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  • #242
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    Considering it came from ThinkProgress..... that's when the article loses merit. It also says "too little to be eligible for the federal subsidies to buy a plan on Obamacare's private exchanges."

    So Obamacare can be blamed too then eh?

    Nice try.
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    @drpeeper articles lose merit when they are on a politically bias site? Then most of the links you submit can be written off?

    Its all bullshit politics either way.
  • #350
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    @bleakoutlook No, just ThinkProgress, which is basically a wing of the democrat progressives...... they want you to get your emotions worked up and blame the evil (fill in political party here).

    Some are educated enough not to buy into it.
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  • #118
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    This woman died because she had a heart condition that led to heart failure.

    There is a lot left out of this story, like what happened. Did she just keel over or did she experience symptoms first? Was 911 called? Did she ignore the signs? Did she seek any treatment whatsoever beforehand?
  • #231
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    "Dill, who was uninsured and had a heart condition and other health problems died on a customer's floor while trying to sell vacuums on commission. "

    Seeing that she died on a customers floor while trying to sell them something would lead me to believe that it was unexpected... And personally, if someone killed over in my house while trying to sell me something I would call 911 (and also be more careful in what I wish for in the future...)
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    Are we all going to do the next 8 months watching a war of "examples" pro/con ObamaCare?
    I'm not being unsympathetic, but many, many folks have been dying through a lack of mediacl care for decades..........and I'm sure someone can finds folks who will die as a RESULT of their ObamaCare treatment, diagnosis, or change of doctor. Not everything in life is an action/reaction, black and white event. We can't live our lives, making important decisions solely based on ideological soundbites.
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    I'm sticking to "wait and see." Such a sweeping federal program is not going to be without some "birthing pains." It's working quite well for me so far, but I've heard the opposite from others.
  • #267
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    @Denizen_Kate well at least you are fair about it. my company provided plan premium went up 41% for me from last year so that it could comply with the ACA.
    and the coverage is actually either the same or not as good , depending on the item, for the things that I need.
    I would have went with the federal exchange except that it was far higher in price for the lowest bronze plan.( 59% higher in cost that my current employer provided plan and even less coverage )
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    @Denizen_Kate Yea I have heard that California's state exchange has went over pretty well. I know some people have done pretty good with some state plans. The federal plans though, unless you qualify for a subsidy, are really expensive.
  • #134
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    My son found out the same thing here in Georgia. He doesn't earn enough to qualify for Obamacare, and there is no expansion of Medicaid. So, he remains uninsured. Thanks for nothing, Governor Deal.
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    I bet if there was no such thing as Obamacare your son would have been covered. Put blame where blame is due. The GOP governors are following the law as interpreted by the Supreme Court.
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    @DontBlameMe2 That is a pre-existing condition as is part of the republican anti American plan to kill off the poor Americans.NO coverage,,,The only reason she is dead is because Republicans care about their own wealth & Not About Americans.THAT is Why Bush started the Iraq war.He lied to fund Halliburton putting US Servicemen & women at risk & killing 4000+.
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  • #121
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    Reading these posts it's like something a 2 year old would say if you tried to explain Newton's law of Gravity to them and then asked them to tell you why the apple hit the man on the head.

    "The apple was mean!"
    "No it was because of gravity."
    "No, gravity didn't hit him, the apple did....mean old apple."

    I can't believe how many people are still swearing up and down that the ACA failed, and not the states that denied the expansion of Medicaid.....it's truly astounding, but also quiet telling of the intelligence of most posters.
  • #177
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    That's how willful ignorance works. They don't understand that it was the state government refusing to expand Medicaid that caused this woman to remain uninsured, because they don't WANT to understand it.
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    Okay, first @stepped_in_it beat me to the main comment. Taking the subsidy is a loss leader, but second and the seemingly more imperative question is WHY again couldn't she get insurance. I don't have the handy dandy ACA calculator in front of me, but I remember doing the analysis for a family of 3 making $29,000. Cost?$9600/yr. Cost after subsidies?$1200/yr. What's the problem here?
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    @Firestorm
    "She made about $11,000 a year, too much money to qualify for a public Medicaid plan but too little to be eligible for the federal subsidies to buy a plan on Obamacare's private exchanges."

