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    I believe in mandatory drug rehab in a prison-like setting for anyone who commits a drug related crime. None of this Lindsay Lohan BS where if you don't like your swanky rehab center you leave after a week.
    And, I don't consider Marijuana a drug, it an herb. Mon!
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    The whole point of judges...is to take into account extenuating circumstances...and minimum sentences don't allow them to do this...so, in a sense it's not allowing judges to do the job they were hired to do....btw...why do they assume Martin Sheen was reviving his President Josiah Bartlet role?...it' just seem like he was being himself to me....he has always been active in political causes
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    "No one can in advance decide a reasonable sentence without knowing what the circumstances were."

    What more can I say....

    Okay, I can say that the truth of that statement never slowed down a congressman trying to look tough on crime.
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    for-profit prison companies also lobby for mandatory minimum sentences, thereby guaranteeing longer incarceration times for lesser crimes and greater profits for the companies.
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    galt45 -- I am FOR mandatory minimum sentences. The reason they went to mandatory minimums is that the judges were giving the drug dealing, gang members little to no time, and any way DEALING drugs of any quantity is a VIOLENT crime, and causes more violent crimes in most cases. Those who are involved in drug dealing most of the time are gangmembers, who will kill anyone who gets in their way, or their bosses will kill them if they start skimming for themselves.

    The reason I say dealing drugs IS a VIOLENT crime, is that it causes people to become hooked on their poison, and then the users have to steel or rob to get the money to buy more. Why do you think that the Drug Cartels in Mexico fight so hard to hold onto their "territories". They are the richest people in Mexico, and do not hesitate to kill police or army types or prosecutors who are attempting to shut them down. Gangs in this country do the exact same thing. And there are always those gang murders (Chicago is a PRIME example, and Detroit) that are almost always wrapped up in drugs.

    I suppose for the VAST minority of those in prison over drugs, there might be a very few are there for using drugs, and not for selling drugs.(I am not sure.) But I do not feel a bit bad for those who are in prison for Dealing drugs, which IMHO, is a violent crime, regardless of what the drug is. What is the percentage (I truly do not know) that are there for marijuana? The law is the law, and the people who use drugs, but especially deal drugs know what the required sentences are before they start, or at least they should make sure they are, otherwise it is their stupidity that put them there. And as my boss tells me sometimes, "I can fix a lot of things, but I can't fix stupidity."
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    @David_Waldrop
    I agree, and that is why I favor the legalization of all drugs, because of the terrible crime problem keeping them illegal causes.
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    @David_Waldrop
    there is no black and white on these issues -- I agree that most drug dealers have a devastating impact on the community at large. however, I have teenaged nephews who buy the occasional pill for their mates at rave parties, they are effectively 'dealing', even if only at the bottom level and never for commercial gain. They are nothing like the gangs killing, pimping and moving kilograms of drug each day to pay for their Bentleys and Ferraris -- of course one day they might all end up in the same cellblock in 'Criminal School'.
    More than that, don't be naive enough to think all drugs are equal -- Heroin, Ice, GHB, Bath Salts are nowhere near the same as Nicotine or Marijuana.
    I'm sure you could fit all the Marijuana users in US, who have committed violent crimes to get their next hit, into a single phone box.
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    @kriswa I am sorry about your nephews. They shold not be buying drugs at any time any where. I think the amount of drugs they are dealing (weight) should make a difference in the amount of time the mandatory time should be, however, what Martin Sheen is proposing is going back to where the same judges that were giving probation for heavy weight dealers would have the final word on them. I just do not think that is reasonable.

    I think, IMHO, that you are naive if you really think that Marijuana users do not rob and steal in order to get money for their next hit. Look it up.

