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  • #21
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    Walmart didn't realize anything except that they are being attacked again by a union-backed activist group. They pay market rate wages for entry level jobs that require little or no work experience or technical skills.
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    They do, but they know how to tweak the system so their employees are eligible for food stamps and Medicaid. Why should I subsidize a billion dollar company?
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    You aren't subsidizing a company, you are supporting unskilled workers who would qualify for the subsidies if they worked in fast food, or any other minimum wage job. Walmart just has the liberal media on their case because they refuse to cave in to the unions.
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    @UncleSi
    You are so right. The people in those photos don't even work for Walmart, they are PAID protesters! Google: Labor Relations Board OKs unions paying protesters at Walmart.
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    The same people bashing Wal mart would;t say a peep if all these folks didn't have a job and lived off the gov't.

    Sorry SEIU. We know the game
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    @methinks A better question might be why do we allow government to subsidize billion dollar companies? You know, we all bitch about prices going up if we pay a better wage. Well maybe if we paid enough to keep working people off welfare, we could afford to pay a little more for what we buy providing the government would reduce some taxes on their end.
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    I will never understand the demonizing of a successful business. If you do, start your own damn store and pay employees more.
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    They got successful by not paying crap, using the welfare system as a form of benefits, strong arming towns into building their supercenters, even when the people don't want them (my town is one of them), getting tax breaks on their land, and the list goes on. They made 17 billion in profit last year at the expense of families and the taxpayers. So YES, WE HAVE EVERY RIGHT TO DEMONIZE WALMART.
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    The Walton heirs have as much wealth as the lower 40% of Americans. At the same time, a huge percentage of Wal-mart's employees have to rely on public assistance to survive: Walmart employees are receiving 2.6 BILLION DOLLARS in public assistance!

    Now do you understand?
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    @callingthemout And by getting LOTS of tax breaks in Bill Clinton's Arkansas, along with taking full advantage of JTPA, just like Maybelline, J.B. Hunt Trucking, Murphy Oil, Tyson Foods, TCBY Yogurt, Dillards Department Stores, all Arkansas corporation that EXPLODED in growth during Bill Clinton's terms as governor and later as President.
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    @Jteam Let's not get into bashing the rich guy here. The class warfare crap is BS.

    The issue is how they game the system to force their employees into the state welfare and Medicaid systems...that's what I disagree with.
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    its Walmart these people are stocking shelves its not brain surgery? have you been to Walmart? most of the people are lucky to have jobs.
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    Which misses the point, if you don't keep up with stocking your shelves and a customer walks out with his money still in his pocket to the tune of $3 billion a year in lost in sales. That hits not only your company in the pocket book but also companies down the line who rely on Walmart moving their product.
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    Knocking down people with jobs that are just trying to survive is pretty low. Have you worked at a Walmart supercenter? Imagine having 5 hours and one other person to stalk 12 aisles. Imagine working in the deli and 3 people short and getting yelled at because they won't replace the meat cutter but its somehow your fault there were 10 call ins and you have to share the cutter with another department. Working there is no picnic.
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    @JimCO55 well it is a rather antidotal account, my brother worked for Wal-Mart for years and would complain every night that he was doing work while others where just standing around doing crap. He switched to a new store and it was the same way.

    As in all things you get what you pay for, and that includes Wal Mart paying for its labor.
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    It's strange to me that everyone I know that works at Wallyworld are miserable and (bitching about) their job is always their favorite topic. It must be a real crappy job, or something.
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    @Linebacker66
    I hear the same kinds of things too but like I said, Wal Mart is ruthless and that's no secret to anyone so if you choose to work there then you shouldn't bitch about having signed a pact with the devil.
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    @TheJimmy That's very true. On that note I always tell them that I took jobs I hated until I landed a really good one, I think it works that way for most of us.
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    First of all, yes, this is the taxpayer subsidizing Wal-mart, like many have said.

    But to respond to all the criticism about "no it's not, these people wouldn't have jobs if there was no Wal-mart," I just want to respond with a "that's completely false (for the most part)."

    If there was no Wal-mart, then Wal-mart employees obviously wouldn't work at Wal-mart. But then, neither would we be shopping at Wal-mart; we would be shopping elsewhere. In order to handle the increased customer load, those other stores would have to hire more people--aka most of the employees that work at Wal-mart.

    That's the thing about retail--retail doesn't create jobs. Jobs in retail are solely based on how much money local consumers have available to spend. You're competing against other potential ways the customer has to spend their money (and/or the bank, though most people are neck deep in credit card debt these days so that isn't as applicable anymore). You can only increase your profits at the expense of other retail stores or businesses you're taking business away from.

