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    There is something wrong with Americans when they care more about foreign dogs than their own fellow American citizens. But I guess some people can make themselves feel better by doing things like this and not giving to the homeless shelters or volunteering at hospitals and such.
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    Not only that, but what about the amount of American dogs that need homes. Bunch for feel good bs.
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    You beat me to it! Let's bring ALL our men and women home from the Middle East first! And then there's the question of all the dogs and cats that we already have and are too often euthanized in U.S. shelters. Do we really need to import more dogs and guarantee the death of many more such dogs in our own shelters? I don't understand the reasoning- I understand the compassion- but not the reasoning/logic.
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    PNWest is going to be a downer on this otherwise 'feel good' story.

    In the USA roughly 85% of the animals brought into animal shelters are euthanized. These animals, many of whom are healthy and adoptable are put to death in higher numbers than a black guys who kill white women on Texas Death Row under republican governors.

    What they don't tell you in these kinds of stories is that it costs thousands of dollars for each of these dogs to be brought back to America and housed in shelters here and that for every one of these Sochi dogs that finds a home one or probably several very adoptable American stray dogs will probably be put down.

    The main use for these dogs is for publicity. The hope is that people will see the cute dogs and donate to the shelters. I'm not knocking shelters, in fact I've volunteered at several and currently volunteer at one up here. I have the utmost respect for the people who work and volunteer at them. But I find it sad that these animals are saved while the dog that belonged to your neighbor gets put down. If you want to help go down to your local shelter and adopt a pet. Donate to the shelters or volunteer but let them know you aren't doing it because of these types of cheap heart tugging tricks.
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    yep my local shelters cannot save all animals that come in,this huge waste could have helped quite a few local dogs just with the cost of the trip alone.

    want a great buddy go to your local shelter. you can find anything from great cuddle pets to good guards who will be very thankful you came for them.
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    Did you read my comment about how what we think about charity is wrong?

    As I said, Dan Pallotta's TED Talk explains why spending money on good PR can lead to greater exposure for the charity resulting in increased donations in the long run. For-Profit businesses spend copiously on advertising and PR for the same reason and the results of a good advertising campaign demonstrate that it's money well spent.
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    @tomincali you mate may cheat or leave you, your kids and friends desert you, but your pet will stay with you even on to death.
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    @Bobolinsky I watched the TED talk and almost commented last night about it but did not. I think he has some points but is missing wildy on others. First and foremost is that Mr Pallotta neglects to mention that non-profits compete in a capitalist world too. For example for every Humane Society there is an ASPCA and other local animal shelters all taking in and hopefully adopting out lots of animals. Whoever is able to do the best job should do best. They compete (fiercely I might add) with each other and with other charities for donations. Plenty of them have advertised heavily and paid their CEO big bucks. Frankly small donors don't like that at all. They want to see their money go to the charities works - not into advertising and charity management salaries. Just look at how small donors react when stories come out about excessive CEO compensation - invariably the charity loses donations at least from the typical donors.

    You will have noticed that so far I have specifically talked only about small donors. That's because large donors are handled differently. Where small donors donate because they care about the underlying cause, large donors often care more about getting their names out there as philanthropists. To them they don't care how the money is spend as long as they get their name in the paper as big donors to charity. That's why you'll see charities sponsor big formal events with local celebrities several times a year. These events often cost 6 figures to put on and often barely break even.

    If a charity takes in $200,000 for an even that that cost $150,000 to put on do you look at it as $50,000 that goes to a good cause or $200,000 of contributions of which on 1/4 made it to the cause. That's the real question. Would those folks have donated the $200,000 if they didn't get the publicity (and tax write off)? In many instances no.

    I don't want to volunteer for a charity that operates the way Dan Pallotta describes and frankly not many people want to volunteer for places like that. Why should I come in and do grunt work so that some CEO can make $400K and spend a good portion of the donations on advertising using my FREELY GIVEN good works as the basis for the advertising. I'm not volunteering in a place like this. I want to work somewhere where people are doing - not talking about it. And that should come from the CEO on downward.
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    @PNWest -- Both Dan and I understand why you and most of us think that way. It's counter-intuitive.

    If a charity can take $100 and turn that into $1000 through investment and advertising, and then only spend %30 of that $1000 on the cause?...
    That $100 that you donated is now doing $300 worth of work for the cause you care about. The point that he's trying to make is that when you look down the lists of charities and see that they're only spending 30% of their money on their cause, it doesn't reflect that they've actually done more good than if they simply spent 100% of the original $100.

