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    If they can't ban the gun then do the next best thing and buy up its ammo.What does NOAH need bullets for?Perhaps shoot mother nature when it produces a killer tornado?The reason should be clear to all that see it for what it is.
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    @miketost asks:
    ║ What does NOAH need bullets for?

    For their law enforcement division, perhaps?
    http://www.nmfs.noaa.gov/ole/

    ► Now, had you asked "Why does NOAA need a law enforcement division," I'd have backed you up 100%. If anyone needs to "protect marine resources" it should be the Coast Guard!
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  • #44
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    Everyone is arming themselves. All agencies are getting ready for the final social-economic cataclysm except the people who are remaining defenseless.
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    @MBernard the question there is are said people CHOOSING to remain defenseless or are they being snuffed out of the opportunity to purchase ammunition?
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    @MarkJM well I don't really need to answer that, do I? You've seen the government assault on the second amendment.
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    Postal inspectors have been around since before the revolution, and the post office was one of the first federal police agencies, so it should surprise no one that they buy ammunition.
    However, the vast amounts of ammunition that the various federal agencies have been buying is troubling. The high percentage of hollow point bullets in the orders should also raise red flags.
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    I also heard they're buying up old Seal Team's 'Hush Puppies' with Silencers to get rid of the occasional pesky dog on their routes, lol (joke).
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    @Cincinnatus
    Hollow points are generally not used in training because of their expense. If they really are using millions of hollow points in training that is literaly money going up in smoke.
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    let's not forget that the post office is prejudiced toward non-veterans. You get free extra points on your postal aptitude test if you had an honorable discharge.
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  • #115
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    Yes and yes again. The USPS has a small llaw enforcement branch. The do need ammo for their weapons and for qualification.

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    LOL hollow points?Target loads (or wad cutters) are much cheaper and hitting your target is no different than using bullets banned by the Geneva convention for use in war.As an ex-cop you know that.Get real.I have shot both and would not want to be on the receiving end of either a hits a hit. Dont use the ballistic crap that they shoot differently if you can hit a 4 inch target with one you will hit it with the other at ranges handgun ammo would be used.
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    Snopes is full of it! Billions of rounds of ammo is being distributed to civilian agencies "that should be as strong and well funded as our military." Obama alluded to that early in his presidency in the following clip.

    "Over the last 2 years, NTEB has brought you story after story exposing the bizarre federal civilian purchases of hollow-point ammunition, firearms, and 2,700 light-armored tanks for non-military groups like the US Postal Service, and Social Security. Now it can be revealed that Obama has created a vast, militarized Federal civilian army spread out across dozens of agencies, all whom report to his administration."

    In his own words--
    http://www.nowtheendbegins.com/blog/...
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    Well I'll sleep better knowing that Snopes says that the First American Reich has no ill intentions in stockpiling ammo. Like that ends the discussion. Snopes is fine for garden-variety urban myths, but their politics are obvious and somehow they always "disprove" any rumors about Democrats and "prove" anything negative about Republicans. Regardless, this rampant purchasing of ammo by all kinds of agencies is frightening.
  • #342
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    Conservatives and Republicans lie by nature? Really? Are you implying that Democrats don't? "If you like your health care plan, you can keep it. Period." Voted #1 political lie of the year by Politifact and will go down in history as one of the biggest doozies ever. Democrats win awards for lying.
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    "...gun owners need not be overly concerned that there's not going to be any ammo left."

    Ummm...have you looked on the shelves at your local sporting goods stores lately? You can't find 9mm,.380,.44Mag (or specials), or .22LR. In fact, last time I looked, the *only* handgun round on the shelf was .45ACP. I've only recently been able to find 12ga. 00 buckshot anywhere locally.

