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  • #25
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    Children in Massachusetts are not forced to say the Pledge of Allegiance. Atheists have been griping about this for decades and have yet to produce evidence of one child who was forced to say it. I attended public schools in Massachusetts and remember plenty of students who didn't say it and suffered no pressure whatsoever.

    References to "God" and "Creator" are everywhere in our founding documents and even on our money. The simple use of the word "God" does not constitute some sort of religious compulsion. If you don't believe there is a God, then the use of the word is simply meaningless and shouldn't bother you at all. But even if it does - the Constitution was designed to keep the government from imposing a particular faith on the people. It wasn't designed to expunge all references to religion from our public instituitons.
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    I'm against forcing kids to say the pledge every single day, but I digress. "Under God" was added in the pledge in the 50's; it was never on there to begin with, it being a byproduct of the Red Scare. It shouldn't be in the pledge, but if people want to include it, it's up to them.
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    does it really have any effect on them? well, they might start thinking that their might be a God who created us; for surely we didnt come from pond scum; and that scares the evolutionist real bad; they might loose their grants, have to change their doctrines, and yes, would have to lower themselves to the same level as the next person.
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    I think kids should say the pledge everyday! So many parents these days don't instill a sense of pride for their country in their kids. It teaches children loyalty and tradition something this country is rapidly losing!
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    Ridiculous. We were founded as a Christian country, based on Christian beliefs, morals, and principles. We can believe in tolerance without forsaking our national identity. Perhaps we aspired to live the pledge we recite, "One nation under God" then we could truly be "indivisible."
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    Actually, this country was based on the freedom of religion. The freedom to believe as you see fit to any version of God or gods or lack thereof that you see fit. By including "One nation under God" panders to one specific religious group and not the multicultural society that is America. Therefore it is unconstitutional under the first ammendment and government should not require it in the pledge of allegence and it should be ommited.
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    You would be better advised to read some history for yourself, instead of making half-baked assertions about the founding of this country.
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    The founding fathers were rather poor frosts then. At least some of then. Washington kneeled in prayer before his battles. Franklin had the Constitutional Congress pause in prayer for guidance during at least one of their writiing sessions. Jefferson cited Psalm 148 as the best description of God and spent his later years deciphering the divinity of Jesus, trying to discover fact from myth. Why bother with any of these if you believe that God set everything up and then just walked away never to intervene again. Deism was a rather fresh concept at the time and appealed to the age of reason that they were living in while trying to form a new nation. Yes, they believed in separation of govt. And religion but this is a minimal infraction at best. By the way, look how closely so many of the Amendments mirror biblical tenets. Yes, the country certainly suffers for saying the pledge of Allegiance.
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  • #32
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    This is the crap atheists are pulling that pisses me off. And I'm an atheist.
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    Quit yer friggin' whining. Christmas decorations and war memorials? That's oppression?
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    Having to tolerate people around you saying "under God" when no one notices or cares if you do? That's discrimination?
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    These busy bodies behind all these lawsuits are nothing but victim wannabes. Nothing but attention-seeking crybabies a la Sandra Fluke.
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    I say to these people... Grow up, grow a pair, and mind your own business.
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    i don't particularly object to it, but even as a christian pastor i can't see the reason for having it in there. it was originally placed there to keep the communists out of the country. the reasoning was that all communists are atheists, and being as such they aren't capable of saying the word 'god' without their tongues cleaving to the roof of their mouths. well, guess what... it didn't work. do i think that a huge scandal should be made of it? no, i don't. do i think that it belongs there? not really. do i think that it makes any difference if it stays? not really.

    i think that someone just needs a tub of laundry to hand wash because if this is all they've got to worry about then they obviously need something to do.
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    Kids only know what they are taught. If there really was a god, they would be born with the knowledge spiritually linked in their mind, Right? reality is, we have to find ways to slide our religious beliefs into their little brains so they can fear the brainwashing world like everyone else. It makes alot of difference to the children who are sponging the world for knowledge and direction and then get... FEAR... thrown in their face. Why do you think we threaten them with death,fire,fear,suffering and eternal damnation if they don't believe? Because if we didn't, they might try and think on their own ; ) can't have children thinking on their own, that means they wouldn't do as we say!
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    the bible does say that a child can walk outside and see the complexity of life and say there must be a God; because no child in their right mind would think a 75 trillion cell human being could have originated by chance from scum water in the vacuum of space. you really have to indoctrinated that ideology into their heads to get them to believe that.

    I have never heard anyone threaten a child with hell fire, except from the atheist and evolutionist. What is really taught is that all children go to heaven if they die before the age of accountability.

    When children do think on their own, they end up with a national socialist state like German nazi who denied they did any wrong in the holocaust because they had not violated any of their man made laws. After all, if there is no God, anybody's morality is just as good as the next murderers morality.
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    No, the Pledge of Allegiance should keep the words "under God".
    The only thing that keeps this country together is peoples belief in God. Throw God out and our blessings go with Him.
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    I would submit that religious beliefs, and the sanctimony that results in your assertion, are the biggest threat to this country. Religion should be kept strictly separate from government. The laws that uphold civil behavior are based on wisdom that is not dependent on any particular God.
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    If others don't like it let them skip it. Nobody's forcing them to say it. Does it burn there eardrums to hear it?

