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  • #18
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    everyone should have to show an id to vote period
    I must show an id to register a car, fly in a plane, open a bank account, when I run into the police, to cash a check, to purchase a gun, why not show one to vote.
    it only makes sense.
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    I agree with your concept for once. We all need identification to perform things in our lives, so why shouldn't it apply to the voting booth? However, for those lacking in identification, like my retired grandmother who quit driving and simply just gave up on renewing her identification, or the person who just doesn't have one, yet is an American citizen with the constitutional right to vote, should the requirement to get the identification for voting be as barrier free as possible? Since voting is free, should the identification required to vote be free? I think so. Charging someone for identification to vote amounts to a poll tax. So yes I agree with the concept of identification, but not with charging someone for it.
  • #82
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    I want to know when liberals are going to start raising hell about racist "check cashing suppression" or "apartment renting suppression".
  • #135
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    I agree! The article says: "No evidence of voter fraud" Oh, give me a break! I was living in Florida, in 2001, when the Miami Herald, a LEFT- OF-CENTER NEWSPAPER proclaimed the news that AT LEAST 800 INELIGIBLE VOTERS HAD CAST VOTES in the November 2000 election IN BROWARD COUNTY ALONE . I was also there when both the Miami Herald and the FT Lauderdale Sun/Sentinel announced that THEIR investigation of the votes not counted disclosed that GEORGE W. BUSH WOULD HAVE WON BY EVEN MORE VOTES HAD ALL OF THE VOTES THAT WERE DISQUALIFIED BEEN COUNTED. Capitals for emphasis. For ANY non-believers, contact either newspaper's archive and PAY THEM what they ask for a copy of the articles disclosing such. You 'FOLKERS' don't believe anything that contradicts your core beliefs, so I'm not going to spend money out of MY pocket to provide unbelievers with the results.
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    @DARSB He tried, but the funny thing is is they found if they had counted the other ballots Bush would have got more votes.
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    @BobSmith I know...but you know Progs, they don't like to let the facts get in the way of their arguments.
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    @JackinVienna Of course not, because the facts are not on their side - especially with things like voter ID and guns!
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  • #12
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    Waa mommy, waa waa waa, those people want an ID to vote, even though we have an ID for every purpose under the sun and say nothing, waaaw wah ah waa. Only Dems who want dead people an illegal votes are crying, waa waa waa
  • #162
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    We have to have ID laws...there is sufficient evidence to PROVE there has been at least SOME voter fraud and possibly MASSIVE voter fraud.
    I just don't see a reason for Dems to disagree UNLESS they want the fraudulent process.
  • #231
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    Every purpose under the sun isn't protected by the consitution. Poll taxes are unconstitutional, so unless you're willing to pay to get everyone's birth certificate who doesn't have one and reimburse travel expenses you are paying to vote, which is not constitutional. Never mind that you'd also have to raise taxes in order to pay for the overhead, unless of course you're ok w/ just putting this on the national credit card.
  • #232
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    @Cookie777 There's no evidence of 'massive' voter fraud. There's stark few cases of individual voter fraud and ZERO evidence of an election swaying due to voter fraud. Why create expensive solutions to problems that don't exist?
  • #281
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    @AceLuby Come on! How many people do you REALLY think don't have their birth certificate, who ALSO want to vote? Using this as the reason to not have to have an ID to vote is a tired excuse.
  • #21
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    Voter ID laws must be used to keep democrats on the level. What is an insult that people on welfare don't have a problem showing an ID to get benefits, gun owners don't have a problem showing an ID to buy a gun, and there are many other instances where ID requirements are necessary to obtain certain necessities, so what is the big problem? What are the democrats afraid of? People like Pelosi would probably lose an election if ID requirements were mandated, because only the criminally insane would vote for her. To me the democrats would lose total control of a lot of states.
  • #94
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    I'll ask the same of you. Do you have a problem having an I.D. for all of these things you mention?

