• #10
    My grandfather grew up in rural Mississippi during the 1930's, he remembers the Klan pretty well.
    Especially after they lynched his best friends father. That was about 70 years ago, the Klan may not be as violent anymore. But they're a bunch far-right, xenophobic, anti-catholic, anti-gay, anti-Semitic, islamaphobic, hombphobic, racists. YOU CAN'T RE-BRAND THAT.
  • #43
    Thank you, Ironicguy.

    I, too, grew up in Mississippi and Louisiana. I'm white and my father was a member of the KKK.

    Your post is right on. Thanks.
  • #82

    I have seen them in the past in our area some too...I don't see how you wear a swastika and re-brand yourself from the type of hate nor evil that it represents.
  • #95
    While there are several groups that uses our name Ku Klux Klan, it is important to realize that just by wearing our robe and using our name does not make one a Klansman any more than wearing a lab coat makes one a doctor. No group that supports or condones Nazism is part of the Klan, as this is expressly forbidden.
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  • #17
    I wouldn't have given them the time of day myself, but it's a free country and they have a right to their opinions and to voice them...just kind of hard form me to see any sensibility in what they're saying though.
  • #228
    It makes me sad that I had to scroll this far down to find the correct statement. This is America, we are free and others are free (in theory) to believe what they wish. You can't forgive some hate crimes (I am Native, the KKK was the least of our concerns) committed by some groups and then say others cannot change. I am not a white supremacist, I am not white, but the KKK has the constitutional right to exist, if you don't like them don't join (not that they'd have you anyway, unless you are Dave Chappelle).
  • #258
    @midsummer - constitutionally they've been taken care of. When they want to have parades they get permits and police presence, just like any other group. They've not been denied access in recent memory. It's just that everyone wishes they would grow up or move back to Europe.
  • #275
    @midsummer The ACLU has defended their right to exist. And I'll exercise my right to criticize their existence and racist attacks on my & their fellow Americans. Nothing requires any American to not denounce a group promoting stupidity.
  • #1
    Public awareness of the history and true nature of the KKK is a good thing, but providing them with free "publicity" isn't necessary and only encourages violent xenophobia.
  • #158
    these folks used to have publicized meeting in a small town in ca that would be advertised in a local papers in the early 70s their invitations rang like many nonwhite groups i see and read about alot today except their's said the general white public is welcome,now replace that with any and all race based groups who say the same.

    the one with the most attention says for the race everything for all others nothing and this group has their say in our politics and has their hands out for tax dollars,add in here in ca that they also get to have their little hate talks in our public schools.
  • #235
    that's rather like saying that, by reporting on how nicely other hate groups such as 'frc', you are encouraging their violent xenophobia.
  • #279
    @dances-weebles - One of the primary rules of written communications: spell out acronyms on first usage. I had to google FRC, which could be any one of the following:

    Field Robotics Center
    First Robotics Contest
    Fire Resistant Clothing
    Feather River College
    First Republic Bank (on the NY Stock Exchange)
    Family Research Council (which is what you meant by frc, I assume)

    I am still unclear on your reply. Was something that I wrote an indication of approval for the FRC?
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  • #7
    The KKK is trying to rebrand itself as this nice little group that only wants equality for, and to show pride in, the white race.

    Of course no one with half a brain believes that non-sense. They can run around saying they stand for anything they want. The hard truth though, is it doesn't really matter WHAT they say, because ACTIONS speak louder then words, and their actions have all shown us exactly what they stand for, and how they try to accomplish their "goals".

    The fact that they still want to keep the KKK moniker, with it's history of hatred and violence, is enough in and of itself, to show you just what kind of mindset you are dealing with here.
  • #108
    The most honorable "rebranding" act they could do publicly would be to dissolve the Brand entirely, just disband and leave those unis in the streets. Just walk away, while publicly asking for the forgiveness of American Blacks and minorities and our sane society in general, while apologizing to any past victims or the descendants of victims for the KKK's past abuses and cruelty.

    That might actually gain them the respect they seem to want now, or be a first Baby Step towards America recognizing they are making an honest effort to mature and rejoin society.
  • #140
    We offer no apology, we bear no regrets.

    I never owned a slave, and you never been a slave. I have never denied anyone life, liberty or the means of prosperity, nor have I ever brought harm or death to anyone because of their race.

