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  • #76
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    And that is it In a nutshell. What the hell is his issue that he couldn't read that himself while he was giving that ridiculous justification.
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    In the vernacular of the time "of" would have used like we use "from" now.

    Twenty three minutes of five o'clock, still mean twenty three minutes from 5 o'clock. Our founding father meant for us Freedom From Religion, as o forced worship or church rule.
    That is our foundation.
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    @Superm2475 @MBernard You're both right... but let me just point out that it doesn't matter what the constitution says, people will say it means something else.

    Take the 2nd amendment for example. It says we have the right to bare armes and it shall not be infringed. People say that doesn't cover automatic assault rifles and high capacity magazines, but... "shall not be infringed" addresses that.
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    I heard it took out the Alabama State legal library too. And a couple of the books hadn't even been colored in yet.
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    @PNWest Maybe a reminder from some of his "acquaintances" that are still aropund after his heroic stay in Nam as another REMF'er Republican. At least this one did not dodge but I will bet that someone pulled strings to get him his gig in the rear.
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roy_Moore

    ..........he graduated in 1969 with a Bachelor of Science degree. With the Vietnam War underway, Moore first served in several posts as a military police officer, including Fort Benning, Georgia, and Illesheim, Germany before being sent to South Vietnam. Moore served as company commander of his MP unit and was known to be very strict. Some of the soldiers gave him the derogatory nickname, "Captain America," because of his attitude toward discipline. His role earned him several enemies, and in his autobiography he recalls sleeping on sandbags to avoid a grenade or bomb being tossed under his cot, as many had threatened fragging the commander.
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    @Denizen_Kate Fraggings were becoming fairly common as the war wound down and the REMF's were giving orders to men out in the boonies to risk their lives, knowing that they were dying in a futile cause. I am surprised that this clown, Moore, made it out alive. Some fragging victims were meant to be........ some fragging targets, Moore or less, missed their calling...... LOL!
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    Roy Moore is what you get when you vote (R).

    Unfortunately this is what the GOP has devolved to. The sooner the party dies off the sooner a rational conservative alternate can rise from the ashes.
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    Look at his Facebook page. It lists him as "Politician." No mention of being a Supreme Court Justice. He's still playing politics.
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    I notice that our resident religious nutters are all missing from this thread? I guess they're afraid to admit they agree with the guy
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    I'm not sure everyone that's a Christian feels the same way; but I imagine most have to be more clearheaded than this guy. We don't think freedom of religion entails a criteria for which particular religion should be allowed "freedom". As Americans, hearing such egocentric interpretations of the law isn't worth our rebuttals. There's a long history of adhering to principle before pragmatism in the United States. Has this man ever lived a day in his life without priveledge ? Can we really expect those who aren't forced to question their own liberty to ensure the liberty of others? I don't know the answer; however, this guys blabbering doesn't edify the law---it simply reflects his flawed interpretation of it.
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    To quote Ghandi: "I do not like your Christians, for they are nothing like your Christ." Seems people forget that Jesus was an olive-skinned, anti-organized religion, obey the laws, kind of hippie.
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    I agree.

    Joshua 24:15
    15 And if it is evil in your eyes to serve the Lord, choose this day whom you will serve, whether the gods your fathers served in the region beyond the River, or the gods of the Amorites in whose land you dwell. But as for me and my house, we will serve the Lord.”
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    Men like him are enemies of America. He and his theocratic friends would turn us into a Christian version of Saudi Arabia if they are given any more power. A place where they control trade, finances, information, schools, the miltary and our justice system.
    He is openly hostile to our Constitution and liberties. Imagine what he would do to the Bill of Rights if given a chance.
    There are millions like him, and they are on the move. Worst than terrorists, communists, or the Mafia. We will be fighting for our nation soon if they are not shouted down and put in their place.
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    @BenFE he wants to set this country back 75 years. Good thing he doesn't stand a chance. The world knows, you have to be a democrat or republican to win the white house.
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    @Earle2 He should be careful some of his "friends" from Vietnam might pay him a visit.
    ".......he graduated in 1969 with a Bachelor of Science degree. With the Vietnam War underway, Moore first served in several posts as a military police officer, including Fort Benning, Georgia, and Illesheim, Germany before being sent to South Vietnam. Moore served as company commander of his MP unit and was known to be very strict. Some of the soldiers gave him the derogatory nickname, "Captain America," because of his attitude toward discipline. His role earned him several enemies, and in his autobiography he recalls sleeping on sandbags to avoid a grenade or bomb being tossed under his cot, as many had threatened fragging the commander."
    LOL! Seems he hasn't changed any.
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    @BenFE As I read that I was thinking this has to be an Onion piece.......but no. You're right they are related. Never heard of the "Christian Party" had you? How many splinter groups can the GOP devolve into before it disappears? We have the T, L, R, and now the C's.
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    @DARSB I watched the Mussel Shoals story last week. Funny thing, I went there in 1959 and had no inkling that this was happening. And, I bet very few today even know or remember.
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    Well, this is a bunch of crap all three of the major religions came from the same beliefs...Judaism, Islam and Christianity all worshipped the same god...and therefore still do...but they no longer believe it
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    Judge Moore is unable to interpret law. Had the Founders meant Christianity, they would have said that.
    Puritans traveled to The new world because they feared religious discrimimation from the new Church of England.
    during Henry VIII's seperation from the Catholic Church, the Anglican Church was created with Hemry at its head, instead of the pope.
    Reformists like the Calvinists, Puritans,Presbyterians were routinely brutally murdered.
    Whem Henry died and shortly after his son,Edward died, Bloody Mary became queen. England was not a safe place to live for Lutherans, or any Christian, not practicing Catholicism.
    Christians died by the droves in these purges.
    What Christians is the judge refferring to?
    Actual New Amsterdam was populated by JEWS AS WELL AS DUTCH PROTESTANTS.
    It so happens that many of the Founders were Deists and just so happened to mentioned Christianity in their journals and letters.
    No, those Letters don't indicate they favored any religion, particularly not What they saw of Christianity.
    They were almost all masons. Masons do embrace Buddha,Mohammed and even Christ as wise men.
    Since they don't believe in Salvation through Christ, but rather believe their works will testify for themselves, an path they swear to
    They could not be Christian.