    Yeah...there's plenty of ammo available.
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    At Walmarts here in Albuquerque, there is plenty of .223 and .308,.40 cal,.45 caliber- less frequently .380,.32 and .25 cal but you are correct: forget .22 caliber (the other day on either Law & Order, or Chicago PD the actors had a line where they said that .22 hollow points were 'assassins' bullet of choice', oh, boy- new pretexts to begin banning certain calibers, lol).17HM2 or .17HMR, 9mm or 10mm- especially the 10mm which I understand is the FBI's caliber of choice.
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    @GedankPol There does seem to be plenty of .308 and .223 where I live too, and you can find .300 Win Mag, although it's expensive ($60/box of 20) and you can't always be picky about brand or bullet weight.

    .22 hollow point as "assassin's bullet of choice?!?" :face_palm:
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    @AK-Vstrom Maybe they were thinking of assassins of squirrels and rabbits! In Louisiana I haven't had any trouble finding .380s, 9s or 44mags. I rarely see any of those .22 assassinator bullets though. The .380s and the rest have been a little on the high side but my caliber of choice,.45s, are starting to come down. Just yesterday I bought 20 .50bmgs for 60 bucks so I get to shoot a buddy of mines new .50 cal. We are just getting there though here with having more ammo, they just put them back on the shelves an not behind the checkout counters.
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    When the story broke about the massive purchase of weapons, ammunition (including types not legal in warfare), all kinds of military vehicles in enough quantities to last close to 100 years I concluded that Obama was actually planing to have the DHS. ready to impose martial law prior to the 2016 elections. I expect he will disband congress and declare himself president for life.
    The stories of all these other agencies getting armed is supportive of my fear.
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    @Cincinnatus @Cal I know you think it impossible. I think it possible but hope it is unlikely. There are many things that have happened and are happening that should scare even you. Armed postmen!
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    @fraps
    It's not that we "think it impossible." It's that it IS impossible. It's an absolutely ludicrous conspiracy theory you're peddling.
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    I can see where postal carriers might be more fearful about delivering mail to certain areas, or fearful of getting hi-jacked... I also know that some NOAA people are on the ground in terrain where wild animals could be a threat, or on the water where pirates are a real danger...

    But thinking that the postman and the weather guy are about to form their own army and take over our country IS a bit outlandish!
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    I don't see it as they forming their own armies and taking over the country, but I do see it as the gradual arming of all federal and quasi-federal (USPS) employees IF the ultimate aim is to disarm the civilian population. The arming with the aim of preventing any isolated incidents of retaliation towards government employees if a ban on civilian ownership of firearms is enacted. This is very similar to what was detailed in "Gun Control in the Third Reich" and how the Nazi regime started by disarming at first 'Politically-Unreliable' persons, that extending that to parties opposing the Nazi party, then veterans organizations such as Stahlhelm (their equivalent of VFW or the American Legion, then private shooting clubs that did not have Nazis in all of their administrative offices, then eventually only card-carrying members of the Nazi part. Consider that the 'author' of the Gun Control Act of 1968, Senator Thomas J. Dodd (D-CT) who was at Nuremberg Trials, was VERY impressed with the Nazi German Gun Control Laws and requested the Library of Congress to provide him with a translation of such Nazi laws. He then used those laws to draft the Gun Control Act of 1968. Much of the matras we hear from the gun control people echo those of the Nazi German Propaganda (PROPagating the AGENDA) Machine. Take it from survivors, sons and daughters of survivors, and grandchildren of survivors: jpfo.org/filegen-a-m/GCA_68.htm
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    The ammunition is NOT for letter carriers it is for the 1,200 postal inspectors who investigate a very wide variety of serious felony crimes, from violent postal workers to mail fraud, drugs, and theft of mail, including valuable insured items. They are required to qualify on the range every year just as other cops are. Besides them there are about 1,000 uniformed, armed security types that they employ who also must qualify.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_Po...

    if each of the 2200 fires only 120 rounds a year, that's 264,000 rounds a year. If they are buying a five year supply to get a better price that's 1.3 million rounds.
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    @GedankPol
    Hey , if you knew anything about what you think you do, you'd know that there is every bit as much reason for Postal inspectors to be armed and to qualify on the range as there is for FBI agents, DEA agents or Secret service agents. They are a major federal law enforcement agency. BTW all of them are composed of people just like you and your neighbors.
    they are certainly not "quasi-federal (USPS) employees ." they have one purpose and one purpose only. To keep you safe.

