• #11
    Newsflash! Prohibition of something people are willing to pay for doesn't eliminate the commodity. The price rises until someone is willing to assume the risk of supplying it. See 18th and 21st Amendments to the Constitution.
  • #3
    Just keep adolescent developing minds away from the drug until they are finished maturing into adult minds. That is my only worry about legalization, and I say this as a former balls-to-the-wall hourly/daily/weekly addicted pothead from age 15 to age 32. Emotional and mental development STOPS cold the moment you start using daily (any drug or alcohol) and it does not resume until you stop cold......and flush all the chemicals out of your body. I think it should be legalized....but for the sake of kids 12 - whatever you can to keep them away from using this drug or any device until they have evolved into adulthood.
  • #5
    They are doing a pretty sorry job of that as it is. I know many folks under 20 who regularly smoke weed.

    It's a shame because of the impact it will have on their memory.
  • #16
    @BobSmith It has no impact on memory, but the reason kids under 20 can get it is because it isn't regulated and easier to get than alcohol.
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  • #140
    @sevenSecrets - The first election in which I was finally old enough to vote was Nov. 1972, and here in CA we had a marijuana decriminalization measure on the state ballot. It failed, but we never gave up. :)
  • #151
    Only an idiot thinks this is a good idea. How about crack and heroine next. Marijuana is more cancerous and potent than nicotine. If any of you drug dudes diswgre, then start smoking 4 packs of marijuana a day, you know 40 full joints. Geez, no wonder they Cal it mass manipulation.
  • #158
    @Just_True "Only an idiot thinks this is a good idea."
    Ok sure let's give this proper consideration

    "How about crack and heroine next."
    Actually yes, prohibition doesn't work on those either. For example the DEA are spending billions to fight meth labs, but all they're really doing is make the stuff a little more expensive and a lot less pure (and thus dangerous).

    "Marijuana is more cancerous"
    Nope. There have actually been numerous studies that have shown quite the opposite, namely marijuana use slowing tumor growth in patients with certain types of cancer.

    "and potent than nicotine."
    This just doesn't make any sense. Cannabinoids have totally different biochemical effects than nicotine, so saying one is more potent than the other is useless.

    "If any of you drug dudes diswgre, then start smoking 4 packs of marijuana a day, you know 40 full joints. Geez, no wonder they Cal it mass manipulation."
    I know several guys who smoke a two-figure amount of joints every day, and have been doing so for years, and they're all pretty much fine. For example every heavy cig smoker I know has a really bad chronic cough. None of that for the potheads.

    So, there ya go. All of your arguments refuted in one handy comment. Now go ahead, misinterpret my words, insult me, call me a druggie. But know that if you ever bothered to look any of this stuff up, it would turn out that I'm right. Of course you won't do that, since everything you say and think is just true.
  • #161
    @Axim I do not have to call you anything, if you do drugs you are by definition a druggee. Prohibition on rape, murder, theft and pedophilia have not worked for over 10,000 years, so do you support legalizing them. In fact, usually 2 or 3 joints is shared by the hole party. The studies you fail to cite are bogus. The potncy of marijuana highs should give you a clue. Now, my friend, cocaine, it also have a medical purpose and so does heroine. The fact is most people can get a marijuana medical substitute without the smoking high. The fact is you like the high. If you think the nonsense flies, peep this, I have had friends who dealt with drug lords and also grew pot and they will tell you the same. Also, alcohol and nicotine are also adictive, so your argument is to leglize more destruction. I am 56 and I do not know anyone who is still alive who smoked in the 70s and is still smoking.

    Dang, and you thought you made a point. Also, prescription drugs are prescribed by doctors for a reason and they do not set up shop on Venice Beach.
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  • #25
    @RedFloppyShoes A lot of the bans on E-cigs are getting pushed by the tobacco companies. They realize e-cigs are doing everything better than nicorette, who they also tried to shove out way back.
  • #30
    Who's "they?" Many conservatives and all libertarians are for marijuana legalization and maybe a tiny fraction of the former but none of the latter want to ban cigarettes or e-cigs. Some nanny state types, mostly left, are the ones wanting to ban cigarettes and e-cigs. It won't happen. It makes too much money. It's the reason tobacco is still legal and it will be the reason pot won't be made illegal again once made legal.
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  • #112
    "There are 100,000 total marijuana smokers in the US, and most are Negroes, Hispanics, Filipinos and entertainers. Their Satanic music, jazz and swing, result from marijuana usage. This marijuana causes white women to seek sexual relations with Negroes, entertainers and any others."

