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  • #12
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    Does this mean State Sen. Glenn Grothman will start working 7 days a week?...I mean if it's voluntary and it is his idea....he should be the first one to want to sign-up...right?...sarcasm, intended
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    A lawmaker work a seven day work week? If you replace the word month with week and then add "every other" then maybe..
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    Let's not forget that every deployed servicemember works 24/7 for up to a year at a time. Even when not on watch or on patrol, they are always on duty. That probably accounts for a lot of in-theater suicides.
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    I like his use of the word "voluntarily", cause they are smashing unions all over the place so there is no reason why employers won't start threatening employees with lose of a job if they don't work 7 days a week and will require 2 weeks notice before the employee plans on dropping dead.
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    Have you actually read the present law? If not, take time to read how it is written. I strongly believe that no employee should be forced to work more than six days a week. I do, however, believe that an employee should be able to volunteer to work longer if he/she wishes. I worked many, many seven day work weeks in my life and it did nothing but put more money in my pocket...money I could put to good use.
    With all that said, I don't know if this guy Grothman's proposal is any better, but the one in place now is no great thing.
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  • #222
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    So the employer schedules you to work 12 days straight without a break or youre fired.. whats the difference? why not just do a 40 hour work week and the rest is volunteer. like every other normal state.
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    Employers can already do that. There is no law that says in most businesses taht says there is a maximum number of hours you can work. But if you work more than 40 hours, you must be paid time-and-a-half in most business.
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    @FaFoxy Not if you a a salaried employee. But saying no to overtime and your fired and then a slave comparison, this entire post is a joke on anyone who thinks it means anything at all.
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    I read the law, he's right, it is sort of stupid. http://dwd.wisconsin.gov/er/labor_standards_b...

    This is because as written, you are not obliged to give off one day in any 7 consecutive day working period. As the law says, give a day off, work 12 and give a day off and you are just fine. I'd just do away with the law or rewrite it so it makes more sense.
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    @dances-weebles I would submit that hours worked and productivity can vary greatly from person to person. Example, my husband could get a very well written brief out in less time than another attorney, both would be very good, but hubby would just do the job in less hours. Everything an employee does is subjective to so many different variables that it would be hard to match, one for one, each employee in any given circumstance. As to the e-mail, well, depends on how conscientious you are. Have an important matter pending? Take the e-mail, it may mean the difference between pleasing a client or running one off.
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    @dances-weebles the lazy bunch are paying for their sluggard ways http://www.france24.com/en/20131205-french-un... good thing we are depended on for their military protection or they would really be broke http://www.dw.de/france-sits-on-record-mounta... YEp lets follow in the footprints of these losers http://www.cbn.com/cbnnews/world/2010/august/... They better get off their Derriere and get to WORK while they still have a country
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    @Tralee I've worked with OT hogs that worked double shifts for several days in a row & they were pretty worthless by the 3rd day
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    @Tralee Also some jobs are not all about productivity. sometimes its just a matter of having to have a person attending or monitoring something.
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    Well, I don't think there should be a law expressly prohibiting it, sometimes when things get really busy in a trade or something it's reasonable.
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    See a c that's what he's saying. He's not saying "I want everyone toiling away with no days off!" as the title reads.
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    @BobSmith yep. Good thing there are folks who will call it. If the rhetoric were allowed to run rampant and unchecked, there's no telling what BS stories would be propagating!
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  • #30
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    You hear a lot of stories about hourly wage people not being able to work enough OT hours because of this law? Yeah... me neither.