    It's strange that there has been no Nazi takeover of America recently (which you fear) since everything you are concerned about has been going on for at least 60 years now! Vastly more of us posses and carry handguns now than then. and we do it with the recent blessing of the U.S. Supreme court for our personal protection and the protection of our families. Not for sport or target practice.

    But always remember this: "Just because you are paranoid doesn't mean the bastards aren't out to get ya!!
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    @richstacy - "They are a major federal law enforcement agency. BTW all of them are composed of people just like you and your neighbors."

    1) Most major federal law enforcement agencies should be abolished... The DEA and ATF, for instance, are old time revenuers in modern times. They work for the Treasury, not for "the common defence"... They are well-armed, paramilitary tax collectors who work to protect the government, not the People.

    2) I appreciate you pointing out that the people who work for these agencies are our neighbors and fellow countrymen... I also know that most signed on to do good for the rule of law... unfortunately, they are now trained and programmed to operate well above the law, abuses of power are rampant, and they are even more attached to the federal government, in many cases almost outside the power of the People who pay their salaries...

    This is despicable... it is despotism... it is tyranny...

    We gotta think beyond arming ourselves... that is the last resort... Despots will not fear our guns if they do not first fear our power.

    Joseph Stalin said it well: "Ideas are more dangerous than guns."

    IMPEACHMENT EN MASSE!
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  • #43
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    And you believed the liberals when they said there wasn't any truth to this? Why didn't you believe the republicans? I'm sure they were sounding the alarms loudly... why didn't you listen to them?
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    @DogLady_1 I'm not following you. It isn't up to me to prove it or disprove it. I trust the republicans only slightly more than I trust the democrats. That isn't saying much.
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    @TigerLandSC - My point is, if you know what the liberals said, shouldn't you also know what the republicans said? Or do you get your info from liberals exclusively?

    Why didn't you also say "the republicans were very sure that there was/wasn't any truth to it." Why did you only mention the liberals?
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    Let me guess: The US Postal Service, in an attempt to pull out of its financial downward spiral will be providing button-men, hit-men, mechanics,'animals', etc. to the US intelligence community. A senior executive for the Postal Service got the idea after watching "3 Days of the Condor" with Robert Redford, 1975, and "Safe House" with Patrick Stewart, 1999, ;o)
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    @GedankPol
    WELL...at least ONE PERSON on this forum has decided to put out some possible reasons! THANK GOODNESS cause I was beginning to think all we had LEFT was 'conspiracy theory'....you know the IMPOSSIBLITY that 'our government' might acutally want to KILL us or something!
    After all...people DO buy BILLIONS of arms 'everyday' and no one asks them WHY!!!
    Slap us in the face!!!! WE should NOT THINK the 'worse' of our government like that...they have proven to be SO RELIABLE!!!
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    Anyone watch Person of Interest last night? Scary stuff, and the technology is here to locate, surveil, track, anyone. And it is in the hands of corporate America and the government. Patriot Act was biggest push to date to get into private and personal lives.

    Yes, the government has a secret system, a machine, that can track us every hour of every day.
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    We all contribute to spying on each other if we own or use technology like home surveillance, TV's, Radio, game devices, cellphones, IPads, modern cars, etc. Now just as in Person of Interest it is possible to have access to those devices and use them to observe what folks are doing at any given time. When you watch TV or play music in your bedroom the government can be watching and listening to you.

    There's no longer a need for our homes to be bugged by outsiders. We have bugged ourselves and is so doing have inadvertently become spies on our neighbors.

    Blacks since slavery were taught and trained to spy on each other. Majority society did not object. Now technology is doing the same thing to all of us that too few spoke against when it was happening to the least of us. Payback is a Bit-h.

