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  • #3
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    I'm all for buying American whenever possible. However the congressman shows his ignorance of the pipeline industry with this. I'm not sure the U.S. has the capacity to produce all the pipe needed for a project of this size. (At least not in a timely manner.) When buying pipe for a large project it will come from many different countries. It comes down to who's got what's needed when it's needed.
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    Absolutely agree. "Whenever possible" and at reasonable quantities.
    You can't out source and gut an industry and then expect them to then fill your demands. This MN rep. appears to be living somewhere in the past with the steel unions money lining his pockets.......
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    Of course the U.S. has the capacity. Did you forget our rise to the call in WW II?
    The U.S. is not dependent on other nations. We use them because they are cheap.
    We can make our own stuff. And, a law like this is something our lagging steel
    industry needs.
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    @freelancehobo

    34 years in the pipeline business (mostly in measurement but with some crossover into construction) tells me that when pipe is procured for a large project, it often comes from a number of countries. It all depends on who has the capacity when the product is needed. Right now there is a boom in the pipeline industry. I was talking to a manufacturer just yesterday who said this is the busiest he's been in 15 years. They will be going to three shifts soon.
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    @freelancehobo We're a long way from WWII. The fact is, the U.S. IS dependent on other nations. Many industries simply no longer have the tools and equipment necessary to do the jobs once done here at home. We've not only allowed our government to block off the resources, but industry has either scrapped, or shipped off to foreign nations, the machinery to do many heavy manufacturing jobs. Industries aren't going to invest in increasing manufacturing capacity for few and far between jobs while government fights over whether or not the job is even going to go forward. That would be ridiculous...and guarantee that even more industries simply leave our shores for good.
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    @Thunderchicken
    There are plenty of workers available for a third shift. With this law there could
    be more companies going to third shifts. That oil is going for export anyways.
    We should get something more out of the pipe line than a big oily scare
    down the middle of the country.
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    This global economy crap has all but destroyed the nations ability to produce our own products. Hell, we can't even find an affordable pair of American made underwear.

    The only industry that is still thriving and growing is the legal industry.
  • #182
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    @Cincinnatus I still don't understand how Canadian oil, owned by Canadian companies, pumping their stuff to private US refineries in LA, so it can easily be shipped and available to the global market is somehow 'good' for Americans. Will more oil be produced? Nope. Will it be available only to the US? Nope. Will it impact price? Nope. Will we have any long term jobs? Nope. So we're using taxpayer funds to help private and foreign companies make more profit, and yet in the very next breath will say the govt shouldn't pick winners and losers when talking about renewable energy that actually does benefit Americans. I don't get it.
  • #192
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    @AceLuby

    You don't get it because you keep insisting that it make sense.

    It doesn't make sense, unless you stand to make a pile of money.

    People who stand to make a pile of money include oil companies, unions, lobbyists, and politicians, to name but a few.
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    @Cincinnatus
    I do understand. I agree with you. But the FAT 400 will get their way and when
    they do it they should pay the price for AMERICAN STEEL.
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    @freelancehobo

    If you buy into the steel sourcing argument, that means you make an implicit assumption that the pipeline is inevitable.

    I don't.
  • #113
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    But the Keystone XL shouldn't be built at all.Too much danger of contamination,which would last for decades if not centuries.And I don't believe a Effing word of the oil companies.They will do or say anything to make the Almighty Dollar
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    It's taxpayer subsidies for private and foreign (Canada) companies. Picking winners and losers, subsidizing private company profits. Funny how much the GOP LOVES subsidizing private profits with public funds as long as it's in the right industry.
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    Does America even have steel mills any more ?Better make it fast if they do before the EPA regulations on emissions gets tougher on industry.
  • #93
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    @Cincinnatus
    Here in Minnesota, where this fruitcake ,Nolan is from, half the jobs in the steel industries have been automated and the cities on the Iron Range would die if it weren't for tourism.
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    But there is something wrong with building a pipeline whose main purpose is to have the pollution moved out of Canada and into the US.
  • #210
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    There is nothing wrong with buying steel where it is cheapest. Less steel costs for infrastructure = less taxes. Global free trade is the best recipe for economic growth (because it will result in countries doing what they do best).
  • #131
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    I would agree that U.S. products should be used when possible but imho the keystone pipeline shouldn't be built at all/ Canada has refinery's the same as Texas does.

    Canada has coast lines the same as Texas does. Why would keystone wan to build a pipe line all the way to Texas when they can build one in their own country? Because Canada doesn't want anything to do with the tar sands oil.

    The route proposed would cross lands designated for Native Americans, public lands designated for public use as well as taking land from legal land owners under imminent domain laws. Keystone doesn't have the best track record for monitoring their lines in the event of leaks either.

    The U.S won't see the first dime from the first drop of oil piped across the length of our country either.

    The entire deal is the Koch Bros will get the contract to build the pipe line and they are paying GOP Representatives to push for it. End of story. The Kochs and keystone will be the only ones to profit while an untold number of U.S. citizens as well as our environment suffers from it.