    I have a problem with it. I think people wanting I.D.'s for everything are liberty hating scum.
  • #109
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    @stepped_in_it No. I haven't had a ticket for hmmm, 14 years. What happened is these liberty hating scum parading around as if they give a shit about what the constitution says about having to buy things to vote. Arkansas and Wisconsin just ruled this liberty hating scum wanting ID's to vote is unconstitutionally out of line, this is how a vast majority of Americans feel, but I still see liberty hating scum pushing for ID's for everything under the sun.
  • #111
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    @Chomsky0 So, you don't think you should have a license to drive?
    You don't think it should be shown to an LEO upon request?
    You don't believe an ID should be shown to get certain benefits?
    You don't believe ID's should be required to enter a "R" or "XXX" rated movie?
    You don't believe an ID should be shown for buying alcohol/cigarettes etc?
    Cashing checks? Buying a vehicle? Renting a room?
    All rightie then.......
  • #114
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    Like a poster said in the other post, "Purchasing smokes is not a right of citizenship, and in no way prohibits you from taking part in civic activities. The two are not even close."

    If you want an ID for everything including your police state check points, that is up to you. Most Americans are disgusted by these things. The 24th amendment has spoken on the topic of poll taxes, and Arkansas and Wisconsin is the latest states to abide.
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    You have to have an ID to get into an "R" movie, but alcohol and cigarettes, buy a gun, to get in a plane, to get food stamps, welfare, drivers license, state ID, open a bank account, get a job, etc. I could go on and on. The left doesn't want anyone to prove who they are because then they would not get all the extra votes, having more people vote than are in their district, have died, moved, etc. You need an ID for almost everything. Everyone HAS TO HAVE A SOCIAL SECURITY NUMBER or EIN, and the government issues those to you. If they were given free to everyone, democrats would still complain and say it's suppression. Smh.
  • #77
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    I've never had to show my id to get into a movie, do they actually do that?

    but you should have an id to vote, I've always thought the "It's too hard for some people to get an id" excuse pure bs...
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    @thhutton Yeah they do ask kids for IDs at movie theaters....they usually take school IDs with a photo, though.
  • #217
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    @thhutton Depends on how old you look. For the younger crowd, they have to prove that they are old enough to see certain pictures. For people like me, the grey hair is all I need.
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    None of those things are protected by the constitution. Funny how you want to charge people to vote despite it explicity being forbidden.
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    Funnier still....you MUST have a photo ID and SS Number to finalize your medical insurance, CHIP or Medicaid under the ACA...whether or not you are paying or getting subsidized.

    "What do I need to bring with me when I apply for Medicaid or CHIP?

    Each state is different, but in general you should bring…

    your birth certificate or U.S. passport.

    photo ID (driver’s license, state ID card, school ID card, military ID card).

    something that proves you live at your address – like a water, power, or gas bill, or a copy of your lease with your name on it.

    something that shows your Social Security Number (SSN).

    something that shows how much money you make (a paycheck; an income tax return; or letters from Social Security, Supplemental Security Income (SSI), and/or the VA)."

    Page 11

    http://www.iom.edu/~/media/Files/Activity%20F...

    The idiocy of the Voter ID argument is astounding, disturbing and outrageous.
  • #84
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    @AntiPorcheria Now, more and more states are requiring a photo ID to vote. If you cannot afford one you will be given one free. But, most folks just show their drivers license. And, if you have had a name change or an address change but did not change it on your drivers license, you are in violation of another law that says you must do so.
    For all who complain about how hard and unreasonable it is to get a state issued photo ID you should get no government benefit of any kind unless you have one.
    Personally I don't give a rat's pahtoot who you are or where you live....unless you are going to vote on an issue that affects me. I want to know that you can legally vote...and vote only once at only one place. A valid state issued photo ID will help assure us of that.
    If you have nothing to hide, what's the big deal?
  • #90
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    @AntiPorchereia Only astounding for those who want things fair and honest, from both parties, it's those already elected who want to stay elected, by any means, any voting block, who cry like a baby.
  • #95
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    There are millions of American fed up with showing an ID for everything they do. This is police state tactics and thought up by liberty hating scum.
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    @seedtick Yeah, like Arkansas and Wisconsin are the latest states to say it is unconstitutional. People who want an ID for everything are liberty hating scum.
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  • #27
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    I disagree again, with the argument that there is no proof of voter fraud.
    Everyone one needs an I.D.. There's no harm in proving who you are when you vote.
  • #236
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    No harm, except that it's expressly forbidden to charge people to vote. So unless you want to make birth certificates, ID's, and reimburse all travel to get this ID, you're charging them to vote.
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    There can be little doubt that integrity at the ballot box is much more important than any ill conceived notion of voter inconvieniece ........simply put if it is important to you then getting that I'd will be important enough for you to go get it.......Americans who want an honest process WILL be in favor of voter ID .......anyone who disagrees is merely advocating that cheating is ok, and we all know the democrats are all in favor of cheating, as they have no moral compass......just the "end justifies the means" mentality.....time for honest elections, and a restoration of 1man equals 1vote Time to stand up for what is right in this country.....tell your elected officials that you demand voter I D laws!
  • #238
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    It's not 'inconvenience', it's forcing people to buy something to vote, whether it be an ID, a birth certificate, or gas to get the ID. Forcing people to buy something to vote is expressly forbidden by the constitution.
  • #258
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    Wrong ace......every state that implements voter I'd offers it for free.......and you twisted libs seemed to have no problem forcing innocent Americans to buy the vile Obamacare tyranny.
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    @AceLuby
    "Forcing people to buy something to vote is expressly forbidden by the constitution"

