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  • #6
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    I voted yes, but would like to clarify.
    I support it in theroy, but most likely all this will do is created added bureaucracy and do nothing to solve the problem.
  • #27
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    As is typically what happens when the government gets relied upon for solutions to problems. I think the late President Reagan had something to say about this. ;-)
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    @Threeper301 You mean the guy who massively increased government power and spending though defense spending that let the military industrial complex a bastion of crony capitalism have a hay day?
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    @Threeper301 Or the Iranian contra scandal or arming the Afghanis that later fought us with the same weapons....

    Btw no such thing as a "Tea Party Libertarian"
    Trust me lol I use to identify as one till I learned they are in no way alike.
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    @RONPAULFAN It's not a party platform I'm following or submitting to, "Ron"; it's an IDEA. The root word of it; LIBERTY. But, I understand that with Liberty comes accountability and responsibility for my actions.

    Glenn Beck, an openly admitted Libertarian, said it best in his book "Cowards":

    "Liberty means recognizing the consequences of actions. License, as the most famous example goes, means yelling 'Fire!' in a crowded movie theater. Libertarians believe in Liberty, not license."

    The only time he ever mentions the party platform of Libertarian is when he tells how it's been transformed and smeared into a dirty word by the parties that be; claiming that they (we) are just Anarchists in suits. We're not!

    The kind of Libertarian that I am, and I hope most are, are people who want this country to be the way it was intended; a present, but in terms of governmental regulation and coercive power, weak to allow the people as much freedom and liberty that good order and Rule of Law will allow.

    The US Constitution and it's supplemental Bill of Rights sole purpose was to give the very basic foundation (like the foundation of a building) of a governing system, explaining how positions would be filled, how we would elect, what the requirements were to be elected, establish a way to safeguard this foundation, and then let everything play out as it will as the country goes forth into the future.

    The best example of this, is the World Wide Web; the Internet. Glenn broke it down in Chapter 33 of his latest novel "The Eye of Moloch"; like the intent of the Constitution, the Internet has a laid out foundation of programming and protocol and basic infrastructure to maintain itself, and everything that is added to it is spawned from the imagination, creativity and invention of We the People; a completely free system that has allowed people to succeed, fail, and succeed again however they want. Beck said that same genius of the Internet that has taken the world by storm is the VERY SAME genius that was the intent behind our nation's founding.

    Is it any coincidence that the Internet was an AMERICAN invention???

    We may have our different opinions on what our country has become, but the one thing that unites all Americans is the IDEA and INTENT of America and the genius behind its creation.

    THAT is the kind of Libertarian that I proudly proclaim that I am, and I don't need a party platform to say it; just my own mind, heart and passion.
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    "In March, legislation by Sen. Kirsten Gillibrand, to remove the chain of command from prosecuting sexual assaults and other major military crimes, was derailed in the Senate on a 55-45 vote. That fell five votes short of the 60 needed to overcome a filibuster."

    Anyone want to guess which party filibustered in favor of sexual abuse?

    What's wrong with republicans?
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    Anyone want to guess what PnWest doesn't understand about the military or how it works.

    Whats wrong with liberals?

    Nothing should abandon the Chain of Command, the chain of command is order it is the military. Once you begin to break that , you start to loose it. I dont expect you to understand, your liberal mind cant think of anything but Republican Bad.
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    @Arumizy I served in the military for 24 years. You are spewing BS. The Chain of Command only works if subordinates trust that it will be impartial and just. When a commander does the CYA two-step to protect his career, when a commander uses his position to obstruct an investigation, when a commander retaliates against someone who reports (truthfully) a sexual assault, THAT is what will destroy good order and discipline.
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    @Arumizy

    I'm a liberal and I was in the military combat artillery . What about you ?

    Don't tell me you "served" like Rush Limbaugh or Ted Nugent.
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    @NormalFlora
    And that is when that commander needs to be charged, and dealt with, but to out of hand remove authority from the Chain of Command is wrong period, and by the way I did 22 years on active duty with the US Military.
    There are resources in place to handle Chains that do not respond such as IGs and superior command open door policies.
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    Based on what I saw in over 20 years in the military I would say better than 80% of these charges are false.
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    Why would anyone make a false sexual abuse charge? Not tying to start a fight, just interested on your reasoning.
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    @RONPAULFAN Pass over for promotion, anger, jealousy, there are countless reasons and it happens.
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    @RONPAULFAN from what I saw it was mostly from hurt feelings on one part. Or the usual so and so was going to get a divorce to be with me, or suddenly it is discovered that one party is married. I have also seen just plain animosity because one could cause harm. In the Military, no matter the propaganda, you are guilty unless you can prove your innocence and even then the accusation is a stone around your neck.
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    @RONPAULFAN
    "Sexual Assault" covers a whole lot more than rape. Contrary to popular opinion the military is very sensitive to the issue, so it has become very easy to ruin someones career, all it takes is an accusation of inappropriate touching or some other impossible to prove charge.
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    Does anyone else find it interesting that the no-confidence votes and most of the negative comments come from MEN? Just sayin'.......
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    Clara007

