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    The reason that Bill Clinton got away with his lies was simply that democrats don't care about such lies unless they involve a republican. A boss in the corporate world may get away with bedding an intern but a government official or military leader who violates the superior to subordinate relationship rules is typically fired or removed from his or her position of trust. My problem with Hillary is that Bill was involved in a number of such relationships and Hillary either covered up his involvements or actively went after the women he was involved with solely to protect his political position. I'm not ready for a President who would resort to doing those kind of things because I could never trust her.
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    Reagan deliberately broke the law by supplying arms to the Contras, and people actually died as a result. Remember his impeachment?
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    Good article and good comment!

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    @jdl51 Clinton was nothing more than a juicy gossip story that the opposition are up with a fork and spoon.

    Iran Contra was a much more complicated scenario than you are attempting to apply to it, and had much more depth than simply being "illegal."
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    @Firestorm What is that supposed to mean? The law was pretty clear in the Iran Contra case. The law breaking was pretty clear as well, not to mention the fact that Reagan outright lied to the American people saying they weren't trading arms for hostages.
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    @Firestorm Complicated sure....in a way....but really this simple when you break it down. The Reagan Administration sold Arms to Iran (which was illegal) and diverted the profits from those sales to fund the Contras, after the Boland amendment had made any further funding of that organization illegal. THOSE ARE THE FACTS. They are not in dispute. What is in dispute is if Reagan knew about before hand or not.

    The way I look at it he was a horrible president either way. Here is why.

    He said 40 some odd times when asked about it at hearings that he "could not recall"......now there are only two options. He was either lying or he was telling the truth. Either one could be true but there is no third option.

    If he was lying that is, no doubt way worse then lying about a blow job. Therefore he was a bad president. On the other hand, it is entirely likely that he was telling the truth. If that is the case either his alzhiemers was already in full swing (scary thought) or he was just incompetent and his administration was out of control doing serious things without his permission or knowledge. And that would also make him a bad president.

    No way around it.
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    He lied and his approval ratings went up. Shocker from a godless country. His wife also lied when she went on Oprah and said if it were true, she'd leave him. Needless to say, she didn't. I'm all for staying together and working it out, but she lied. She's a proven and known liar and unethical. That dates back to Watergate.
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    @nodramame Awwww sorry reagan is held in such high esteem by democrats and republicans.... Something your hero Obama will never have

    Reagan didn't break the law or violate the Boland Amendment.
    Israel sold spare parts to Iran for the American weapons the Iranians were equipped with, part of the money was then given to the contra rebels fighting the communist governments in central America. The Boland amendment forbid direct American assistance to the contras. This wasn't direct assistance.

    Its amazing how much misinformation is still being spread about that
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    @nodramame
    Reagan did nothing wrong.
    As for North, he was indicted tried and convicted of three counts:: 1. accepting an illegal gratuity, 2. aiding and abetting in the obstruction of a congressional inquiry, and 3. destruction of documents. Those latter two can't give much comfort to the Obama administration now can they?
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    I had a friend on here that would have called you a christian taliban, I'm starting to wonder if he was right...
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    @drpeeper You are right, it is amazing how much misinformation is still being spread. That's the only way you can keep Reagan's rep clean.
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    You have got to be kidding me !!
    How in the hell did Reagan become the shiny object of distraction in this thread ?

    Lewinsky to Clinton is identical in nature to Obama and Benghazi.

    Neither scandal is about the actual event. It was about the lie (s) perpetuated afterwards.

    Lies that were so obvious given the evidence contrary to the lie. Benghazi isn't comparable to Bush's WMD or Reagan's Iran Contra where guilt is gray at best, never proven and based upon presidential involvement within the actual event.

    Obama's Benghazi scandal has nothing and I mean nothing to do with Benghazi the event. It's the lie told the day after CIA changed intel assessment based on ground sources and security camera footage.
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    Except for the very glaring fact that nobody lied about Benghazi... yeah, except for that they were almost identical!
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    @AceLuby

    It's your fairytale world Ace, who am I to tell you there is no yellow brick road or that the narrative never changed from the white house after intel contradicted and proved narrative wrong. White House the perpetuated a lie, a lie you deny and guess what ?

    I'm not about to convince you otherwise, don't have to, don't care too because you're beyond reason.

    I'll just sit back, have a cold coke and smile while Trey Gowdy starts to work on the truth.

    There's a new sheriff come to town.p)
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    @daclark1911 trey gowdy won't find out anything other than what's already known. the benghazi affair was a cia operation to remove a national threat.
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    Wrong! The 'Scandal' WAS about Bill Clinton having an afair with Lewinsky. The subsquent impeachment and trial was for the crime of perjury, which falls under the "high crimes and misdemeanors' clause dealing with impeachment.