    "UNDER GOD" should be kept.

    I fear of what the world would be without God.
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    Yes, the Treaty of Tripoli Aritcle even states " As the Government of the United States of America is not, in any sense, founded on the Christian religion." which was submitted to the Senate by President John Adams
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    Maybe not on the "Christian religion" but the US was definitely founded on the morality, ethics and law of Western civilization.(As opposed to Hindu morality, or Buddhist ethics, or Muslim law.
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    Whether you judge it good, bad, right, or wrong, denial of Christian influence on our Founding doesn't make it not so.
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    You actually think that something like this is tearing this country apart? Seriously? There are so many worse things than that that are actually tearing this country apart.
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    H F my point is that it just goes on and on, under god, the pledge,gay marriage. What are they keeping us from really finding out?
  • #38
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    The Associated Press has been around for a long time. Since 1865. They helped get Hitler elected back in prewar German and they are at it again in this country. They win no matter who wins because money is their God and money they make. Until they become fair and balanced news organization they will always be referred to as the beast. in my opinion.
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    Absolutely not, if we continue as a nation to strip away our identity because it'll hurt someone's feelings then we might as well tell the terrorist not to bother we'll strap on the c4 to ourselves... the can watch this way they don't get hurt. It's all PC.
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    When I was younger, before I found God, I was strongly an atheist. I never had a problem with the Pledge. I would say it and simply not say the part about God. I don't see why kids who aren't religious simply can't over look it.
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    The difference is, you are a reasonable person and your goal wasn't to attract a ton of attention to yourself by being a pain in the ass.
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    Women's right to vote wasn't in the original Constitution either. Perhaps it should be removed.

    Separation of church and state doesn't mean eliminating any references to God from public life. It means two things: 1) Not having any particular religion that is endorsed, funded or promoted by the government; and 2) Not having government control over any religious group.
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    OK so they don't have to say it, but children still hear it. But the problem here is much more uncomfortable than most would like to acknowledge. The problem is that children are impressionable, and childhood is formative. And that in this country, many Christians are so idiotic as to think that large areas of modern science are a lie. The uncomfortable fact is that Christians who bring up their children to think that modern science is a lie are guilty of psychological abuse of their own children.
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    Only a bit. My point is that Christianity in the United States is so intellectually backwards that we have a duty to isolate children from it, similar to the way in which we isolate them from pornographic images. So that means no mentions of "God" in group activities at school.
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    The Pledge of Allegiance was written by a Christian Socialist. Just so you know. And the Knights of Columbus lobbied to have "One nation, under god" added during the height of tensions between the United States and the Soviet Union, in the early 1950's. Prior to World War II, the right hand was extended outward, in the exact same fashion as the Nazi salute. After that is when it became customary to place the hand on the heart. As far as America being a "christian nation." Yeah... No. We are as much a christian nation as standing in the garage makes you a car. It's just complete BS. Regardless of what any modern, uneducated "christian" would like to tell you. We are NOT a christian nation. We are a secular nation, not ruled by the laws of god but, ruled by the laws of man. Period. End of story.
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    I'm an educated atheist, not a "modern, uneducated 'christian'". And you're wrong.
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    Whether you judge it good, bad, right, or wrong Christianity has had a profound influence on the morality, ethics, and law of European and by extension the Founders.
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    Denial of it doesn't make it not so. While I am fully aware of all the separation of church and state arguments, the problem here seems to be that you don't.
  • #14
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    No reason to change it.

    Those who do not wish to say the pledge are free to keep silent while it is being said.
  • #98
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    If the heathens have a problem, they're free to just not say it, they don't have to force their opinions on us. Forcing students to not say under God violates their constitutional right to freedom of religion.
  • #96
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    no! since it is in all but one, states constitution. which means it is, automaticly ratified as law. with the comonwealth of virginia, being the only state to give credit to jesus christ as their savior.
  • #95
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    ABSOUTLY NOT!! If others do not like it, let them make their own pledge.
    Leave our Pledge of Allegiance alone!!!
  • #94
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    This is irrelevant.
    If kids were forced to say "under God" or forced to say the pledge at all (which was ruled unconstitutional around WWII) then that would be a problem.
    I personally don't care if they include it either way, both sides of this debate are wasting energy on a distraction from the real issues facing this country.
    One, it's not like if they don't have "under God" in there that the government is somehow endorsing atheism.
    And two, considering no one is ever forced to say it it really doesn't impose any religious beliefs on anybody. In fact you could take "God" as a poetic metaphor. How many atheists use the phrase "Oh my God". Considering it's a "pledge", a ceremonial piece of artwork it's not to be taken literally. It's not a scientific thesis.
    Much ado about nothing.
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