    That is because as a whole we are trash. Most of the abuse of power and corruption comes from us regardless of party.
  • #57
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    Sen. Gillibrand's idea - to remove the chain of command from the investigation and prosecution of military sexual assaults - is reasonable. Beside that, it could provide important information to replace the "guesstimates" currently cited.

    How much change would Gillibrand's proposal bring to the number of sexual assaults reported? The answer to that question would tell us a lot about what has been going on. Of course, it could threaten those in the chain of command. Better that than having women assaulted without adequate recourse to justice.
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    It's not enough that servicemen and women should defend the honor of their country, but they should also defend personal honor and respect particularly for gender and whether their sexual preference is hetero or homosexual.
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    I wonder if this sexual harassment policy would be sharply reduced if females were excluded from battlefield and ships. We don't need temptation, jealousies, and inner competitions to
    jeopardize what is suppose to be a discipline team of young fighting men.
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    magnacarta says: I wonder if this sexual harassment policy would be sharply reduced if females were excluded from battlefield and ships. We don't need temptation, jealousies, and inner competitions to
    jeopardize what is suppose to be a discipline team of young fighting men.

    Are you seriously saying that honorable young men that have been ingrained with the very core of self-discipline in military training are not equipped to deal with women?(Your world is weird.)
  • #56
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    75% of these women don't even belong where they're at. Women bitch and whine that they're "equal" then need requirements lowered to merely qualify to be there.
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    @MeanSpirit ANYTIME you put women in the midst of a bunch of 20 year olds, you get problems. The only weird world is the one that thinks it doesn't happen. Reality trumps emotion everytime
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    @Ets101592 "75% of these women don't even belong where they're at. Women bitch and whine that they're "equal" then need requirements lowered to merely qualify to be there. "

    Thank you for sharing your thoughts on 75% of women putting their lives on the line for your freedom to do so. I'm curious what you think of the other 25%.
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    Those who are drawn to the military often have personalities heavily influenced by authoritarian and aggressive charaterstics. It doesn't surprise me that these issues would occur where these personality types are condensed together.
    By no means disrespect to our soldiers just pointing something out that's not popular to say but true.
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    @NormalFlora some of those sources are long and you might not want to take the time to read them all. Also if you have any specific questions I will answer them.
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    @RONPAULFAN Myers Brigg personality indicator profiles indicate that military leaders tend to be extroverted, thinking folks who are capable of making judgments. Did you even read the damn articles? Did you think you could get away with posting nonsense, just to LOOK like you did some research?
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    @RONPAULFAN The second article does NOT support your premise that aggressive personalities are DRAWN to the military. Again, you obviously did not read what you posted.
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  • #152
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    I voted yes also. But anytime you have women and men in very close encounters, there is going to be some differences of the way relationships go down. So each one must be investigated to the fullest. There are careers at stake.
  • #119
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    Just what did they think was going to happen when women were allowed in the military? What do women think will happen when they join up? There are plenty of places for women in the military, But being in the filed with a bunch of men isn't one of them. Did they ever stop and think what will happen if a woman is taken POW?
  • #118
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    While I have never partaken in a sexual assault, nor am I the victim of same, I would have to assume a sexual assault is very damaging to the psyche. Bad Title.
  • #115
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    I'll solve the problem!#1 bring ALL troops home, NO ONE outside US borders.#2 cut the Army down to 1938 levels.#3 All soldiers must be male.
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    I support beyond this! I was assaulted at a mall! Told the guy I wasn't that way! He came after me again while I was distracted! Knocked him out cold. Seriously self defense! His cohorts did not defend him either. Sexual assault happens everywhere! Just be vigilant everywhere! Have whitnesses!
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    Yes it's bad. Yes, commanders should be heard in the process butt, to date, have proven to be unreliable in the prosecution of the crimes. Additional oversight is necessary.
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    I see lots and lots of problems with this idea. First the US military is all over the world. How would you apply these various provisions on our military in England, Germany, Japan, Korea, Afghanistan and all the other places outside of the US? GAO is going to visit foreign bases? Who will pay the tab?
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    The armed forces is a good old boys network...and therefore all allegations of sexual assaults should be handled on the civilian level
  • #53
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    Have you even been in the military? The last thing needed is a bunch of leftist hack politicians conducting "investigations."
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