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  • #25
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    @avlisk No, he is correct is using "their." There is used to specify location, their is used for ownership, and they're is used to mean "they are."

    I find it humorous that people correct other's grammar online while posting "U" instead of you, and things like "meen" instead of "mean." Etc...
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    @bluedevil11 @avlisk , in that case ignore that my statement was directed at him, but I still find it humorous in general. :)
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    @jvincilione3 I can't decide if you made a different account or if this is a different person just using the same name as the one above w/o a 3.
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    The vast majority of college athletes do not go on to fame and fortune at the professional level.

    Colleges turn them out with a diploma they didn't earn or deserve, and no skills.

    To me, that seems unethical.
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    @Ric_Hornsby

    It's not so, a kid in high school is not the equal of a college sports program.

    The kid, or his parents, are not likely to be sufficiently experienced to understand all the implications involved in the scholarship system.
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    @Cincinnatus BS! I have worked in higher education for a number of years now and these kids are repeatedly exposed to the realities of the opportunities that they are privy too. Next you will say that the "rich white kids" who go so deeply in debt in order to get their college education and actually make something of themselves are at fault.

    My wife has worked in the Upward Bound program for a number of years and there are several other similar programs that educating these kids is their entire mission. Inevitably year after year kids come into her program that are legacy kids. The issue I have with legacy kids is that you are not eligible for Upward Bound if your parents have a degree so if these programs were in any way successful there should be NO LEGACY kids.

    These college athletes are simply exploiting a system that is also exploiting them. Seems like value for value to me, even though I see no value what so ever in college sports.
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    @Ric_Hornsby -- It doesn't lie on both sides... at least not to the same degree. It's darn near impossible to fire bad teachers once they get tenure which, unlike at universities is earned merely by lasting a few years.

    It's money for education being dumped into bureaucracies at all three levels of government as well as teachers union contracts that are the reason it's impossible to fire bad teachers. On top of that... because of the union contract, the adequate, good, and great teachers have no incentive other than their own desire to teach... no incentive to be any better than the bad teachers.

    Republicans have been championing school choice for a longtime especially charter schools and vouchers so that every parent can choose to send them to a school that isn't more interested in taking care of the adults than it is in educating kids like the basketball player who wrote this essay.
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    Sports scholarships were meant to be a stepping stone to an education.

    Students that hang all their hopes on making it into Professional Sports en lieu of getting an education are idiots.

    Paying uneducated students to play sports for a college and forgetting about their education seems to me to be just another hand-out for those who refuse to apply themselves.
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    Is it really a handout? The athlete may be earning the school millions... look at some of the head coaches for college athletics, 4 million a year for John Calipari basketball coach University of Kentucky, 5.5 million a year for Nick Saban Alabama football coach... their players are busting their tails making a small elite bucket loads of cash in exchange for room, board and tuition.

    It's not the athletes who are receiving a handout.
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    Don't forget that the taxpayers fund most of the Universities and Colleges who push the athletes thru and grant worthless diplomas.
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    Here is an idea - hold them to the admission averages of the school. At North Carolina the averages are a 3.7 GPA and a 25 ACT. An athletic scholarship requires a 2.3 GPA and 18 ACT.

    In my opinion, those students cheating their way to eligibility is payment enough. If they had to actually go to class, they would be kicked out of school.
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    We could do that, but that's evading the real problem. These kids graduated high school with a third grade reading level.
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    @Tralee

    I have very strong opinions about the payment of college athletes. I played college ball - I did it for the pride of playing, not the publicity. Nobody forces an athlete to play and while I agree that there should be tighter rules regarding scholarships (1 year vs 4 years), health care, transfer rules, and redshirt/injury impact rules, no player should be compensated directly. A free education with room and board is the equivalent of almost 50,000 a year.
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    @Bobolinsky

    I'm in favor of a tiered education system. Educate them equally through elementary school and then test into the appropriate schools for the future of the child. By high school, kids who are better off in trades could be in school to learn those trades, get them on a path to success instead of brainwashing everyone into believing that a traditional college education is the only way to succeed.
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    @falco_alba -- That's still avoiding addressing the problem. Tracking helps the ones at the top by enabling them to learn at an accelerated pace. It also helps the ones at the bottom... at least the ones who have real learning disabilities and not just under-performing because lousy schools failed to provide a quality education. They both get extra funding and resources and the best teachers are utilized with them.