    So while these employees owe their jobs to Wal-mart, that's more of a literal thing than a figurative thing. If Wal-mart did not exist, someone else out there would need more workers, in order to get product into the hands of consumers.
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    It was the taxpayers who funded the education system led by the unions and government that created these workers whose skills aren't worth $10/hour. How exactly is it Wamart's fault that a person can't do much more than stock shelves or make fries?
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    @FLBeaver UNTRUE. I work at Wal-Mart AND have a college degree. I am intelligent, polite, and well spoken. The downturn of the economy forced me to take a job at Wal-Mart. I have been there over 2 years. I receive "exceeds expectations" on all of my personnel reviews. Yet I am paid $9.00/hour and my hours are kept below 34 so that I don't receive "full-time" status or benefits. I challenge YOU or ANYONE here to support not only yourself, but your family on $9/hour (or LESS) and 33 or less hours per week. I do not accept public assistance and the public shouldn't NEED to subsidize me. I should be paid a living wage which is what minimum wage was always intended to be. A minimum LIVING wage.

    I also challenge ANYONE here to work a full shift at Wal Mart while maintaining a pleasant attitude, respect for EVERY customer, speed, efficiency, accuracy, and product knowledge while waiting on customers who treat you like less than a human being because, as so many here have said: They're just "checking groceries or stocking shelves." EVERYDAY I help people find what they need, explain complicated WIC policies, help them to understand how self-check-out works and MUCH, much more! Unskilled??? You are deluded if you think I'm unskilled. Unless YOU can explain to some "uninformed" (stubborn, stupid and nasty) customer why state law prohibits me from selling excessive amount of alcohol to a person under the influence or a to group of young people who have obviously been drinking, when only ONE has legal identification, don't call ME unskilled. THAT is SKILL. Until YOU can gently handle the customer who rings up $300 in food when they only have $30 on their food stamp card and wants the stuff anyhow; who tell me I'M WRONG, they are supposed to have $500 in food stamps and it must be MY fault that they don't ... Don't you DARE call me unskilled. All day (or night) I have the pleasure of waiting are people who are RUDE, NASTY, have no basic manners and may or may not smell horrible. And you call me unskilled?? I do ALL of this and MUCH, MUCH more everyday. And I do it with a SMILE on my face, and a positive attitude.

    99% of you posting negative, "unskilled" comments about Wal Mart employees on here wouldn't last 30 minutes doing what I do.
  • #6
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    The taxpayers should demand that these and all other companies pay a living wage. In other words anyone working full time should not be eligible for government assistance......anything short of that amounts to taxpayers subsidizing the profits of walmart and others......and that is BS,
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    @Nemesis3X Nope....problem not at all solved......I don't shop or work at Walmart yet as a taxpayer I still pay to subsidize their profit by providing services to people working full time.

    And that is BS......we the taxpayers should force them to pay their employees working full time enough to survive without taxpayers assistance. If they cannot do that and still make a profit they do not deserve to be in business.

    how dare they ask me and every other taxpayer to subsidize their profits by providing services to their impoverished employees.....they don't share their profits with me, why should I help pay their employees?
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    @Nemesis3X
    I don't shop there and I don't work there. It does not seem to be working as they are still in business.
  • #244
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    I agree, the main problem is that Wal Mart works EXTREMELY hard to ensure that none of it's hourly employees qualify for "full-time" status; therefore they don't have to provide any benefits. Only salaried managers are considered full time. If it's a super crazy week and an employee is asked to stay late a few nights and it winds up being 40+ hours for the week, that employee will be be "coached" (their term for being formally written up or disciplined) and it will go into their file affecting their future reviews, promotions and raises. All for doing the store a favor and pitching in!! Three "coachings" and you are fired. I wonder if all of these people commenting about how Wal Mart employees are basically idiots are slackers would say if they were aware of THAT fact. Can you imagine getting FIRED for working extra hours to help benefit your company?
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    @tetcats, so basically the employees are caught between a rock and a hard place when asked to stay late? Darned if they do, darned if they don't. That's very stressful.