    Now I'm pulling numbers out of a hat but that's what Pallotta is saying and he gives a real world example from his own experience to demonstrate it. Did you pay attention during that part or did you do what so many of us do... Did your eyes glaze over as you tuned out as soon as he starts talking about how the economics of it works? Not blaming you if you did... I can do it too sometimes when people start talking facts and figures.

    About CEO's. His point is that in order for a charity to do that they have to be able to compete with for-profit companies for the people who can get that done.

    Again... It's counter-intuitive, but that doesn't make it not so.
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    I'd love to live somewhere where I can have a couple dogs as well as another cat to keep my Missy company when I'm not home, but as a renter I have trouble finding a place where I can have an adult, de-clawed (I got her that way), spayed kitty.

    I've linked to a few videos from Hope for Paws on here. If you're thinking of donating to an organization that helps strays, you may want to consider them as well. Their videos are good for a good happy cry as well if you like that kind of thing.:-)

    http://www.hopeforpaws.org/
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    @Denizen_Kate -- I like that... Little Missy Hissy Fit. My Missy was my mom's before she died and Missy inherited me.
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    Sorry but we have many dogs here already that need homes. I would adopt one of ours first. I believe in taking care of your own first.
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    now these folks are even in sourcing our dogs at the pound and on the streets.

    giving away American jobs so someone from another country can live better and now they do the same with import dogs so some American dog can do without.
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    Really. With an overpopulation of mutts already in animal shelters, so many we need to put down a couple million per year, it's not like we have a great shortage. WTF are we importing more, to embarrass the Russians? Unlikely that Vlad gives a cold turd what we think of him or his country anyway.
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    the gov does the same thing with people, we have a jobs shortage so inorder to make things worst they even import pound puppies.

    we have some twisted folks who look for all sorts of ways to go against anything American.
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    @Denizen_Kate Because it IS political. The world is full of stray dogs, so why choose to rescue a bunch specifically from Russia, and why now?
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    @RoyFloyd - I'm assuming because these strays became an international news item in the weeks leading up to the Olympics, and there was a lot of public notice.
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    Ok I'm an animal lover, but I really think we can make better use of our time and resources here before worrying about dogs from Russia.
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    I have heard people say that a dog saved is a dog saved no matter where it comes from but, Any dog that is rescued from abroad, purchased from a back yard breeder,pet shop or puppy mill is a death sentence for our already over populated dogs in shelters across America
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    with all the strays and dogs already in shelters now this twisted gov is importing strays?

    i guess they are not happy with just flooding the country with un needed peoples to make matters worst for citizens now they do the same things to dogs in the pound.

    sorry American stray your next to be put down imports are more important so you have to give your life so they live.

    we have so many here that is in support for all things other than American.
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    I've heard bad things about the Humane Society International and the Humane Society of the United States. I've heard that very little of the the money donated goes to helping animals. The advice I've always heard is that if you want to donate to the Humane Society it's better to donate to directly to your local Humane Society.

    My thoughts on that might be changing though. I watched this TED Talk about charity and it changed my mind.

    The way we think about charity is dead wrong
    http://www.ted.com/talks/dan_pallotta_the_way...

    It turns out that just looking at the percentage of donations that go directly towards the charity's cause and basing your decision on which charities are devoting the most money directly to that cause, doesn't necessarily mean that your donation dollars are being used to their maximum potential.

    It's counter-intuitive but Dan Pallotta does a good job of explaining why it's so.
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    Even after you become a 'Guardian'( I was one) and donate money MONTHLY to them, they STILL KEEP HOUNDING YOU (no pun intended) on the phone for more contributions, and WASTING MONEY sending you junk mail WEEKLY to try to get you to contribute more.

    Here in New Mexico, many out-of-state students who come here to go to college, adopt or buy animals, only to either turn them lose or give them up to shelters when they get their degrees. It's a big problem!