    It's the ones in the middle who suffer most from failing schools. I encourage you to watch the movie I linked to in my comment.

    As to the actual problem I alluded to twice already, the real problem is failing public schools. I have little doubt that the student who wrote this "essay" went to public school that could be a poster child for schools that fail to provide even a basic education.

    The solution to students who write essays like that isn;t doing anyone any good. If we did what you suggest, this kid wouldn't be able to play college ball which is probably his only chance of escaping where he came from. First the community he grew up in and the schools who were supposed to prepare him for college and/or life failed him and then the one thing he can do... play basketball... ceases to be a way out. So he stays where he came from and the cycle starts over again.
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    I have worked in IT roles in higher education for many years and can confirm that this attitude has prevailed at each of the Universities I have been acquainted with.

    In fact I have an interesting story regarding this. While I was working at Texas Tech University I was on a team that was working on the upgrade of their LCMS system.(this is the online classroom system) We made a proposal for an upgrade to the Blackboard system that was literally at end of life (EOL)and would no longer be usable within 6 months. Our proposal would cost 250k to upgrade the system to what was at the time state of the art. Our proposal was denied and the very next day in the local paper was an announcement that the University had made a commitment to expand the football stadium for 250m. Five months later when the Assistant VP of IT was put on the spot in a campus-wide meeting the decision was made to upgrade the LCMS system. They ended up paying 500k for a system that was only 1 step more modern than the current EOL system and still significantly behind the state of the art.

    Thank God I am now at a community college where education is more important than sports!
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    They are given a great education opportunity. Both the college and the student are failing here. The student for not taking college seriously and the college for not providing a real education. They should be required to stay until their education is done and they receive their degree.
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    "The trouble in the NCAA - though nobody really knows how far and wide such "Potemkin" style education reaches..."

    They don't know because they really, really don't want to know.
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    I know of two college basketball players who when attending a well known university were told by a coach "you can't study engineering here - it takes too much time studying. If you want to play ball here you take sociology."
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    The fascinating part about this story is that someone was passed all the way to the end of high school and graduated, even though that person could not read at all. Imagine all the many books they never read and the homework they never did.
    Our Education Establishment actually seems to prefer teaching methods that don't work, namely, Whole Word, sight-words, etc. The goal seems to be to keep everybody mediocre, and semi-literacy is a great way to do it.

    Here is a short piece that will explain the Reading Wars to you: "The Most Obvious Conspiracy in the History of the World." (On American Thinker.) Just Google it.
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    Interesting. Thanks for the article.

    While taking a test as a senior in a high school AP English course (college level with college credit), one student jumped out of his desk and ran through into the hall. It startled all of us. We learned a short time later that this student athlete couldn't read.

    Ironically, this student never failed a course in English while attending junior high or high school -- and was enrolled in AP English as a senior! In fact, he was a star on the basketball team and was already recruited by a major university.

    I couldn't understand how a student could go through twelve years of public education without knowing how to read even at a first grade level. Something is wrong when things like this happen.

    I had a friend during college who was "passed" through grade school without learning even basic multiplication and division. He was able to get into college but couldn't pass basic College Algebra after multiple attempts. While "tutoring" him, I learned that he was still using his fingers for simply multiplication.

    I explained that he could never learn algebra if he doesn't know fractions. I explained that he could never learn fractions if he never doesn't understand division. I explained that he could never learn division if he doesn't understand basic multiplication. After a year of tutoring, he was able to learn enough of his basic math to finally pass College Algebra.