    Which part of the constitution are you referring to? I've read it and can't seem to find those words.
  • #22
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    It boils down to choice which is the corner stone of American values.

    So you want to vote. Then you have the right to choose or not to choose to make sure you meet the requirements.

    Now on the flip side if the government is going to require identification than it is prudent that it be easy to acquire if an America citizen wishes to vote and the citizen has fair amount of time to acquire said identification.
  • #227
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    The only requirement to vote is being a citizen. I pledge that is correct and true when I register to vote, under penalty of law. Where are all the people being arrested for perjury in the U.S.? Have you heard of any? I have I.D. but some don't. For me, my word is enough, so is anyone else's . Sure aren't many arrests considering how much the right whines about fraud.
  • #240
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    'Time' isn't the issue. Forcing people to buy an ID, birth certificate, or gas to get one is unconstitutional. Why are so many people against the constitution when it comes to this issue? Can't read past the 2nd amendment?
  • #246
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    Which means birth certificates need to be made free and available. And all travel expenses to get either needs to be reimbursed. Only then is the ID 'free'.
  • #301
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    @AceLuby It doesn't matter if it is free or not. the burden of proof of eligibility is no the voter. If the voter wants to vote, they will provide the required proof of eligibility.
  • #34
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    In Missouri if you need an ID you can go to the DMV and request a non-driving license ID - can have one in minutes!
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    @Unfit2serve Needed a second "picture" ID to enter a military reservation - went to DMV and in less than 8 minutes had non-driving ID.
  • #243
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    For a charge. And you need a birth certificate, again, for a cost. And you need to travel to the DMV, which costs money. It's a poll tax, pure and simple.
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    @AceLuby

    I've gotten copies of my birth certificate on several occasions and was not charged for them, not even the return postage.
  • #51
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    The arguments against Voter Identification are completely without merit. All voters should have to produce government issuing identification when voting in all elections. Democrats are against voter identification because it makes it much easier to prosecute those who commit fraud by voting illegally.
  • #244
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    No, they are against it because it's not constitutional, unless you just want to give your banking info and we'll just charge you for everyone's ID, birth certificates, and travel expenses.
  • #249
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    @AceLuby The Supreme Court has held that requesting a voters identification is not against the constitution and is perfectly acceptable.
  • #300
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    @AceLuby

    "Travel Expenses"? If they can travel to the polls, then they can travel to get the proper ID. Burden of proof of eligibility is on the voter, not the state.
  • #33
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    Virtually every problem mentioned is easily solved. The only difficult ones are those who cannot prove citizenship. Even most of those are easily solved. Of the few remaining the issue becomes why can't they prove citizenship. If there is a valid reason they can be issued a voter ID. I doubt if more than a few hundred people at most would still be registered.
    As to the question of voter fraud I do not think there is an honest question as to whether or not it is real. One person even bragged about voting in two different places on an election.

    Here is one case: http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Government/2014/...
    But there was no problem because she voted for a democrat.
  • #87
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    Every immigrant I ever met proudly displayed his/her immigration status documents. Don't tell me you "lost them" because that won't fly with me unless you can prove that you have reported it and applied for new ones.
    But, only a naturalized citizen or a natural born citizen are eligible to vote in any national election or state election. Some municipalities are allowing those with "legal status" to vote in local elections, but that is total BS.
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    " Some among us lack ID cards or meaningful access to them". BS.

