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    @drpeeper It didn't work.....the investigations prove that.....zero dark thirty was fiction not fact.
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    @NolanVoyd Those like yourself would rather trust the enemy that they would tell the truth by just asking and then believe their response?No real surprise.Its not like anyone died from the practice so whats the harm?Ask American prisoners of war if they had a choice of starvation,removal of finger nails,racking,torture by fire which would they prefer I'll bet a water boarding would be their choice if they had had one?
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    @miketost all the evidence shows waterboarding and other forms of torture do not work......we executed Japanese soldiers for waterboarding.....the hypocrisy is astounding.......High up people in the Bush admin should be doing time for such crimes and for making the United States of America look that bad.

    Dick Cheney should die in prison.

    How un-American do these people have to get before you all will pull your heads out and see that they hurt America far more then they helped it.
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    Even if Obama did agree to a ldt, Congress wouldn't pass it. That how obstructionism work right? If Obama wants it, then its bad. He would probably have use a executive order just to attach the ldt sensor to his arm.
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    Angus King should be placed in the hills of Afghanistan, without backup and introduced to the Taliban. Can't wait to hear his story then.
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    With Bush and Cheney at his side? I think those two SHOULD face justice, there or Iraq. What has King done against them?
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    Our method of water-boarding is much different than the method the Japanese used during WW11. IF, it was torture in the true sense of the word, they would've never allowed it to be used on volunteers, such as members of our military and members of the press, including Christopher Hitchings. Is there any volunteers out there to experience REAL torture to have their fingernails removed with a pair of pliers, or have their genitalia hooked up to a hand-cranked generator? Didn't think so! You candy-ass thumb-suckers, get a life....
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    There's no reason to single Cheney out, but how about waterboarding *all* elected federal officials? Other than Nancy Pelosi melting, there should be no permanent harm done.
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    Why is everyone's panties in a bunch over waterboarding? As far as I know no one hacked off anyone's extremities. Besides when a country finds itself at war it needs to fight to win. War is hell so playing to stalemate or losing at war is makes it all the worse.
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    I think everyone would agree with winning at any cost........but torture was and has always been a useless, unreliable tool to win with.........which has now been confirmed.
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    I agree that war is sometimes necessary, but torture is not. Wars can be fought with honor and respect for the enemy, and that's how they should be fought by a nation that prides itself as being a "beacon on a hill."
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    The reports of american POW's in korea and Japan are legendary, and created untold enmity. And now you want us to be just like them? Utter BS.
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    Surround the bum with a mob and waterboard him for a few hours. Then see if he still believes it's not torture.
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    I really fail to see the 'moral outrage' in water-boarding when our own people, from the time of Richard Welch, to present days, have been mercilessly REALLY tortured, mutilated, decapitated and had their naked bodies dragged through the streets. And who can forget Leon Klinghoffer, 69 and in a wheelchair, pushed off a cruise ship in 1985 by one of these 'Lions of Islam'. Screw them. In my opinion, we should be just as ferocious and ruthless with them as they are against women, little girls, old men in wheelchairs and anyone else they brand an infidel. And to utter that statement, I'm displaying an Avatar of one Galician family who fought in the Crusades against Islam's first Jihad, which started in 711 A.D. "Muerte al Moro Asesino!".
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    It is a tossup as to whom has killed more human beings to further their extremist Religious views, Christians or Muslims. Torture produces nothing but satisfaction and pleasure for sadists.
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    " In my opinion, we should be just as ferocious and ruthless with them as they are"

    If we become them, then what's the point?
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    @Unfit2Serve @Cincinnatus I was approached once in the Army about becoming an interrogator due to my knowledge of several languages and 'knack' for picking them up. I politely declined. I wouldn't be able to inflict pain on an animal, much less a human being. But I see the value of sometimes doing something like water-boarding because it doesn't really cause damage. It does create 'PANIC', and stimulates 'fear of drowning' unlike our enemies which take joy not only in inflicting pain, but in preserving it for posterity in videos in order to cause even more pain among the families, friends, colleagues of those being tortured and ultimately executed. NEVER FORGET that I was THE MUSLIMS who first launched their FIRST JIHAD against the kingdoms of Spain in 711 A.D.(C.E.) and who started the whole war of aggression against all other religions. It was THAT brutal conflict which resulted in extremism on the side of Christianity, and even resulted in the expulsion of Jews from Spain on August 3, 1492 (unless they converted to Christianity) because they had 'collaborated' with the Muslim invader/occupier. To this day, Muslims still lay claim to the bottom 2/3rds of Spain they occupied between 711 A.D.- 1483 A.D.(C.E.) to which they refer as 'al-Andalus'.
    And don't fool yourself as to 'Christian persecutions'- during the early stages of Rome, it was often Christians of the Paulist sect (the ones that Constantine 'anointed' as the official religion) who persecuted OTHER Christians for 'divergent beliefs', such as the Gnostics, the Arians, Copts, etc.(from Arius- not the Nazi connotation of 'Aryan') The only detailed history of a European country I've studied is Spain's, for obvious reasons. I can tell you that the so-called 'Spanish Inquisition' was the MILDEST of them all. Spain was the last country which undertook 'the Inquisition' pushed on every Christian Kingdom by the Vatican. The 'Spanish Inquisition' was not run by Monks or Priests, but by Lawyers who insisted on absolute proof of heresy- that's why not a single woman was executed in Spain as a witch, whereas, during a short period in what is now France, Germany, Northern Europe, 150,000 hapless women were executed for the sole crime in those countries of being just too darned beautiful, too blond, too red-haired. The Spanish Inquisition was ABSOLUTELY ANAL about keeping records. Its victims numbered 5,500 from beginning to end. Closer examination reveals that 1/3 of the victims were 'Relaxados en Estatua'(executed in effigy as the accused had left the country); 1/3 of the victims were 'Relaxados en sus huesos'(executed in their remains- charges were brought against people AFTER they had already passed away from natural causes and their bones were dug up after trial and 'burned' like those two yahoos do in the show 'Supernatural'); and the remaining unfortunate 1/3 were first given the opportunity to 'repent' of their heresy-usually being secret Muslims or Jews while pretending to have converted to Catholicism- by parading up and down city streets wearing a 'San Benito'(a costume that looks like something the KKK wears and still observed during religious processions on Holy Week in Spain) and carrying a sign declaring their particular act of heresy for a prescribed period of time. Those that refused were sadly put to the pyre. An excellent resource which has been excised from the air-waves by the powers that be was the documentary "The Myth of the Spanish Inquisition", by BBC/A&E, made in Britain in the mid 1990s.
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    Um, no. You're pissed off -- and rightly so -- at the vicious acts of extremists. I'm fine with that; I am, too. And I agree that we should aggressively defend ourselves against those who attempt to do us harm.