    And dealing with the public is the pits at times. One must have a very thick skin for that. I've worked several fast food jobs and customers can be very demeaning.
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  • #49
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    Of course they should, how is this even a debate? Of course we all know they wont. If they were going to they already would have, baby needs another country to buy.
  • #163
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    When Mr. Walton first began his Wal-Mart stores, he stocked them with mostly American made products. Quality and customer service were at the top of the list of things that were most important to him and to his company. When he passed away, his children took over and the stores began a rapid slide down hill. For a few years I tried shopping WM exclusively. It was convenient and the prices not too bad. Now I refuse to shop there (only going if I cannot find something elsewhere), both on principle and because I don't save money. I feel for those who must work there, as they're forced to work long, crazy hours and the stores are no longer clean, restrooms are filthy, and lines can reach into the aisles, especially on holidays. The pharmacies are another problem. They often do not have the correct meds and the waiting can be hours to get prescriptions filled. I would never buy clothes or shoes there. The quality....there is none. This past Christmas I ordered an item from the WM website. I couldn't get it anyplace else, and the website guaranteed I'd have it before Christmas. I got a confirmation of the order, then another email saying it had arrived at the store. I called the store to confirm and sure enough, it was in. I went to pick it up, waited almost an hour in the "lay-away" line to get it, then was told it had been canceled because they were out! I'd paid online, so my refund would be returned to my card in 5-7 business days. Almost 2 weeks later, no refund. I called customer service and they informed me that "someone" had re-ordered the item, even though, as I explained to the CS rep that I'd already purchased something else in it's place. I was told to return to the store for a credit. When I did, another hour of wasted time as the employee could find no record of my ever making a purchase. I did have all of my printed confirmations and payment receipts in hand. With me were 2 other customers whose orders had also been "lost". Between the 3 of us, WM owed almost $1500! I got my money, one woman got her order (it mysteriously appeared while she waited) and the 3rd customer was told she would get hers in 3 days. I hate Wal-Mart...
  • #313
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    We live in a "global economy" which means we import a ton of items. All retail companies do. If the greedy unions and EPA hadn't forced jobs overseas maybe just maybe WM could sell more American made items. Obamacare has caused every company to downsize and cut hours. Everyone needs to realize this. Walmart's only "problem" is they won't be forced into joining a union. And I say good for them.
  • #52
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    The answer should be obvious. But they care only for the end result. Treat people better, pay them fairly, and they're more apt to become increasingly PRODUCTIVE.
  • #82
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    I do not think Walmart has a problem with the productivity of their employees. I do not think Walmart has a problem with turnover. That means they are treating people well and are paying them fairly. If they were not the people would have left for other jobs.
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    @fraps
    Fair point. But what do you think the problem is.? I know for a fact just finding another job isn't all that easy. Especially when you have obligations you are attempting to do your best to pay on time. As an EMT, the (privately owned) company I have worked for has gone downhill very quickly and as a result once people WERE able to secure employment, left. Most of us have tried to leave over the last 3 years, as things have gotten worse and worse. Our current supervisor got fired from his last job for serial harssment.
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    @Shamanwolf I agree there are severe problems. But the issue with Walmart has been a union led fight for more than a decade, well before our current problems. Yet they never suffered high turn over. The reason for that can only be the employees that were at the lower pay levels felt they had a good job. They are not the ones complaining. It is outside groups making the noise.
    As to the economic problems in the country right now, they are about to get worse. Much worse.
  • #228
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    @fraps

    This is so sad, it is laughable. Everytime we go in Walmart, there are at least a dozen new people on the checkout lines, being trained. Why? Because they cant hold on to people to whom they refuse to give enoguh hours, and what few hours they allow, are minimum wage. People leave there as quickly as they can.
  • #229
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    @fraps The lower paid employees have been afraid to even talk to, or for union reps. They know that their supervisors are just lookin for a reason to fire them.
  • #78
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    You hit the nail on the head, almost. It depends on what treat employees means. If it means pay, you are 100% right. If it means treating with dignity, consideration, respect, etc. Walmart does a pretty good job there. If they did not they would have high turnover. They do not have a turnover problem.
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    @fraps Paying your employees the barest minimum does not show respect. Many jobs may be low-skill processes, but how long would the store last if they weren't done? Thy don't treat their employees with dignity; their contempt is palpable.

    They don't have a turnover problem because they don't replace people who leave. They put the burden on the remainder of their staff while not increasing pay to compensate.
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    @Thunderchicken It's why they are understaffed. "Turnover" means people who leave are replaced. Their problem is attrition.
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    @cpeter133 Interesting statement with nothing to back it up. How about a link showing employee count average per store declining over the last 5 years. Till then I believe you are just making this up.
    If you had any business experience you would know what you are saying is basically impossible for more than a very short period of time.
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    I try very hard NOT to shop at Wal-Mart. The reason is they lack customer service and they lack customer service because they don't pay their employees. Poorly paid and overworked employees do not do a good job and that reflects on the business.