    While I am not a fan of "common core" standards, I do think something needs to be done to identify students who slipping between the cracks of institutional public school education.
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    @ccchhhrrriiiss Common Core standards would not help someone like that unless you went as far back as 3rd grade. We applaud creativity and we rank low globally on STEM.
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    They're given a free ride and free room and board and they want to be paid because they're stupid? That's on them, not the schools. A lot of very intelligent athletes have come out of a free ride of college because they took their education just as serious as the sport their playing.
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    I am a former college coach and present high school coach and this sickens me to no end! College sports, like most professional sports today, will end up becoming a pariah in our society and I am not sure but that it will be a deserved reputation. Money, money, money!! Big damn deal - we are supposed to be giving athletic scholarships so that these so called "student-athletes" receive an education in return for their outstanding playing ability on the field and courts. Instead, now they want to unionize, of all things, AND be paid some kind of salary! Pick up any newspaper today and you will find reports of these "student-athletes" getting into countless scrapes with the justice system and their BIG TIME coaches (a misnomer in some cases I feel) supporting them and forgiving their drug usage and sale, beating up others and/or their female friends/girlfriends, stealing and robbing, getting DUIs, the list is endless! I say continue to give them classes, books, room/board, and tutoring but make them sign another pledge that if indeed they commit any felonious or in any way are directly implicated in a law breaking incident, they forfeit their scholarship and are expelled from the college and cannot receive any other NCAA scholarship at any other institution. I am quite sure some smart aleck coach will get on here and tell me to get over it (while he is sitting on his duff raking in his multi thousands or million dollar deal including his shoe endorsements and camp income, etc.) The fact of the matter is, pure and simple, these "student-athletes" are already receiving something most other students are not - A FREE EDUCATION! No more money, SIGN THE PLEDGE, STRAIGHTEN YOUR ACTS UP, and be satisfied. If not, say goodbye to the NCAA and ALL COLLEGE SPORTS! Once again - SICKENING!!!!!
  • #177
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    Well drivesmenutz, you are my kind of guy. I couldn't have said it better my self.
    How would you like to be elected POTUS??????????
  • #59
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    I thought sports were an elective, that education came first. Why don't we set rules that require that athletes maintain an acceptable grade level, verified by someone other than the coach, before they're allowed on the field?

    Oh, you say we're already doing that? Well maybe we should ENFORCE those rules and principles. What we have will work if the corruption is removed. Why not try that approach rather than inventing yet another system to be manipulated. Why are US citizens so focused on treating symptoms rather than fixing the base problem.

    This reminds me of all of the commercials from pharmaceutical companies who've invented another drug to treat one symptom or another, usually introducing myriad other symptoms, without addressing the core malady. There's an endless well of money in treating symptoms rather than the one-time charge offered by a cure.
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    "The trouble in the NCAA - though nobody really knows how far and wide such "Potemkin" style education reaches - has led some to claim that college athletes should be paid a salary "

    And how will that work?

    Does a football player get paid more than a basketball player?
    Does the QB get paid more than an OL?
    Does a starter get paid more than a bench warmer?
    Do the athletes of Alabama get paid more than those at Bowling Green?
    And to really screw it up more, do an equal number of women get paid in light of the fact that the vast majority of NCAA revenues come only from Mens Football and Basketball?
  • #168
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    College players should be able to meet enrollment requirements , just like the regular students. A average athletic scholarship is worth at the minimum 125-150k , many cost more. If you read and write on a 8th grade level. then you do not deserve a scholarship, period. Also coaches should be paid a average wage in the range of what professors/instructors make.
  • #70
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    We are bored with those typical predictable sad sorry stupid stories about unemployed former jocks who are unable to make a living from their former sports glories, as if they were lied to, tricked or misled or bled, while getting those cheerleaders and sorority sisters into beds instead of studying serious subjects instead of taking dumbass classes. They can enjoy it and their female fans as long as they can, until it ends, hoping that they have smarter more successful generous friends. Boofuckinhoo, it is up to you to do what you do.
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    "There seat" as possessive proves some athletes don't have a great future after sports. How are students allowed to leave HS without an education? This has to change. I'm for unions but believe they are part of the problem in education. Teachers are failing. Too many are afraid of districts and students also. There needs to be a lot of change.
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    Seems to me their "Pay" is their tuition for school. If they get paid then they have to pay tuition and it will just be a wash. With the current whining and greedy guts going around with student athletes, my personal take is just do without. Let kids get into college on their own, try out for the team and make it or not. It just might make college sports more interesting and cut down on the entitled baby whining of the "star" athlete chosen and cosseted for 4 years only to whine that they didn't get enough pay. Babies, maybe they need a big dose of "grow up!".
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    The revenues do not go to the college or university. It goes to the athletic department that says that all the monies they earn go to the $1 mil salaries of coaches. Why not just have the local dealership give them cars etc..
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