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    And the costs to do so would be minimal. Heck, they could even turn it into low-income or mixed-income housing at a small cost.
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    Brilliant idea.

    I see the crime associated with mall parking lots (vandalism, break ins, car-jackings, theft of autos) as one of the main reasons to avoid them.

    We shop locally owned, locally managed shops employing local people as much as humanly possible.

    I think that giving the malls over to shelter the homeless is an excellent idea.

    Further, I would suggest that the agencies which can provide services (health, emergency medical, security, employment, food donation, clothing donation, etc) should take up residence or provide satellite offices within the same buildings.

    In Topeka we have a mall that was part of my youth. White Lakes Mall was a glory when it opened...all but abandoned now. Houses a telemarketing call center and a branch of the DMV.

    So much wasted space being heated and cooled. The place is rapidly deteriorating.



    ...and while it all rots away they are STILL trying to "sell" the place for near $4 million.

    http://www.loopnet.com/Listing/18373568/3600-...
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    One reason that a lot of these malls are closing is strictly due to location. Nobody wants to go shopping and then get robbed on the way out to the parking lot.
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    Yes prime example is eastland mall in Columbus Ohio. Now ghetto land mall. Replaced by Easton town center. Which is fast becoming ghettofied.
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    Well, there's a shocker!

    Hmmm ... why is it that online retailers are killing the brick & mortar stores ... could it be sales tax, price gouging, and the cost of fuel and the time wasted driving and walking around trying to find what your looking for?

    You can't beat the Point & Click ... along with the Search function!