    Am I missing something?
  • #55
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    @Food4thoughts too little to be eligible for the federal subsidies

    THAT IS WHAT THE LAW WAS DESIGNED TO DO.....COVER THOSE WHO HAD TOO LITTLE.....IT HAS FAILED.....
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    @Knightkore
    I thought the law was to be instituted in conjunction with expanding medicaid, if were not implementing how the law was designed to work...how would the law do what it was designed to do?

    Help me out here... Explain to me how this is the laws fault and not an example of an undermining attempt to sabotage the law.
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  • #208
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    Politics has consequences, but politicians seem to have a talent for overlooking that fact.

    When your ideology kills people, you need to rethink your ideology.
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    Lisa, we all agree that this is a terrible and sad story. I think you do have a great need to blame
    republicans. Did Obama Care help her, is the courts decision at fault. Would she have been better off prior to Obama. I don't know any of these things and I don't think you do either.
    A little girl is alive today thanks to a lung transplant, which was earlier denied by Sibelius.
    So things seem to be a little confusing with the whole health care mess.
  • #391
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    That was the excuse, doctors on the case stated that adult lungs were a match and would work for the girl.
    Kathleen who just quit, as everyone else in this dictatorship , could have overruled the so called policy but chose to ignore the pleas of the girls representatives.
  • #29
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    First and foremost, my sympathies go out to this woman, her children and her family.

    The biggest thing that bothers me about this "article" is what kind of health insurance did she have prior to Obamacare?

    If she makes too much for Medicaid, but makes too little to qualify for federal subsidies for to buy a plan...whose fault is this...wasn't the point of the ACA to make ALL healthcare available to the citizens of this nation?

    This is what happens when you shove a poorly written and executed law down the throats of the United States citizens...maybe if some of them had read it first, this would be a non-issue.
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    Okay...I see she had no healthcare prior to the ACA...so, the condition was documented and she was aware of it...so, neither the governor nor the ACA is not to blame for this death...it is an unfortunate state of affairs which took this woman too early in life.
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    Please, the fact is that Florida turned down billions of dollars that would have helped people like Charlene, because of politics. This is shameful and disgusting. Even if you dislike ACA, to disregard lives to make a hollow point which is actually no point is just as bad as it gets. The GOP ought be ashamed. They want ACA to fail and that is just so UnAmerican whether you agree with the plan or not.
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    @Myopinion69

    This was a condition which pre-dated the ACA...I don't want it to fail...I believe it will fail...there are a number of items within the law which are good for the general public...the thing I find unbelievable is the fact $11K excludes from either...
  • #120
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    THat is the governor's fault for not expanding medicaid as was made available to the state!

    Conservatives are so cowardly!
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  • #27
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    she should have claimed more cash income. Then she would have qualified for obamacare, and may still have been able to keep medicaid for the kids, or if not, Florida Kidcare which would only be 15 a month per kid. Having said that, the neo-confederate s.o.b's who control both houses of the Florida legislature and refused the Medicaid expansion funds because, and I quote, "we don't trust the federal guvmint" should burn in hell.
  • #119
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    They turned it down because it was billions in spending and would have required additional state spending as well.
  • #297
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    @Yank
    No one seems to get that point. The states that turned it down did so because they didn't think they would be able to pay for it. Someone has to pay for the coverage, either the state or the federal government. This article is putting all the blame on the state and none on the feds in a cheap attempt to score political points.
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    @galt45 Didn't think they'd be able to pay for it? It's 100% paid for by the federal govt now and at it's highest cost, 90% of it would be paid by the federal govt. States using 'cost' as an excuse not to expand a program to the poor is a cop out to keep the anti-ACA propaganda constant.
  • #342
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    So, this is the new tactic. You don't expand entitlements or insurance or whatever and you are murderers. You know for a fact that it was the lack of whatever that caused their death. The new mantra.
  • #341
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    there is no indication that what happened would not have if she had MEDICAID. this is just more propaganda to prop up the failed PnPuACA. <ignore>
  • #316
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    this seems like the kind of person it would help , a person trying to do her best for her kids.