    I do not think that all drugs are equal. If it were up to me, we would ban Nicotine and Alcohol both. But, for now they are legal. But Marijuana is a gateway drug to harder drugs, Heroin, Ice, GHB, Cocaine, and other hard drugs. If parents are not willing to teach via example, AND by discipline in the home, then we will continue to see a generation that, while it is illegal, will continue to be willing to deal drugs, use drugs, and abandon God (which IMHO) is mostly the parents fault because THEY have abandoned God. If you were to check the background of most drug dealers parents, I will guarantee you that they are a part of the minority of people who have abandoned God, but God does promise us that if we Repent, and turn from our wicked ways, He will hear from Heaven, and will forgive our Sins, and will heal our Land.
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    I am also against drug use being a crime, prostitution being a crime, etc. All things that are categorized as victimless crimes should be decriminalized.
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    @fraps my guess you really no nothing about how drugs get to the streets. first lets start with the drug cartel and the deaths they cause... enough said.
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    @fraps I seen first hand at what heroin can do. my stepbrothers girlfriened was murdered for a hit, she didnt even have anything on her, according to the killer. yep a victimless crime unless youre the victim. even with cannibis being legal people are still dying over it. smuggling, eating it, stealing it and blowing up their homes and selfs trying to remove the THC.. stupid is as stupid do. no crime commited... now cops cant go after certain things because the laws have tied their hands as blowing yourself up by extracting THC..
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    Please tell us what Reagan would actually do that would "kick Putin's a$$". I can't wait to hear this one. Please---go ahead. What would Reagan do?? We sit at your feet and wait with anticipation.(-:
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    @Clara007
    Lol. He would scare the bejebus out of Putin.
    Ghost have supernatural powers. He could do anything with Putin he wanted. He would torture Putin's dreams with old western movies and every night tell him "Mr. Putin, tear down this Ukrainian wall".

    You should not sit at my feet cause I just put 50 miles on the bike in this heat. If I take these shoes off, you will get something you never anticipated.
    Give me about half an hour and then you can sit and my feet and I will anoint thee with much humor.
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    I believe we should try rehab first, if that doesn't work then prison. As for dealers who deal more then pot murder charges should be appropriate because they supply the crap that kills and causes people to kill.
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    Arumizy -- Almost totally agree with you. And, I do not think you will find pot users in prison very often. They are guilty of something that enhanced the charge if they are. I believe, as recent studies show, that pot causes long term brain damage, which makes the people less likely to be able to support themselves, and therefore more likely to be a government sponsorship case, so therefore, I think ANY drug dealer should be charged with the worst crime that can me sustained, and have MUCH harsher sentencing.
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    If simply for personal possession and nobody appears endangering others at that moment.
    But, we should not enable creating a whole new legalized stoner/druggie industry like Colorado and other places, ostensibly for tax revenues. That would be a false economy.
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    This is a bit off topic here, but what if the judge is on the weed. Should he be allowed judge these cases? Should a gay judge decide the merits for gay marriage.
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    waste of our money to put them in a cell and feed them, why not put them to work cleaning up litter, painting over graffiti, and even pulling weeds around the city to do some good to pay back for their crime.
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    They try that here. They knock a day off off of sentencing for everyday they work.( not counting the work release program)
    Very few participate. It too damn hot or cold, they say. Better to stay in climate control and watch Jerry and Maury.
    Plus that would prolly violate there civil rights forcing them to work. Lol!
    ACLU would come running.
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    that should be the case for all the states, but here in california they put you in jail for looking at them it seems. I would like to see work programs and training for all offenders except hard core crime, to learn to do something other than violence, rape and theft.
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    that should be the case for all the states, but here in california they put you in jail for looking at them it seems. I would like to see work programs and training for all offenders except hard core crime, to learn to do something other than violence, rape and theft. and they should NOT have a choice, they a f/kn prisoners! they do NOT have ANY rights! add time on to the ones who don't comply. ACLU = another coon lazy underachiever.
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    Mandatory sentencing is Zero tolerance's kissing cousin, and anybody who reads my posts know where I stand on zero tolerance policies.

    However, I do understand why mandatory minimum sentences were enacted. It sprung from the public outrage of lenient sentences that boneheaded judges were meting out.
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    Sen. Rand Paul (R-KY), described mandatory minimum sentences as a “major culprit in our unbalanced and often unjust drug laws.”
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    I down arrowed you even though I totally agree with your second paragraphs. I think the judges who are now "crying" as someone said, are probably the type who sentenced the teacher (I think in Michigan) who continually raped a 13 - 14 year old girl for 2 years, and threatened to kill her if she told, to 90 days in jail, not even in prison, saying that the girl was old enough to have been somewhat culpable. BS!!
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    I agree that each case should be decided on an individual basis. Unfortunately minimum sentencing laws came along as a result of citizens outrage at sentences imposed by judges who let criminals go for crimes without appropriate sentences. Getting rid of us judges sound good but the system is so political that is often hard or impossible to do.
  • #116
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    Most of us already realize the folly of this. But repeat offenders need to be treated as criminals by society. I believe that drug dealers should have tattoos on their foreheads so we know who we should avoid.
  • #100
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    Crimes and criminals are so diverse that a general minimum sentence is unwise. I can imagine cases where the Court needs to make clear that the act is a crime but the culperate is partly excused. Lawmakers should trust the Courts that they will sentence appropriately, taking into account all the casuistic details that lawmakers can never foresee.
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