    I like to donate to LOCAL, NO-KILL shelters. Here in New Mexico there's PACA, Watermelon Mountain Ranch, Albuquerque Cat Action Team, Animal Network Efforts by Women, Companion Animal Rescue and Assistance, Animal Village, Cat Care Network of Colorado and New Mexico, Homeless Animal Rescue Team, Gentle Souls Sanctuary, Desert Haven Animal Refuge, Safe Haven Animal Sanctuary, Kitty City, Puppy Dog Ranch Rescue and Sanctuary.
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    @GedankPol -- It's stuff like you describe that caused me to say that I might be changing my mind on HSUS. I hate it when charities hound me and is a primary reason why I stop donating and get mean on the phone when they call me.

    I like what the Blood Bank does. They call me when it's time to donate again to remind me, but when I got my last tattoo and wasn't allowed to donate, it didn't matter how forcefully I told them that I wasn't allowed... They continued to call me on an almost weekly basis. I forgave them because donating blood outweighs the frustration they caused me.

    I'll also add that getting on a list for donating to political campaigns has resulted in me being hounded by single-social-issue groups asking for donations.

    When I asked them what their positions were on economic issues. They told me they had none. So I told them when they have some positions on economics issues like the Social Right has incessantly tried to get the Tea Party to do with regards to social issues, they can contact me again and we'll see. That usually did the trick of getting me crossed off the list for that particular single-social-issue group. But not all the others who the candidate sold my information to. I have to deal with them one-at-a-time.

    That's another reason why I'm tired of the Social Right. They engage in the same kind of crap that the Left does.

    http://politix.topix.com/stmt/VIFED4R5LT5PPKL...

    Sorry I turned this into a critique of the Social Right like I did on the link, but your post got me to thinking of it in those terms and I really wish they's start acting more like conservatives and less like progressives. They're alienating more people than just me.
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    Why save dogs when you can save children's lives by giving to St. Jude Children's Research Hospital? What's more important? A child or a dog?
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    @BelinKS -- Because I like dogs. ;-) I see your point but I think there's enough to go around to help save children and still throw a few bucks at an animal shelter. Maybe go with one less Starbucks since Hope for Paws asks for $5 donations.

    For the record, I think that charities like Make-a-Wish are more for the donor sense of.... whatever... and less about the children who get a wish. I would much rather people donate to charities like St. Judes.
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    I'm a huge animal lover and I hate to see any animal suffering, which is why I can't understand the reasoning behind bringing more homeless animals into our own country. Each day thousands and thousands of animals are destroyed here because there are no homes for them. Are people simply adopting these Sochi dogs for the prestige? They can walk around saying "I have a dog from Sochi" while at their local animal shelter hundreds of dogs are being killed?

    I don't get it.
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    Makes you wonder how the people of Sochi can be so cruel, the people of Chjna do barbaric etc. when you look at the poor sweet babies
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    @Linebacker66 the Chinese are savages they torture the dogs then cook then alive. I can't imagine how people can be so cruel
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    @Arumizy Chinese people cannot think or do for themselves, which certainly must contribute to their lack of compassion overall. With all those suppressed people, it's surprising there isn't more disgusting things they do in order to provide meals for their families. I'm not excusing it mind you. Different culture . . .
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    To old to handle the needs of a dog especially in CT during the winter months. I had dogs growing up but not after I left home and joined the army at 19. After that it was always to much time spent working and not enough time at home. It would be cruel to leave a dog locked up for 12 hours a day or more by itself.
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    @PayThatCEO I agree in many ways, but not if the process is cruel or harmful to the animal. Also not if the sharing is harmful to the family. My wife and I are both allergic to cats. All of our children have them. One has three, another has three, the 'good one' only has two. We pay the price whenever we visit. So no cats in our house.
    As far as dogs go I would love to have a dog. But, it would have to have been left alone for very long periods of time. When I was a kid this was not a problem. The dog was let out, waited for his friend from across the street, then they both went off together for most of the day. Today dogs have to be on leashes. I am not interested in being either a warden or a cruel master.
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    @fraps I agree with you and I respect your responsible outlook to pet ownership. Many people get a pet and then lock it up or leave it in the yard and it ends up living a very lonely life.
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    @PayThatCEO Kills me to dogs tied up outside. Dogs are not lawn ornaments! They are pack animals, who need to be with their family or else they become stressed and more dangerous at the end of a chain. Too often those dogs don't have shelter or access to fresh water, which in any kind of weather is abuse. it's one thing to have an outside dog, working a farm or property, but those are dogs with a job. A tied up dog can't do his/her job and offers no protection. Often it's a bully breed and having it is more about bragging rights ... Whole 'nother story there.
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