    ... having owned a online store at one point ... I can tell you ... even I rejected selling to customers in my own state just to avoid the hassle of sales tax ... now that's speaks volumes I think!
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    I buy my clothes online, my wife buys her jewelry online, We both buy furniture online. There's really no reason to go to malls anymore, unless you're like a soccer mom or a teenager. The malls in Missouri I've been to, and a long time ago they were convenient. They aren't now, times change. Malls are like a horse and buggy, get with the times and buy an automobile.
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    You buy furniture online without physicaly touching it or sitting on it to know if it's comfortable?
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    @gsdlover I mostly wear suits, so I just enter my measurements. No need to try things on, I'm assuming you don't shop online.
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    Anything I can buy on-line...I do...unfortunately there are still times I have to deal with the insanity of the shopping experience in America....it usually just depresses me
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    Me, too. God, I hate going to Wal-Mart, but there are some things that just necessitate it. It's either one big box store or another, so it really doesn't matter.
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    Just look where all the defunct malls are in the St Louis area. Need I say more? St Louis County set up Precinct Stations right smack dab in the middle of a few of the malls and still they couldn't control the animals.
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    same deal in Atlanta, one of the high $$$ high class malls (Lenox) has a police precinct in it now, but still lead in car-jackings, robberies, muggings, go figure
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    Online shopping is not the culprit here, strip malls have been dying since the early 90's long before the internet became a viable way to shop and the masses subscribed to that in numbers that could put a serious dent in outlet shopping.
    (1)This mainly harkens back to the days when Reagan deregulated the banks allowing them to get into speculative real-estate deals. This was also caused interest rates to fall on both loans and savings. People mistakenly thought the economy was doing well because of all the building, more specifically, over-building. I was driving all around LA in the early 90s' and stopped in many malls to find although the stores were open, there was no one in them. I drove by dozens and dozens of empty buildings which looked brand new but no one ever rented. This made lots of money for contractors, suppliers, architects, and short-term investors, but eventually the loopholes were closed that provides government assistance to those same builder and investors. I recommend seeing the movie " The Boost" with James Woods and Sean Young which gives a fair account of that phenom.
    (2) Chain store investment. 40 years ago you needed to make sure gas tank was full when traveling on the interstate. Not anymore, on average there is a gas station/market and or fast food eatery every 8 miles on the road. Walmart grew to serve the elevating lower-income demographic and when possible, erected them close to busy interstate hubs. Super stores like: Target, Lowes, Home Depot, Best Buy, Office Depot, and Kohl's, were big enough to be their own anchor, thus negating the strip mall that encased many stores. Middle-class stores are struggling and losing money. Even Radio Shack has had to close many of its stores. If the trend continues there will be 40% less retail options for middle-class shoppers, in the next 5 years, forcing them into online buying.
    (3) More an more people have migrated towards the cities and suburbs.
    (4) Why spend millions to renovate and old spaces when you borrow millions more to build a new one at 3 times the cost? That's just basic business. The banks like it because the equity has more resale value. the borrower likes it because they can skim that much more off the construction costs.
    (5) Yes, online shopping is starting to put a very small dent in tactile retail shopping. Dollars are tight. Retailers have lobbied hard to abolish the out-of-state tax-free exemptions. Eventually this will not matter. Retailers will be forced to minimize their operations to boutique levels to cater to the rich, or find ways to compete with Walmart and the ever-growing number of national "dollar-type" stores.
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    Seen many malls in my area that look like these places since the early 90's. This is not a new trend and it wasn't online shopping that started it. It might have been the final nail in the coffin but the ascendance of Walmart has more to do with these empty shells than anything else. Walmart's decision as a company to move out of these malls so they could avoid competition from other stores selling the same goods is far more directly responsible with these closing than Amazon. Amazon was just a kick in the gut of a dying man.
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    'strip malls have been dying since the early 90's ' I hardly would call the Malls shown above 'strip malls'.
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    So now is it Reagan or the banks who are the boogie man in your response?...there always has to be a boogie man.
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    @Macksfield
    Well, I listed five reasons. Reagan was only one of them. Reagan did the same thing in California before he duplicated that failed plan on a national level. Yes, there always is someone to blame in matters of business. Mother nature, God, ghosts, or animals dont make laws last time I checked.....
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    Good riddance! I haven't been to a mall in decades, they make me feel claustrophobic. On the plus side, abandoned malls make great indoor shooting ranges. Or sets for zombie movies.
  • #26
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    Shows how the economy sucks, and stores like Wal Mart, Costco and other big box stores have killed the mom and pop stores and the malls.
  • #92
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    Anymore there is loyalty. I buy gas a they same place for the pas 20 years. They are not the cheapest place. There have been many different employed but the owners are the same hard working people I met 20 years ago. I try to buy from local folks. It doesn't always work out, but majority of time I can do this.
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    Sorry, but I like my Amazon Prime. I like my things shipped directly to me. I know there was a mall in Springfield, VA that shut down a couple years back. It was a mecca for MS13 illegal alien cockroaches terrorizing the innocent. Said mall is now being "renovated." I'll place my bets it'll still be a cesspool after it's complete. You can take the ghetto out of the hood, but you can't take the hood out of the ghetto...
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    Are you going to enjoy it when the cost of Prime doubles while stores like Walmart and Target can ship that item to you same day with little to no shipping cost? Amazon is in trouble.
  • #105
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    The mall closest to me is the same way. I never go there. It's a dump and full of riffraff and you're lucky to get out of the place without being robbed.
  • #101
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    Schools, Libraries, low income family homes . small merchants, gardens art/culture centers librariess and public services such as police fire and military could all be housed in these abandoned structures - endless creative possibilities
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    And stocks rebounded today "on retail sales." Joke. Malls are dead without heavy weight restaurant names. The 4 corner chains can't keep the traffic because of Amazon, even when they pay zero rent. Brick and mortar malls are finished.
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    Doubtful, Amazon is in trouble in the next 5 years unless they can figure out a way to lower their shipping costs. Omnichannel options provided by Walmart, Target, and Google shopper will start to bite into their marketshare starting next year. They can't compete with a dozen distribution centers compared to the thousands that established brick and mortar stores already have. The writing is on the wall.
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    @PayThatCEO Yep, but it seems that most people who are not in retail or investing in retail do not understand how the market is changing. Strip malls and many big malls will dry up, however B&M stores will be around for a long time, and may even see the end of Amazon before we see the end of Walmart or Target.
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    The cost of upkeep and utilites have made them cost prohibitive. It is cheaper for brick and mortar stores to be located in open air shopping centers. Lower upkeep, lower heating and cooling and cheaper renovation costs, which usually means lower rent.
  • #20
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    Finally, the real reason.
    Building, maintaining and running a "brick" business is far more expensive and serves far fewer customers than a cheap, ugly warehouse that serves a far greater customer base.
    I've been an online shopper since the mid/late 90's.
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    Our malls are here but of course there are empty places in them...

    Well, Towne East is like that anyway, haven't been to Towne West in ages.
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    I dont know why shopping malls are dying. I hate waiting for things to come in when ive ordered them off the web...
  • #120
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    Hey come on now...who said the internet did this???
    You guys are just 'dead headed' toward blaming this economy on ANYTHING but the LIBERAL policies that got us here aren't you???
    OBAMA did this...along with some other help from his counterparts. THIS is a direct result of the economic collapse and the THEME here is meant to lead people AWAY FROM TRUTH.
    Companies have collapsed and fallen and so there are so many FEWER distributors than there were.
    Plain fact of the matter is WOMEN LOVE MALLS and they WOULD be shopping there if they were open and if..........
    They had the GAS TO GO
    THEY HAD THE MONEY TO GO
    and the big one....IF THE ECONOMY had not DESTROYED SO MANY SUPPLIERS.
  • #115
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    Malls, in general, are gun free zones. Great places for cowardly mass shooters. Much safer and easier to point & click & have UPS hand it to you.
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