    We must always take a strong stand against injustice anywhere, everywhere, and especially at home, or else the chickens will surely come home to roost, as they are doing.
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    @DogLady_1 that is. The real solution. Vote all of them. Out and replace them with independents, libertarians or whatever. They can't do any worse!
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    @DJ_Garimi - "In politics a person is not a citizen if the person's only function is to vote. People who simply drop scraps of paper in a box or pull a lever are not acting like citizens; they are acting like consumers picking between prepackaged items. They had nothing to do with the items. All they can do is pick what is. They cannot actively participate in making what should be." -- Karl Hess

    Every American votes... either with their actions at the polls, or with their inactions... Either way, we all must hang together, right???
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    Federal Business Opportunities website is a bad link. Only source to verify is taking Dain at his word and Newsmax...a proven source of false stories time and time again.

    I'm skeptical Dain.
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    @DogLady_1 I wasn't saying I didn't believe this was happening, but you can't deny that it fuels the 'govt is coming to get us' conspiracy nuts. Just look at the other comments.
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    I wonder why a Nobel peace prize president, allows ammo buying to be loaded into what?
    To be used by whom and to be used on whom?
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    @magnacarta
    YOU REMEMBERED! I thought everyone had conveniently forgotten this most 'prestigious' award!
    Why? Because he is 'something much worse' than we think he is and worse than HE thinks he is and not good enough for that prize!
    THESE are the $64,000 questions that I AM TRYING TO GET SOMEONE ON HERE TO GIVE ME!!! NO takers yet except a funny above!
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    @PhreedomPhan
    You got that right my friend!
    There is more than ONE way to be 'peaceful' isn't there? ELIMINATING the 'yelling masses' is ONE WAY to have peace!
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    @Cookie777
    I've got a great cartoon in my files showing Obama shoveling skulls into a steam locomotive firebox on his way to collect the prize.
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    @Koma
    Yes...lets ALLLLLLLL make sure we look EVERYTHING up on SNOPES to make SURE we do not 'tattle' something that is NOT TRUE!
    After all they are 'the most reliable news source on the planet!'
    REALLY????!!!
    For dumb stuff on the net MAYBE...but if its YOUR LIFE YOUR BETTING ON then you better be looking it up somewhere else!!!
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    Learn to reload it is not that difficult or costly to do.What are they going to do with the lead bullets they purchased today when they become banned in 2015?You would think they would be stockpiling the more environmental friendly bullets the military will be required to use.
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    @miketoast
    Will they be made of 'paper' like the BILLIONS of paper that went into writing our new OBAMACARE legislation??? Bet there is MORE 'lethal paper' in that pile to make even more 'really good' bullets!
    After all the government is SO COOL and EFFICIENT they can find a way to make those paper bullets 'really work good!'
    Just funning a bit!!!
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    Postal Inspectors are armed, but I see no need for NOAA or even the postal service to be buying ammunition in large quantities. There are far too many armed federal agencies now, as we have recently witnessed in Nevada. Let them share if need be.
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    Sure .... right now ... those purchases aren't meant for war instead they're being used to terrorize & make threats!

    When people get sick and tired of their bullshit and start defending themselves with force ... then the government will start using that ammunition/weapons against it's own people! Just history repeating itself over and over .. that's just what socialist countries do ... rule by force!
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    Go ahead-start shooting government officials........no other way to prove your "opinion".
    Your Free Speech is a far more valuable tool for liberty than any weapon.
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    @Unfit2serve
    Tell it to the hundreds of millions around the world who were executed for saying the wrong things. There is no "Free S;eech" without the ability and willingness to fight for it.
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    @PhreedomPhan
    Everyone is entitled to their opinion..........and I can do far, far more damage, or speak to far, far more folks with a keyboard or a pen than I can with any of my guns. And I can convince many more folks with my Free Speech than will ever be convinced at the wrong end of my barrel.