    Harry Anslinger

    Do you really think your government is more honest today?
  • #133
    Old Harry was a total scumbag. He milked racism nationally, and he lied before congress several times in order to gull them into passing the original anti-pot laws. All so he wouldn't have to get a real job after the end of prohibition. (And of course to keep the wood pulp business nice and healthy.)
  • #42
    This from the thread I linked to. I think I make a salient point. Thought I'd paste it here.

    @Knightkore -- What is your definition of "limited government?" I'm certain that it doesn't match mine or the people who use it as shorthand for opposing Crony Capitalism and the kind of activist government that both Progressives and the Social Right want. The only difference between the two is which "Morality" they want to impose on America

    Progressives want to impose a collectivist "Morality." The Social Right wants to impose a Biblical "Morality."

    And your debate tactics are identical. Deception. "Morality" and "Progress" are examples of how each is just fine with people ascribing their own meaning to those words. They're just fine with it because if the Progressives and the Social Right made their definitions clear people would reject the definition and stop listening.

    It's no different than Obama did with "Hope" and "Change."
  • #43
    Hey, I'm for pot is safer than what the corporate controlled FDA and big pharma foist upon us through current government BOTH Republicans and Democrats......which INCLUDES progressive liberals.....
  • #51
    @Knightkore -- I just used the article about the dam breaking on public opinion about pot to compare it to how the dam is breaking on gay marriage.... The dam that was constructed by the Social Right whether the "Moral" people like it or not.

    Pot legalization is not an important issue to me. Civil Rights are. I believe that DOMA and any state laws that prohibit gay marriage are a violation of Section 1 of the 14th Amendment.

    Section 1. All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside. No State shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States; nor shall any State deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws.

    What's your opinion on gay marriage? Should it be legal?
  • #68
    @Bobolinsky I think pot legalization is a big deal, if the republicans backed it they would get a lot more of the young votes. Even more if they did gay marriage too but I can't imagine them going for both, not anytime soon at least. Young people love money, and they love freedom(and pot). If republicans were to back both of these things the democrats wouldn't have much to use against republicans because most people, even the young, do view republicans as more fiscally responsible than democrats.