    Let's not fudge history with inaccuracies like this. Obviously, this was written by a Hillary supporter who is trying to limit the damage of Lewinsky's book bringing this up.
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    This whole article in an inaccuracy. This was all due to the failed witch hunt called 'whitewater'. They spent millions of dollars and years of time investigating and the only thing they got was him lying when they asked him about Lewinsky, despite the fact that she had absolutely nothing to do with it. They've been trying to do the same to Obama w/ all these 'scandals', hoping that one of them actually will turn into one. Meanwhile we had actual scandals by Republicans, yet not a single investigation. Heck, the worst disaster of our time has all of the documentation classified. Do you think Obama would have gotten away w/ classifying all of Benghazi? Hell no, but Bush can for 9/11. Because when you can't beat them with votes, you beat them by being sleazy.
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    I never did understand why Republicans are so obsessed with what happens in people's bedrooms. Yeah, he screwed a girl. And he was married. I fail to see what the big deal is, there. Lying in court is another matter. It's an actual issue that matters to the rest of the country. Who or where the president puts his dick, is not (unless he raped her, which is a whole other issue).

    We can criticize him for infidelity, but I don't doubt for a moment that Hilary knew what was going on.
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    tell me, please, why is it anyone else's business who bill clinton had sex with, or who begged him to allow her to give him head? clinton was the victim on that case anyway.

    you have to remember that bill clinton was voted the sexiest man alive for three straight years and almost every woman in the u.s. came unstuck... not because he had some form of sex with someone, but that it wasn't with them. even my ex wife... a methodist pastor asked where the line formed to do the same.
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    the author forgot to include Hillary Clinton's participation in the lies and attempts to coverup, as well as the character assassination of Jones and Lewinsky, and attempts to blame the whole self-inflicted wound on a "right wing conspiracy." right conspiracy, wrong conspirators. this woman should not be President of the United States. we do not need another dishonest, corrupt, power-hungry, career politician in the White House, male or female, GOP or Dem at all!! the last 3 Presidents should have shown us this clearly. we need a better answer.
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    Who didnt know this story would come back? Conservatives are cowardly by nature, but they just shake in fear at the thought of running against hillary!

    This was as predictable as it is unintelligent!
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    Are you and others aware that Hillary Clinton was on the Watergate Committee and was thrown off the committee by her own Democrats because of her constant LYING and UNETHICAL behavior ?
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    @Poltal Actually, I think that lying Democrat is very beatable. And that is the name of the game.

    Please, don't throw me into that Hillary Briar patch.
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    Don't forget that Hillary was fired from her first government job for being a liar. She's continued the trend ever since, but the loyal Democrats are always sure to pop up and say that at this point it doesn't make a difference, aren't they?
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    It's like this is news or something. If lying about a BJ is the worst a politician lies about, I'd consider him/her a keeper.
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    @AceLuby You don't get it. Perjury is a crime. Lying to the people a la Hillary and ObaMA is not perjury, but a serious character flaw disqualifying the vile politicians from an honest voter's consideration.
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    @AceLuby That's because you endorse and support perjury and the sexual harassment of women. Aren't Democrats supposed to be opposed to those things ? Or only when it suits their political purposes ?
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    @harrycat
    Perjury only exists upon it being found by a trier of fact such as a judge or jury. No such ever happened with Bill Clinton.
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    This was my argument the entire time this was going on. Clinton and his people played the diversion game well. They kept pushing the whole it is between him and his wife thing when it was not about that at all.
    My take on it was that first he disrespected the office of President by doing it in the oval office. Then he commited lied under oath to Congress as well as in court so that was a felony.
    This entire mess would have spelled the end of any Republican in office but because he was a Democrat he was let off the hook.
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    It didn't spell the end of the Republicans in office when their lies took us to war.
    They aren't the victims of democrat witch-hunts.
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    I know remember the trials for Reagan & Bush for the lies they told? Those were such witch-hunts.
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    @CaptainBanana

    As if lying Dmeocrats haven't taken us to war? Can you say FDR, Truman, Johnson and Obama?
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    Yeah, FDR and Truman totally lied about Pearl Harbor.....
    Johnson totally started vietnam years before he was in office.

    Got to admit I'm stumped what war you think Obama has taken us to. I can name two he's pulled us out of and several he hasn't entered....Iraq, Syria, Afghanistan, Crimea, Egypt, Libya......

