old, have also raised 4 adult children who also have many friends that know how to. Please learn the difference of teasing in fun and bullying. There is a huge difference.
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