    I personally do not like to use weed, tried it in high school but never had a pleasant experience with it, it made me paranoid and I just wanted to sober up. But I do view freedom as something very important, hence my chosen name on this site.
  • #79
    @Bobolinsky Yup. I take a lot of heat on this one from certain people.....but under the Constitution {I'd say even the First Amendment} that they have the freedom to follow their conscience.....{on that note.....those who follow God have the right to voice and express that there is salvation from that life.....though there should not be laws made against either side for practicing what they believe.....}
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  • #29
    I'll write the year 2019 down next to word, stoned and see where we're at then. Al Gore predicted the polar arctic ice could be gone by 2013 and there's over 4 million square miles of ice left.
  • #141
    That seems to be working in Colorado. Growers are making a profit, sellers are making a profit, and the state has made tens of millions in tax revenue.
  • #159
    @Denizen_Kate You know who's also making a profit? The black market. Even though pot is legal in Colorado, selling it illegally is still profitable, thanks to the legal dispensaries pricing it so moronically high.
  • #169
    @Axim - It's a transitional phase, eh? Personally, I wouldn't know where to find the black market for marijuana anymore. Once upon a time ...:)
  • #23
    I made this prediction not that long ago on other pot-related pieces here. This time though the changes are being made the right way, by legislatures writing bills and Governors signing them.
    The problems about teens getting some are technically correct. But they get access to pot now when it is illegal.
    My philosophy as a parent resulted in very few restrictions on my kids. My only concern was their safety. When they wanted to do something that was unusual we managed to find ways to allow it.
    One example was when my younger daughter wanted to go into NYC by herself while we were living in NJ. It started with the standard 'all my friends are going". It ended with her going by herself.
    The rules were a specific destination. Phone calls from a couple of points on the way. This worked. We continued this approach until my wife and I was confident she could go anywhere and be OK. This took about 5 or 6 separate trips before she was given free reign.
    Of more concern to me today would be kids drinking. I know that many do. Mine did, but only at home and only when we were having wine with dinner. Neither kid ever had problems with alcohol. What we do today I think is a ludicrous failure.
    Kids do things they are forbidden to do. This behavior starts no later than when they are two!
    Not forbidding things has two effects. First they fear that if they do something really bad they will face the same restrictions as their friends. Second they fear that if they don't do the things they are supposed to do the same response will occur.(We never even hinted at anything like that. If anything we told her the opposite. She never violated.)
  • #87
    For many kids, scoring a lid if they don't have a regular supplier means traveling to a known high crime area with lots of cash. They are easy marks and will be lucky if all that happens to them is getting robbed or cheated. Having legal pot stores for folks over 18 will make it much safer for the buyer, and will make public parks safer since the dope dealers won't be able to make a living any more selling Mexican pot.
  • #4
    The public support is due to the 50-yr status quo buildup of making the general public (taxpayers) more responsible for our own personal, private and family non-values. It's unsustainable. Indeed, it's the root cause if our $17 trillion debt and the reason citizens are increasingly tuned out of the governing process. Their disillusionment needs an ointment -- getting stoned-- because the media has failed to inform our republic during that same 50-yr period, and counting.
  • #149
    Every American should have the right to do whatever he/she wants, as long as it doesn't hurt anyone else. With that said, reasonable restrictions on marijuana use would help ensure safety in the general population. I have always disliked weed, but though it's not for me, other people might benefit from it's use. Most of my buddies that smoked a lot of weed are still doing that however, and not much more except blogging in their basements about weed. That's fine by me, any weed smoker who's ambition in life is satisfied by smoking weed just leaves a door open for someone else to take advantage of opportunities. The one problem with legalization of anything is: Drug smugglers, cartels, gangbangers, drug dealers, etc aren't just going to give up their high incomes and become schoolteachers just because it's legal and their product won't be needed. They will switch to another illegal activity, perhaps even more violent, to keep making big money (example: human trafficking, organized violent theft, sex trafficking, etc). That is the one issue why I believe the US government will always outlaw most drugs. Some black markets are actually good for society, no matter how evil and bottom-dwelling they seem. My economics professor explained that better than I ever could, but the entire class never even thought of that before and agreed with him. But even so, any US citizen should be allowed to pursue whatever makes them happy as long as no one else gets hurt.
  • #162
    Have you never heard that anything that is illegal is automatically very interesting to teens? Legalizing it will make it lose a lot of "coolness" in youth culture, and underage use will go down significantly. Don't believe me? Go look at studies done in the Netherlands after legalization, they all conclusively show I'm right.
  • #113
    Regardless of opinion nationally, its not going to be legal everywhere within 5 years. I am sure more states will follow suit within the next few years but its going to be a lot longer than 5 years to get them all if ever.
  • #105
    Legalization would be a good thing actually.Think about what it being illegal has done to this country.The best thing about legalization is that it would drive the drug cartels away at least partially as this is the main product they sell.Make it the same as cigarettes and you must be a certain age to have it or buy it.The price would most likely drop also.
    The government would be able to tax it and make revenue off of it along with the states taxing it.This would be much like the taxes on cigarettes.Think about the tax they want go impose on ECIGS due to the loss of revenue.Some states such as Washington State have proposed not a $.75 tax,but a 75% tax on ECIGS.Think about who is the driving force behind this due to loss of sales.Yes legalization would be good all around!!
  • #91
    What the government needs to do is jump ahead of the wagon here and just start regulating pot.

    Ban the sale of pot to children under 18. That's something I'm fairly certain the public will support. Air public service announcements to encourage people to "please smoke responsibly." Make it illegal to smoke pot within 100 yards of a school, and certain public spaces, in order to minimize the effects of second-hand smoke.

    The argument for a long time has been that smoking pot is no more dangerous than drinking alcohol or smoking cigarettes, so it's time we start treating pot like alcohol and tobacco--by regulating its sale and use.
  • #61
    Legalize it and tax it like tobacco and alcohol. Make it a felony w/5 year mandatory sentence for home cultivation, distribution or possession of untaxed product.
  • #66
    @Libertyiskey ... I'm fine with it. I'm fine with legal pot. But it's a felony to grow untaxed tobacco and to distill untaxed liquor. So why shouldn't the same apply to pot?
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  • #57
    Young people are already doing things like opening air conditioners to stiff the coolant so I hope legal pot will be enough.
  • #163
    Well, that's just natural selection. The stupid will always find ways to prevent themselves from ever reproducing, and I don't think it's much to worry about.
  • #168
    @Axim LOL the stupid seem to be outproducing the rest of us or maybe it's just a stupid world. Maybe someday when pot is legal in the US , Mexico will be sending in troops to burn our pot fields.
  • #50
    Probably so since this seems to be the only real job left in America that pays well.

    Of course our government is already involved in trafficking drugs and allows banks to launder money for drug cartels .... I guess it's only a matter of time huh?

    You can really tell how far a country has sunk when they become dependent on selling drugs as a source of income .... it's really pathetic!
  • #117
    I have had similar thoughts for years.....our government is the largest drug dealer in the entire world, an enabler of all Afghan heroin, South American cartels, our lunatic drug laws are responsible for all of the smuggling, and Federal Agencies are up to their hairline in all aspects.
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