    Meanwhile people who aren't getting paid OT (almost all retail and food management) many times are only protected by this law. Solving problems that don't exist...
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    If 7/12 is needed it's needed, I havnt had an employee yet complain when we have then. It's rather nice pay check.
  • #109
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    Like an employee is going to say "no" and risk losing their job for being "uncooperative" or "not a team player."
  • #121
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    @cpeter133 if they aren't willing to work the required hours they aren't cooperative. They receive more then fair compensation. Here comes your rant on free time etc etc save us the bullet point rhetoric.
  • #168
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    @Arumizy Required hours aren't voluntary. If you are going to ASK, then "no" should be a valid response. Their reasons are none of your business.
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    Voluntar? yeah right! Employers will use your "uncooperative" attitude against a worker who wanted a day off.
  • #116
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    I believe our military is voluntary too. Then our soldiers got redeployed over and over again.(under a conservative republican leadership) They didn't even get the option to say no. "Voluntary" my pet donkey.
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    @The_JillyBeans
    It is voluntary to join the military. If they don't want to be deployed, they shouldn't join. At the moment I do believe it's (under a liberal democratic leadership).
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    @presSTOMPYFOOT - we're talking about unreasonable number of consecutive work days. Well the "volunteer" military had unreasonable number of consecutive deployments through the "stop loss" policy. We are now "benefiting" from the damage this causes. These people like our employees have families, obligations and health that should be considered. Mental health has been the biggest issue for veterans of all wars, particularly this war because of it's duration of deployments, second the increased chance of injury. Also consider just how much time these military personnel are actually working as they live "out in the field."
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    @The_JillyBeans
    I have members of my family in the Army, Air Force, Navy, and Marines, so I get it. My point was, they all voluntarily signed up for it. It was a personal choice, even knowing the possible outcomes. BTW, I very proud of each one of them.
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    I always find it interesting that so-called "conservatives" define "freedom" as increasing the ability of corporations and employers to do what they please. Rarely do they have enything to say about the "freedom" of human beings except for the "freedom" to starve, the "freedom" to die in need or healthcare or the "freedom" to own scores of guns!
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    @coritah
    That explains it much better. It looks the current law in Wisconsin is the same as at my last job, and it was NOT worker friendly.
  • #13
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    We often have out of town, out of state projects where the crews move onto location and work 10 - 14 days straight working 8 - 12 hour shifts. Since these types of bids started back in the early 90's I have never had to demand, require or coerce anyone to sign up.

    Nice paychecks...but much like work on a fishing boat or oil rigs, the crew prepares and plans for these long hauls.

    Hourly pay, plus OT bonuses, plus per diem stipends, plus profit sharing make it quite a profitable venture for the crew.
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    But those are jobs that are done in "sprints" and have times of rest. I work in IT project managment, we have long days, and we have times where we work straight through. But we also have comp time to compensate for the extreme work schedule sometimes needed.

    I don't have the optimism to believe that in the new "conservative" scheme that there will be the common sense to not over-scedule resources to keep labor costs down.
  • #28
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    I think this mostly affects people in industries that are exempt from overtime and retail management, people who already get the short end of the stick. I also understand that by 'voluntary' they mean you can voluntarily work OT and not get paid or you can voluntarily find another job. To think this is about 'freedom' for workers who most likely already don't get opportunity for OT because it will cost the buiness 1 1/2 times the hourly rate is incredily naive.
  • #125
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    I agree with Tralee. Not everyone can volunteer or is suited for a longer work week. The medical community's residency horror stories on working hours should be noted with some physicians in training working straight 40 hours on their feet. I would guess that there would be predictable lack of quality, physical exhaustion, and temperamental episodes during the later phases of that work week. One might surmise that liability would increase.
  • #152
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    You're right. Residents can now only work a maximum of 30 hours straight, and may ONLY assist in the very first surgery of the morning following a night of call. One day in seven must be completely free of any responsibilities, and that time is computed from the moment they leave the hospital grounds until the moment they pull back into the parking lot.
  • #112
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    Some people work smarter, not harder. Back when I was in the corporate world, I could get done in 5 hrs what it took most people 2 days to accomplish. They never thought things through or multi-tasked.
  • #120
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    It's not particularly good for your health to not have rest. There is a cost to your physical and mental health, as well as reduced life expectancy.
  • #148
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    @The_JillyBeans And this is why the ACGME established the mandatory 60 hour (or less) work week for resident physicians. Every resident knew before this law that speaking up about feeling exhausted would cost them their career. And so, patients had to die and regulations and penalties had to be imposed before the idiot hospital CEOs grudgingly stopped using residents as cheap surgical first assists.
  • #158
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    @cpeter133 - You can utilize technology and automate redundant tasks. Coming from It, I do spend a lot less time doing tasks. Primarily because I don't like doing repetitive things. It amazes me how people fear technology and insist on doing things so manually.
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  • #26
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    He is not mandating that anyone be required to work seven days a week. He is giving people the choice to if they want. I cannot conceive of any problem with a law that expands the free choice of an individual to do that which is ordinarily legal.
    When I first started to work in the computer industry I frequently worked 60 plus hours a week. When I started my computer software consulting and development business I worked long stretches of 7 day weeks many with over 100 billable hours. There was one stretch When I worked from the end of December until early July without a single day off.
    If I had been prohibited from that it is unlikely I would have made the few millions I dd and be in a position to retire at 42 when my wife got sick and was given 5 years to live.
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