    There is a reason Free Speech is the FIRST and not the Second Amendment..........and the Founders knew which was more precious and powerful.
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    @Unfit2serve
    Without the right to keep and bear arms we have the right to say anything we like and to convince everyone we can as long as what we're saying is government approved.

    There is nothing to warrant the conclusions of your second paragraph. I think the real founders showed what was more important at Lexington and Concord.
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    @PhreedomPhan
    OK...I suppose you miht want to evidence your argument wih some kind of plausible scenario.
    Could you give me an example of how your guns (I'm a gun owner) are helping secure anything, right now? Because if you can't....you are expecting me/us to believe that the government is terrified you or other citizens might be armed, and thus, won't infringe upon your rights?
    This is of course complete nonsense, as not one citizen lifted a weapon when most foolish Americans swallowed the Patriot Act like candy, despite it's heavy infringment and evisceration of our civil rights.......
    I respect everyone's opinion.......but thinking your weapons are securing your rights or freedom or liberty is not realistic. No citizen, no radical militant organization, not even a large group of citizens, with time and planning and organization,(which the government would not provide you if they had any intention of "disarming" you).........could ever mount more than a 1-2 day televised "showdown" with even the smallest of local or county law enforcement agencies. It would be a "Cops" segment.........and if you have any doubt about this.......re-watch what happened to the Boston Area after the bombings. That kind of SWAT response, x100 would instantly happen the second a group of citizens starting spouting off about anarchy and taking on the government. Not even FOX News with their typical sensationalized fomenting of violence against the government by propping up a hapless criminal grifter, as they've been doing the last 2-3 days, while dreaming and hoping for a shootout in Nevada, would be of much assistance. This is a country that went shopping while our "Leader" sent 4200 precious soldiers to the deaths over phony, ginned-up war....and most folks yawned and ignored that War.
    I can say anything I like in America without owning a weapon of any kind.....just like the 78% of Americans who don't own weapons.
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    The government is becoming totally ridiculous with their ammo
    purchasing. I do not believe anything this Administration says
    and am not surprised at anything the do. I believe the stand off
    in Nevada is just the beginning of "WE THE PEOPLE" taking a stand
    against the government, to wit, this administration.
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    Get serious! "This administration is almost out of office already." Federal law enforcement was much stronger and fired more rounds in the Reagan administration. IMHO.
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    There was no "standoff" in Nevada-just the first necessary steps of a tax-cheat criminal and his family finally being brought to justice after blowing off his BLM animal-unit leasing fees and ignoring 3 court orders. Legal action against the Bundy family has been progressing since 1998, and outside of the hapless Bush Adminstration's failure to do its job, it's just another criminal matter the BLM has to clean up.
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    Looks like the Bundy's may have a "Prescriptive Right" to use the land. That is a fairly complicated Real Estate
    term that actually has the Government worried. As of today the Gov. has said they are not going to take
    Bundy to Court because they are afraid he will use this method as a defense. Having over 30 years in The Real Estate business I am familiar with a "prescriptive Easements" right to use someone else's land. The same can happen to anyone who does not notify potential trespassers to leave their land within a specific period of time; the interlopers are legally able to use the land by "Prescriptive Easement Right". You may liken it to "squatters" of bygone years. So, if someone owns land that they do not regularly keep track of they could be the victim of someone using the land by "Prescription". Looks like Bundy may have outsmarted the BLM and The Government. The Gov. wants Bundy to obey the law, well The Gov. also has to obey the law. Suppose The Gov. may have gotten their t$t in the proverbial ringer?
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    So before you folks rattle your Sabers keep up on current events.
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    @richstacy
    They could shoot straighter too!
    And 'almost out of office' I WISH!! Look at what 'he' has done in the last five years and we got THREE MORE TO GO.
    I don't even recognize my 'land' anymore...because of his 'fundamental transformation' I guess.
    Judging by the last five years, THREE MORE COULD KILL US ALL EASY!!!
    Your only problem with the Reagan thing is ....they weren't pointing guns at American citizens!!!
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