    "And perhaps even more to the point, there is really no evidence of voter fraud"

    There is no evidence because we don't have a means of finding it. Every other type of fraud that can be checked for is happening, but the one kind we have no real means of checking for is to be assumed non-existent?
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    Based on this argument, I would agree IF I didn't have to have ID when purchasing cigarettes (and e-cigs), alcohol, going to a rated R movie, purchasing a home or taking a job.
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    Purchasing smokes is not a right of citizenship, and in no way prohibits you from taking part in civic activities. The two are not even close
  • #38
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    @Poltal actually, all the things I listed is a restriction of rights, including smoking. None of which are civic rights.

    Driving is a privilege, which is why I didn't list it.

    Smoking is not a privilege, nor is buying a house, going to a movie or taking a job.

    Truth be told, I have a right to spend my money the way I want. Any restriction of that is a restriction of my rights, as they pertain to Life, Liberty and the Pursuit of Happiness.

    Not to mention, the number of people who smoke, as kids, is dropping and there is no proof that removing the restriction would increase young smokers, any more than the claim is there is no proof of voter fraud.
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    @RedFloppyShoes You clearly dont know US law, or the constitution very well if you think any restriction on spending money is a restriction on rights. the USSC has rules on that many times over that laws can limit your opportunities to spend money.

    There is little proof at all of voter fraud, and when it does occur its a very rare thing. It is statistically not even a matter to consider!

    The simple fact is conservatives will do any and every thing possible to discourage voting!
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  • #86
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    Total unadulterated liberal BS. No one can honestly say that they can not get ID. It is a very simple process. For those that cry about the elderly, or the infirm, or those in rural areas, that is all BS. There are groups that volunteer to transport anyone that can not do it themselves to a location to get their ID. There is no excuse, and just for the record, one case of voter fraud is to many.
  • #247
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    It's not about getting an ID, it's about getting one w/out paying any money, otherwise it's unconsitutional. So much contempt for the constitution here...
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    @AceLuby
    There is no charge for voter ID in Texas. If you want a Drivers license then you pay but if you only want a voter ID there is no charge.
    You are right about one thing though and that is that all the liberals here have excessive contempt for the constitution.
  • #69
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    More leftist tripe. If you are to lazy, yes lazy, to get ID, then you're to lazy to vote. If the liberals had their way, all you'd need is access to a computer. If you didn't have one, they'll drive to your house and let you vote on a Democratic Party supplied computer. If your blind, they'll even put your finger on the "right" candidate. If you don't know any of the candidates names, they'll even tell you who to vote for. Wow, aren't the liberals helpful?
  • #242
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    Has nothing to do with laziness and everything to do with it being unconstitutional to force people to buy an ID, birth certficate, or travel expenses in order to vote. Why do you guys have so much contempt for the constitution?
  • #255
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    Yep....when I worked as a poll watcher in 2008 the people working the polls stood right there with the voter and told them to just hit that Democrat Straight Party vote. See how easy? When I objected, I was told that NO ONE IS COMING INTO THEIR POLLING PLACE AND TELLING THEM WHAT TO DO.
    Also, many "new" voters came in with slips of paper in their hands that indicated their "home address", in case someone asked where they lived. To avoid confusion at each polling place that they were transported to, they were given slips that had their address on it.
  • #299
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    @AceLuby

    There is nothing in the constitution that states that someone does not have to prove who they are and not have to prove they are eligible to vote, in order to vote.

    If you want to vote, the burden of proof is on you to demonstrate that you are eligible to vote. Period. You whine about the constitution, but it is the constitution that states only citizens can vote. You want to vote? then prove that you are a citizen, or go away.
  • #36
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    What a garbage piece! How hard can it be? Get an ID or a drivers license and register to vote like every other normal member of society. You need a license to drive or an ID atleast to apply for a job, and open a bank account to cash your check or even recieve welfare. I could care less who you vote for but get your credentials!
  • #248
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    Sure, just give us your bank account number and you can pay for all of it. Otherwise it's unconstitutional.
  • #35
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    I don't really have an issue with voter ID's. When we go to the polls here you need to bring your passport or ID-card with you and that has been the case since... forever ?
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