    Obviously Judge Moore doesn't have a clue.
    On the end, Judge Moore is not even in line with Christianity, since Christ told his apostles who he had sent out to preach, that even though a city rejected their teaching, they should not rain fire amd brimstone on the non believers, but rather they should shake their dust from their sandals.
    Judgement would be harder on those refusing to hear their good news than it was for Sodom.
    God causes it to rain on the good and evil.

    But Christ called the pharisees snakes and vipers, you sent out your proselytes to convert new believers. And when they are converted, they are 10 x as wicked as you.are, he told them.
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    Note.....all those "religions" are christian based or christian related either specifically or more generalized.....even deism in some aspects.....

    Where are the other religions? Had the founders thought that a witch could or satanist could claim freedom of religion I think they would have narrowed the language a bit.....but then again maybe not.....

    The idea was for the government to stay out of perscuting anyone from following their conscience and how, when, and where to worship.....

    Now, though I disagree with Ray Moore.....atheists and non-christians have been twisting the first Amendment and using government to strip freedom of religion from christians in nearly every area......
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    "Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances." - First Amendment of the Constitution of the United States of America.

    If Justice Moore stopped reading the Constitution at the First Amendment, how can we trust him to properly enforce the rest?
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    This is just a backlash and the result of atheists and other non-believers violating the First Amendment and pushing and attacking christians for excercising the first amendment freedoms.....

    Perhaps a more common sense and level headed approach from both sides.....one that is line with being a mature adult rather than a two year old?
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    @CanadianIndy we see it constantly, especially during the Christmas season. Our courts get overloaded because some feel they should not be subjected to nativity scenes on public property. The people that fight against a moment of quiet meditation in school or town meetings. I was born knowing that if I didn't like the menorah, I didn't have to look at it.
    We did have a court case here not too long ago, about a privately funded Christian display in a town center. When it got to court, the judge (who obviously had some spine) threw the case out and told the plaintiff if he didn't like the Christian one, the he had the right to ask for space to build and display one that he did like. As long as it fit into the criteria, aka, not be vulgar or offensive. Plaintiff complained to the judge, but I am offended by the Christians display. Judge told him to get over himself...case closed.
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    @DickB

    The key word in your example is "privately." As in, not sanctioned or paid for by the government. Why might that be, you ask? Read the First Amendment again. The government is not to cater to a specific religion. The same reason that if for some reason there was a statue of Mohammad on /public/ property, it'd be a violation of the First. However, if it was on /private/ property, it wouldn't.
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    What a bigoted a-hole. The idiot does not understand the simple words of the first amendment. He is in the same league as the traitor to the first amendment John McCain. They both should rot in hell.
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    Religion is religion. Our founding fathers may have been Christians, but I do not believe they meant it only to apply to Christianity. Then again, this was also at the time of witch hunts. So they may have meant Christianity, but they intelligently wrote religion, not Christian. So now it's religions. That's plain and simple, but does not allow for infringing upon others and does not allow for it to cause harm to others. Many Protestants came to the new world to escape the reach of the Catholic Church. We are free to adhere to the religion of our choice as long as that religion adheres to the laws of our country. Ex. No Sharia law! A religion's law(s) should never supersede any of our laws!
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    Thomas Jefferson's library contained what is believed to be the 1st Koran in America.

    No Sharia law, No Jewish law, No Christian law.
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    Churches can enforce their rules on their members at church. Those who don't belong to that religion are free from it's controls & members have their right to with draw from it as they prefer.
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  • #216
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    Why is God not taught in law school? Because it has no business in law school. It is about learning law, not religion.
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    Ah. Really? I've not found one. I'll bet you won't show your cause and even provide one bit of evidence for your statement.
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    Ignorant. Here is another example of someone who has been brainwashed from birth and has NEVER researched his own religion, but yet even though he has never researched he will force it onto all as the absolute truth...typical. He assumes duh bybull has been on earth since the big bang.Ohhhh boy how much he does not know.

    See, people say "why do you Atheists care about religion...why are you so out there and in people’s faces?" Why? Because foolish christians/ALL religious will go and have went ape shit crazy without consequences for too long. They come up with ideas like this guy...which would be ok if he was not in a position of govt.

    Believe your silly beliefs...ok you are free to do so. But you WILL NOT mandate YOUR religion....Not in America anyway. Go to Iran if you like that kind of crap.

    “They knew that to put God in the constitution was to put man out. They knew that the recognition of a Deity would be seized upon by fanatics and zealots as a pretext for destroying the liberty of thought. They knew the terrible history of the church too well to place in her keeping or in the keeping of her God the sacred rights of man. They intended that all should have the right to worship or not to worship that our laws should make no distinction on account of creed. They intended to found and frame a government for man and for man alone. They wished to preserve the individuality of all to prevent the few from governing the many and the many from persecuting and destroying the few.”
    Ingersoll
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