    You seem to be unable to differentiate between a president who tells a wholly unrelated lie and happens to be in office during war and a president that tells lies for the express purpose of starting war.
    You know, exactly what I said in my previous statement.
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    @CaptainBanana
    And what lies woul those be? You mean the lies that we got from the French intelligence service, or maybe from the British Intelligence service?
    The sources were more than just Bush, lets see, CIA, MI5, a few others to include the Saudis, the Qataris, and others from that region.
    And what witch hunts might you be talking about? Couldn't be the ones from purjury by Clinton, or cover ups by obama, and Ms. Clinton, the failure to prosecute based on race by Holder, etc. etc. etc.
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    Clinton proves that it is best to follow the law, just as he did, and the rest will take care of itself. But if he had broken the law he definitely would have been taken down. GOP had best lawyers money can buy.
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    Clinton was convicted of perjury. That's the crime. He will go down in history as a disgraced, impeached President. He wasn't convicted in the Senate due to politics, but he was definitely impeached (and guilty).

    What he did in the oval office was wrong and any public official, other than the President, would have resigned when caught or been fired for cause. In private industry, the offender would have been fired, as well. Having sex with an intern is immoral and grounds for termination for any position (except, obviously, for a President).

    That a liberal or a feminist would try to justify this is hypocrisy at it's highest. If Clinton wasn't a Democratic darling, he Democrats and feminists would all have been screaming for his resignation or being found guilty by the Senate. If you don't agree, you're being hypocritical, as well. Think about it before you shoot off a response. If the President of Walmart was found to be having an affair with a young unpaid intern in his office, wouldn't you be calling for his resignation or termination?
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    @BakersfieldBob
    Clinton was not convicted of any crime, ever. I see the GOP did a good job on you. But you are not alone. There are many who think the same way.
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    @BakersfieldBob actually, no... mr clinton is already marked down in history as being the second best president since fdr... who was the best in history.
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    Clinton admitted he was a perjurer, i.e. a criminal, and voluntarily surrendered his license to practice law. He's a disbarred attorney. Why do you not mention that ?
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    @FaFoxy so, tell me... why do you even care? it doesn't matter if he's been disbarred... his place in history is secured. get over it.(or can't you stand the fact that a moderate was that good?)
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    it was never about his adulterous actions it was about the president of the US being a liar.
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    @BakersfieldBob Actually, he was acquitted of all charges. But who needs silly things like facts?
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    If that's what it was about, why no trial for Reagan or Bush, who both lied to the American people on multiple occasions? Honesty and integrity is only expected out of Democrats or something?
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    @AceLuby Clinton lied under oath to a court of law to cover up an illegal act. That is a crime.
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    The clintons are about as stupid as they can get.............they lye, cheat, and steal peoples life. the citizens are also cheated as both the clintons have destroyed this country from no. to so. east to west. period............. just like the thugs sitting in our w. house at this time.............when will this u.s.a. get the Message ....... they lye ,they cheat, and most all steal from the Americans. My advice is peoples of America WAKE UP....................mjc
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    Thanks for this clear article. I had lived through that time but had since forgotten the details. I do remember the democrats at the time deriding anyone for going along with the impeachment, saying it was just about sex (even though Clinton insisted that he didn't have sex because it was "oral"). I remember being outraged that he, as the upholder of law in our country, could lie to a court and get away with it. And his redefining of sex was absurd. That democrats went along with all this was also absurd (I was a democrat at the time, too!).

    I disagree with the lifting up of Weiner (=D), however, as his later actions show that he only backed down for selfish reasons, and as for Clinton, he seems to have changed for the better. I don't know for sure, but yeah, his past certainly shows that when things didn't go his way he'd lie and deceive about just about anything.
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    I think she is as phony as that turd Billy, God help this country if she becomes president. It's going to take a strong president in office to move this country toward recovery from the bonehead we have destroying it currently, she isn't it. If Benghazi isn't enough of a justification not to elect her than take in consideration the White Water scandal in which she was a major player, she's a crook just like Bah Bah!
  • #141
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    Because to Clinton, a BJ is not a sexual relationship. Most consider a sexual relationship as having SEX.
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    the big question was, and remains, is getting offered a bj and accepting it really having sex? i agree with him.

    not only that, but who cares?
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    Monica brought it up again. She said the Clinton years left a bad taste in her mouth. Hillary was just endorsed by Virginia's Democrat.
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    Clinton exposed the presidency to possible blackmail. That's the most serious matter, stemming from his "private matter" while in the White House.
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    This article is correct, in so far as the Clinton sex scandal wasn't about sex. It was about the conservative right finding nothing better to to crucify him with, other than a part of his personal life. ANY man who is in that situation would lie, regardless of their business or political reliability. Of all the Presidents from George Washington to Bill Clinton, Only Carter went through their terms without having a documented affair while in the Office. It wasn't about the sex, it was about the conservative right not having anything else to blame on him.
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