    My local Wal-Marts are dirty. The parking lots are trashy. No one cleans garbage from the shopping carts. There is no one to help answer questions. The cashiers are indifferent, if not downright rude. I can't blame them. They get overworked and underpaid. When the business model in America turns around and companies realize that employees are an important part of that model, then things might change for the better.
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    “ No business which depends for existence on paying less than living wages to its workers has any right to continue in this country.”
    —President Franklin Delano Roosevelt, 1933
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    Less than $25,000 a year? How much less? That's a little over $12/hr! I know of AC and other contractors offering people as little as $8.
  • #64
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    If you are running a business that can only be profitable by paying slave wages, then you are operating a failed business model, which only exists because Americans allow it to exist.
  • #84
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    @Unfit2serve EIther that or the business model is so good for the owners because the services they provide are in demand and the labor required to accomplish it is very low level. It is not because Americans as a group allow it to exist it is because the community in America find the company worth doing business with.
  • #32
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    The upper management should have realized that when they were found guilty of underpaying women compared to men. How can someone be so business-savvy in some areas and so downright clueless in others?
  • #56
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    I doubt they underpay women more than other employees, and I have a data point as evidence. I did a three-week job for Walmart years ago, and in the profit center I worked in, the VP with the most influence and status was not only a woman but a lesbian.
  • #8
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    I saw enough articles like this in Teamster Magazine. Hey Lisa, maybe you should send it to them and see if they'll publish it!
  • #166
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    Should it? Hell yes. Is it going to? Hell no. As usual crap management is going to destroy another gold mine. Dollar General is nipping at its heels and Costco is thriving(thanks to its employee relations). Another retailer will come along and finish off walmart just as it put paid to Sears / Pennys / Kmart (also self destructing thanks to crap management).
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    "Walmart has been unable to stock its shelves adequately over the past year"

    True. But there's no sense trying to make Wal-mart provide careers. They are temporary jobs.
  • #133
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    Not necessarily temporary. Wal-Mart promotes from within all the time. I was doing some contract work for 3 Wal-Marts in my tri-state area last year and each job lasted a couple months ao I got to know the managers who were our points-of -contact. If I remember right, all of them started on a register or stocking shelves.

    But you're right in that stocking shelves should be thought of as a temporary position before moving up or moving on to another better paying job some where else.

    Another point Ia that this is an example of free-market capitalism doing what it does when competition is able to do its job. Wal-Mart losing business to competitors because their shelves weren't stocked, and their stores were starting to look like a store in Venezuela. In addition I'm sure that understaffing resulted in a drop in quality of service.
  • #135
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    People are taking their business elsewhere where full shelves are more inviting and selection more abundant and better service to boot.

    Wal-Mart thought that just low prices would be enough. They were wrong. Healthy competition not only drives prices down but also incentivizes the profit-seeker to offer more selection and better service.

    Now... Imagine of we freed up competition between health insurance companies by removing the middleman (the employer) and cut back on government micro-managing which creates inflexibility and extra costs.

    The result would be that insurance companies would offer plans to cover whatever the purchaser wants (now the consumer instead of the employer) including collegge students or any one else that the purchaser want to pay to cover. Like car insurers will do now.

    In addition the insurance companies would find ways to cut costs any lower prices while still maintaing a level of service and quality of healthcare that will attract customers away from the competition. That's what the profit-motive does... And it does it better than anything else. The evidence for that is the abundance of goods and services that we buy everyday. That's the laws of Economics working.

    Now compare that to centralized economic planning that they are trying to make work in Venezuela.

    Venezuela rolls out new plan to keep shelves stocked
    http://www.sacbee.com/2014/03/31/6284021/vene...
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    @Bobolinsky

    Ever been to Venezuela? I have, and believe me, the Venezuela come to America, to Walmart, and shop about once a year.
  • #247
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    You are so VERY misinformed. Most of the people at MY store have been there for 3+ years. I just passed the 2 year mark myself. But there are VERY few positions considered full-time (only salaried managers). They hire 2 or 3 part-time people instead of 1 full time person to avoid paying a living wage or benefits. I enjoy my job immensely as well as my customers and co-workers. I am college educated, professional and work VERY hard, as do most (not all) of the people I work with. This economy forced me to take a job at Wal Mart, but I'm glad I did because everything about it is great; EXCEPT for the fact that I make FAR BELOW a living wage. My store manager has no control over that. He would hire MANY of us full time and pay us much more if he was permitted to do so. I must add that my store is extremely special and better than any Wal Mart you've ever been to (It's a Neighborhood Market, not a "Superstore"). But that doesn't negate the fact that the Wal Marts of today are years away from what Sam Walton intended them to be.
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