    We are not here to seek acceptance, but to tell you that we are still here and that is the fact you must accept. Do not think that because we are clearing up many of the misconceptions many holds of the Klan that we are attempting to "rebrand ourselves".
  • #276
    @proudvet LOL of coarse you have never owned a slave. It has been illegal now for over a century. And indeed there are several thousand of you still around. And your attempt to clear up the facts of your murderous history is like someone pretending Stalin or Hitler were really kind men who liked children. The Sunday that the Birmingham church killing little girls people finally understood what the Clan was.
  • #328
    @dances-weebles and Frosty,
    I have covered this numerous of times. Birmingham was the sight of so many bombings from both sides that it was nicknamed Bombingham. It took 4 juries to find the accused guilty of any crime (so much for the Constitutional Right against double jeopardy), and even then only after 2 of the men had died and the 3rd suffered from Alzheimer's so severely that he was not permitted to stand in his own trial.

    But who does the FBI consider the prime suspect in this bombing? None other than MLK himself, who was believed to have the bomb planted in order to bring attention to the plight of the blacks. However, Judge John Lewis Smith ordered this and 13 other files to be sealed until the year 2027 "in order to preserve the reputation of an American icon".

    if you have any doubts, check it out. You have a whole world of information at your fingertips.
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  • #32
    I had to vote yes because everyone has the right to their own opinion, even CNN.


    The Ku Klux Klan is a terrorist organization, plain and simple. The fact that some of them wear suits and neckties doesn't negate that fact. I grew up in a county that was politically dominated by the Klan. There have been oceans of print about their relations with black people. There has been very little written about how they dominated the white population that I've seen. They dominated us because nobody really knew who was in it. One toed the Klan line or bad things would happen to you. They may have been more subtle but the result was the same.

    They call themselves "The Invisible Empire" but on Wednesday night they weren't invisible. They were the ones staggering down the street or driving all over the highway. Were they Klansmen or just drunks, nobody knew for sure. I don't know why they picked Wednesday.

    A terrorist organization is a terrorist organization. It makes no difference if the speak English, Arabic, or Lower Slobbovian.
  • #104
    Being called a terrorist has no more impact on me than being called a racist, bigot, hater, etc...

    *King George called the American Patriots "terrorists".
    *When I was serving overseas, I was not called a "freedom fighter". Iraqis called me a terrorist.
    *According to Obama's 2009 letter to the State police departments, anyone who displays support for the Constitution, especially the 2nd Amendment (NRA stickers, hunting clubs), a confederate flag (sons of Confederate veterans and every pickup truck in the South), supports a 3rd party candidate (Ron Paul), displays support for the military (yellow Ribbon, military stickers), or if they are veterans of the US military, then they are to be regarded as potential terrorists.
  • #280
    @proudvet Well of coarse. Why would a racist object to being called a racist? There is nothing Patriotic about someone who claims Klan's murders were justified. Tim McVey & Harvey Oswald were Veterans too. Just having been in the Military doesn't guarantee a person is a good person.
  • #281
    @PayThatCEO I attended a seminar on "Gangs in the USA" The leader argued with lots of evidence that the leaders are Psychopaths who gather ignorant followers to carry out their aims. The followers go to jail and the leaders give speeches to civic groups talking about their contributions to the country.
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  • #263
    There are several different Klan groups. None of them claims to condone violence officially. Of course, they are all despicable racists. If they officially advocated violence, they could be arrested and harassed as the Black Panthers were harassed and actually murdered.

    You cannot really rebrand the Klan into something decent, because basically the Klan stands for hateful views. But we do have freedom of speech, so they can have rallies, give speeches and even burn a cross on private land. The fact is, they have been treated a lot better than the Black Panthers were.
  • #88
    Why not? It is still a free country, I think. I would also question, are they any more hostile or disruptive than the Black Panthers at this day and age?
  • #227
    Don't have a lot of knowledge about the subject, but are the Black Panthers more or less the African American version of the KKK? I've heard of them and heard a few things but I don't know the specifics.
  • #277
    Big difference between the Klan's kill rate compared to the Panthers. Neither are groups of any value to the USA.
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  • #53
    The more people that see and hear what KKK members espouse the less power and effectiveness it has. Keeping them hidden from view let's them fester and grow uglier than they are.
  • #259
    I am white. There is no re-branding the KKK. Those who join know it's history and what it stands for. They maintain the name and the costumes to associate the image with the history and hope that those who sympathize with the group will commit all types of unspeakable hate crimes, while you hide behind your sheets and say "Hey, I didn't do it".
  • #282
    Why else would any adult male wear a sheet? I mean funny hats like the Masons is one think or a sports team logo but hiding under a sheet is really something that only children do.
  • #56
    "And in a sad irony, none of the victims were Jewish. All were Christian."