    However, I strongly disagree that returning like for like is the appropriate response. If you are outraged at the behaviour of Muslim extremists, then how can you morally defend doing the same thing yourself? IMHO, this is how to handle it: when you capture a militant, they go to court. If there is sufficient evidence that they have committed the atrocities that have you up in arms, then convict them. If they are convicted, put a bullet in their head. No torture, no stooping to their level. You simply eliminate the danger and move on.
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    The moral outrage is that our people get a taste.- prisoners are kept under longer. Sometimes until the must be resuscitated, and are subjected to boarding day after day for as long as it takes for them to tell their torturer what he wants to hear - whether it's the truth, or not.
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    Cheney will never agree - he KNOWS it's torture! Go for a swim, see how long you can hold your breath. Now imagine someone's holding you down, even after you have to breath out!
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    CHeney is a coward and a Chicken hawk........he has never seen an opportunity for war he didn't like but when it was his turn to put his life on the line he had "other plans at the time".
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    The Senator from Maine should be water boarded so he will know what is talking about. Just another professional political looking for all the goodies Senators get. He is 70 years old and should be retired. Personally I am sick of these self seekers.
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    Is this part of your Junior High School writing project - you should do and let us know.
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    Yeah, "domestic engineer" equals housekeeper. "Enhanced interrogation" equals torture.
    If it actually saved American lives, I'd endorse it. But information obtained under extreme duress is unreliable. And it is likely to lead to American P.O.W.s being tortured, killed and more terrorist attacks on American and ally targets.
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    Jihadists have been torturing Americans, and others, long before water-boarding was a gleam in Dick Cheney's eyes. They've even engaged in such acts of courage as pushing wheel-chair bound 69 year old Leon Klinghoffer off a cruise ship in 1985, to drown on the high seas. Yes, Islam. Religion of peace and compassion. One only need examine MURALS that are thousands of years old to see how torture/infliction of pain on others has been glorified through the ages in the Middle East. Water-boarding is like making someone stand in a corner facing the wall compared to what so-called human beings have been doing to each other since our earliest recorded history.
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    Sen. Angus needs to let it go. Dick Cheney no longer has any power, people don't want his endorsement and he has no pull left in the world of politics. He's and old, balding, angry man with a weak heart. He started one of the most pointless and most expensive wars in history and now he's just trying to vindicate himself. Most of America knows he was an ass, there's no need to make him look like an ass again.
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    I thought Cheney picked up a good second-hand heart a couple of years back. Has his venom and miserableness ruined that one too?
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    @RoyFloyd ...I wonder if the donors family knew who the heart was going to, If I would have known I would have withdrawn my donation.
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  • #354
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    The day after I posted this My computer stopped working. I came down with viral respiratory failure and worse.
    Quite a coincidence would't you say.
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    Here it is in a nutshell.....I was brought up to believe that "we" were the "Good Guys". And the "good guys" don't stoop to anyone's level, especially using torture. If you need a reason as to why America is now looked down upon, look no further. You can't justify it under ANY circumstances. EVER. We're better than that.....at least we used to be, before Cheney and his ilk were put in charge.
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    Doctors May Not Be Able to Tell When Dick Cheney Actually Dies



    Jerry
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    Joe
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    04/07/2014

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    Baltimore, Maryland -- Researchers at The Johns Hopkins School of Medicine announced today that former Vice President Dick Cheney is so morally decayed it may be impossible to discern when his few remaining human components cease functioning. According to the findings, nearly every sign of putrefaction from massive bacterial gas to liquefied internal organs exist to such an extent within his public statements and actions that virtually nothing remains to quantify him as hominid.

    Cheney, 73, has been kept alive on a combination of extreme personal cowardice and consequence-free bloodlust.
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