    then again with all the rewards for those who have never worked a lick,kind of makes it look like those who do work should get it easier then those who have leeched a life time.
  • #284
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    First let me say that I'm sorry for the loss. Now that being said, you must have 3 lousy part time jobs to only be making 11K a year. My guess is that the baby sitting and the house cleaning was a cash job thus causing her to not show a higher income. I also have to wonder with the umpteen million fake disability people out there, why didn't she try to get disability herself being she had heart issues. Next I also wonder being the article didn't say what the official cause of death was. Was it brought on by something she may have been taking? Not saying it was but we don't know that either. Finally you can blame Florida all you want by not expanding Medicaid but maybe the Dems should have made the bill 10,000 more pages to where as it covered that pay range. Another failed flaw of NOBAMACARE.
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    @AceLuby Umm I know people who clean houses and the pay is pretty good. If not she should ave quit babysitting and house cleaning and got another job. Florida's min wage is 7.93 and that would mean she wasn't even working 30hrs a week at ALL jobs combined. You can't tell me she couldn't get TWO part time jobs at a fast food place and not get 40hrs combined. Again, how much was cash paying jobs which wasn't included in the amount claimed?
  • #274
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    Blame Florida really. Florida didn't write Obamacare nor was Florida willing to take over additional Medicaid coverage which Florida would end up paying for.
  • #187
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    Perhaps a wrongful death suit against Rick Scott? He and any other Governors whose temper tantrum opting out have cost lives!
    Of course a single Mom working 3 jobs doesn't count to Republicans.
  • #360
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    If you really want to get technical, the suit should go against SCOTUS for ruling that states can opt out of the medicaid expansion. The State of FL (not just Rick Scott), exercised that option. Hate this response all you want, but the law is the law. You liberals wanted 0bamacare...just saying. The GOP isn't to blame here no matter how you slice it.
  • #129
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    What I don't understand is why she was only making $11k per year. FL min wage is $8/hour which is about $17k per year 40 hours per week.
  • #180
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    @Cal said she was working 3 part time jobs. She would have had to have worked about 25 hours a week to make just 11k a year.
  • #228
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    @Yank

    Hmm, I read that as she made $11,000 too much to qualify...

    "She made about $11,000 a year, too much money to qualify for a public Medicaid plan but too little to be eligible for the federal subsidies to buy a plan on Obamacare's private exchanges."

    But now that I have reread it I'm not sure... How could only $11,000 a year be to much for a mother of three too much to qualify for anything... Hell, I don't see how a single person could survive on that much let alone raising three kids (and why the hell would someone keep popping out kids on that kind of income, but that's another subject...)

    Some clarification would be nice...
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    @thhutton

    Damn, I need to proofread better... How could only $11,000 a year be too much for a for a mother of three to qualify for anything...
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    @thhutton that is what I am thinking. That is only about 40% of the poverty level for a family of 4. Something doesn't add up.
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  • #402
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    There is usually more than one side to this story. Even with Medicaid many hospitals and doctors do not accept Medicaid because the payout is so low that they lose money on every patient. Hospitals that receive government funding would have seen her whether or not she could afford to pay and whether or whether not she had Medicaid. It is debatable whether expanding Medicaid would have been to sole reason this woman died. To put 100% of the blame on her state is not logical because no one is denied health care who need it. In my area there are free clinics to diagnose problems and a hospital that turns no one away. I am sure Florida has those types of facilities too.
  • #390
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    I wonder how many people will die BECAUSE of the interference by the government? A study in Great Britain found that 28,000 people die every year because of the single-payer system there.
  • #370
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    The working poor always fall through the cracks!

    Basically, your penalized, screwed over, etc. for working and your rewarded, taken care of, etc. for being a worthless piece of crap welfare bunny!
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