    Irony? he's a pagan.Pagans are against all religion.They don't care if your Christian or Jewish.
  • #133
    Pagans include wiccans, witches, and many other earth-based religions--so they obviously aren't against religion.
  • #149
    They are against Christianity or any religion that is a belief in a god.They are against recognized religions.

    Many being racist,They are know for wearing pointy hats and burning religious symbols like crosses in the woods.With titles such as Wizards and grand dragons.I guess it doesn't fit CNN profile of a klan member shooting at Christians since By CNN definition the Klan is a right wing Christian hate group when in fact they are God hating racist pagan witches that think much more like CNN and the left wing.
  • #241
    @Jayden again, where did you ever get these notions? pagans aren't racist in nature, nor do they eschew any belief in god. in fact pagans are very devout worshipers of their god(s) and goddess(es). why are you afraid of them?

    and originally, the kkk was a part of the southern baptist church and if you were to ask any southern baptist, they are the only christians.
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  • #19
    Why not?
    These guys came out and condemned the actions of this guy, which is much more than we can say for the Muslims in this country that made no such condemnations of the murders committed in the name of Islam.
    I see more of the PC influence here.
  • #41
    I said yes, it should have been aired, because to logical people of good will it shows what idiots they are to think they can don the costume of hatred, as everyone knows it is, and then say they don't hate.

    Makes me laugh. I'm sure it made many people laugh.

    Btw, my father was a member of the KKK in the early sixties. The men he donned the white costume with were like him, hard-working family men who simply believes that black people should not mix with white people. Then when the public was not listening he used (oh no!) the hate word and the (yes) N word a lot. He hated Jews, too. But he never said that in public. That was only done when people like him were around, or in his own home. And yes, he loved his family and his kids and he was a wonderful father. But he was also a man full of hate -- a man who had not problem saying the only good n is a dead n.

    These men are not good men. Anybody with a modicum of intelligence knows that. Show them in their white attire. They look like idiots. Most of the world is laughing at them.
  • #59
    This brings to mind something I experienced in College. In a PSYCH course I was taking we listened to a recorded address by a man and then were questioned about our reaction to the speech.
    Almost 100% of the class agreed that the guy made good sense and that he was right on the vast majority of what he said. Now the demographics of the class were very mixed including black, white, hispanic, and asian. There were also some mixed race and some with indian blood.
    After we had discussed the speech the instructor told us that the speaker was the Grand Wizard of the California KKK. We then listened to the speech again and suddenly almost 90% of the class said they heard racist, hateful things in his speech.
    The words had not changed, the speaker had not changed only the fact that the audience knew who the speaker was. The exercise was very good because it showed how nearly all of the students had their own prejudices and filtered what they heard based on those prejudices.
    Sort of like immediately dismissing what someone says not because of what he says but because of who or what he is.
  • #110
    @URBS That was perhaps the best post I've seen you make, no villifying, just informing, no anger, just sharing. Thanks for sharing that experience.
  • #122

    I see the point you are making but I suspect you are arguing apples and oranges.

    Certainly people are entitled to their biases and prejudices. We all have them. I suspect it is part of the human condition.

    The Ku Klux Klan, however, is past that point. It's a different situation altogether. For all their honeyed words they are still a terrorist organization, no different than the Al-Qaeda or the New Black Panthers.
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  • #486
    KKK Grand Dragon
    Miller, now 73, was caught by Raleigh, N.C. police in the backseat of a car engaged in a sex act with a black male prostitute who was dressed as a woman, according to an ABC News report.

    Miller was not charged in connection with the prostitution arrest and no public record of the incident could be located. But in a recorded phone call with the Southern Poverty Law, he claimed that he had lured the prostitute to the meeting with the intention of beating him, ABC News reported.


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  • #423
    This article seems weirdly similar to the CNN report it purports to criticize. In the very first paragraph, we have the murder of "a teenage boy and his grandfather", while the inclusion of the murdered woman had to be justified by her good works. Then, the "sad irony" that it was Christians who were killed instead of Jews.
  • #413
    I'm Latino, and I happen to know that there are still some violent and potentially violent White supremacists. I came across them in three locales in Oakland, CA.

    One was in Barcalay's Restaurant and Pub on College Avenue. I was practicing darts and some white-boy made a slur remark towards me. He said blah, blah, wetback, blah, blah.

    Another incident was at Kelly House, an Irish bar on Piedmont Avenue where another white-boy said the same thing.

    The last incident was at Pacific Coast Brewery and Restaurant in Old Oakland, where some bartenders were also part of the problem.

    So, why did they not act out violently? Because the tables have turned and they can't get away with it as they did in the past.

    But the hate and violence potential is definitely there.
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