    We need jobs but we don't need jobs at any expense. Let Keystone figure out a way to build their pipe line in Canada, not the U.S.
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    all things that can be done here needs to be.

    look at the new bridge in ca, built in another country and floated in when it all could have been done here putting citizens to work. all things like that need to be stopped
  • #33
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    Born and raised in the steel city so I have to say "yes" to using American-made steel but "no" to using unionized labor.
  • #50
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    Aren't you a republican? Aren't you guys suppose to be the "defenders" of free trade? Mandating what steel be used doesn't sound very free to me.
  • #57
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    @TheJimmy Thanks for not giving a serious response. Regional bias? Smh...I'm from Indiana so let's say I think all corn product producers should have to attempt to buy Indiana corn before looking elsewhere, that's a regional bias and just as absurd.
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    The fact that Republicans and the far right continuously tout the usage of American made manufacturing of anything, and then blatantly reject the notion of using American made steel in our pipelines just because a democrat introduced the bill screams to me what is one huge problem in our country.

    We have well over the capacity to produce our own steel. The formulas we use for the recycling and recasting of steel make them nearly stronger than before(i have to study this), the market is well and alive and is only now starting to suffer from the crony capitalism of profit hungry corporations and firms bringing in sub standard steel made from Europe, India, and China.

    Please for the love of God do a little more research than a quick google search and rejection in the name of partisanship.
  • #58
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    Reject the implicit assumption that the Keystone project will be built.

    Why isn't Canada refining their own oil?

    I think they're just exporting all the pollution along with the oil.
    Their own citizens won't put up with it.
  • #176
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    My views are based in the reality of the situation as it exists today. I spent many years in manufacturing and the oil industry. My son is today at the executive table of a large multinational corporation that supplies coated pipe for pipelines around the world. He has an old mentor and former boss who is at the executive table of Vallourec. If you want to get more specific...my son has involvement in Nord Stream and South Stream as well as Keystone. I think you can Google that and find out what these projects are and understand that some of us out here know things without "Googling it."
    Also, having the "capacity" does not equate directly with the "ability to produce" immediately. Remember, six or seven years ago the Canadian government subsidized their corporations so they could gear up and begin producing what is needed for the Keystone pipeline. But, when Barack Husssein Obama stonewalled the project they were left holding the bag, so to speak.
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    @Cincinnatus I hope you know how long it would take to build a refining infrastructure in Canada. That infrastructure is already in existence on the Gulf Coast of Louisiana and Texas. And, while the Canadians were gearing up to extract and pipe the oil, the U.S. refineries began expansions about eight years ago.
    Many people think this kind of stuff happens overnight...WRONG. They think it happens in two years...WRONG. There has been a lot of long range planning and preparation done.
  • #188
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    @seedtick Then it can be undone.
    This is a bastard child of NAFTA and needs to be aborted before we pay the price for it economically AND ecologically.
  • #189
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    @seedtick Thank you for identifying yourself as part off the problem.
    No more pipelines until they can operate without fail. Period.
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    Though I am thoroughly against the Keystone Pipeline, I think the most important thing about pipelines being built would be their ability to prevent any possible foreseeable disasters, not just their ability to transport glop from point "A" to point "B." Hopefully our country would be able to do that with ingenuity and high grade products. Perhaps steel is not even the best product for these or any pipes to be made of.
  • #181
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    We need to make them of blue "Reardon Metal", described in Ayn Rand's novel Atlas Shrugged. Yeah, that is the ticket. And we need more of those John Galt cars that run on atmospheric static electricity as well.
  • #75
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    PNWest, the most impartial and bipartisan poster on Politix (TMIABPOP), voted YES on this and has deliberately NOT READ the story yet because the headline tells us enough.

    Regardless of who proposed this and what party they belonged to I think this is a great idea. Bottom line is that a pipeline this size is going to require a lot of steel. Therefore why not require that the steel be manufactured here. This would actually help American workers. Great idea. I hope the proposal is coming from a republican because this does sound like an old school GOP type idea. I'd like to write something nice about republicans every once in a while. Hopefully this will give me the chance.
  • #85
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    Well I've had a chance to read the article and some of the comments here and I admit I'm not surprised. I should have figured that if it was a sensible idea that there wouldn't be an (R) at the end of the name of whoever proposed it.

    I was a bit surprised but really shouldn't have been at all of the ANTI_AMERICAN comments from the righties on this thread. It's clear that they support a FOREIGN pipeline through American lands to be build with FOREIGN materials all the while claiming support for the project because it would create American jobs. At the same time they argue against using American resources to build it. Does hypocrisy come in a larger size?

    So rather than praising the republicans for a good idea I find myself bashing them again.

    Anti-Americanism and hypocrisy, that's what you get when you vote (R).
  • #219
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    @PNWest They are trying to use imminent domain to get the land from Nebraska farmers to sell to a Canadian company. Do you think they would care if the pipeline came from sweatshops in Asia with children making it? They just want to get busy ruining our land
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    I would be surprised if we had the capacity to make that much pipe after giving away most of our steel industry.
  • #170
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    If you make the Keystone Pipeline project too hard to complete, the Canadians are just going to turn around and sell that oil to China.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Enbridge_Norther...

    This here is the backup project, if the Keystone Pipeline falls through. It creates a pipeline to the Pacific Coast, where it will be shipped by tanker to China. It is sufficiently advanced that it may happen even if the Keystone project happens.

    And I'll just say Canadians are occasionally miffed by "Buy American" provisions shutting them out of bidding, when there are no such "Buy Canadian" provisions in Canada, and where Canadian government contracts typically go to American companies.
  • #186
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    Let them.
    Right now we get that oil at a discount. Even with their plan b, they won't be able to mark up what they sell to us nearly as much as they will if we do their work for them and allow them to put pipelines that already fail over the largest aquifer in the country.
  • #220
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    They aren't selling it to us. They will be paying the Koch's to refine it, then off to south America it goes. You won't be putting any of it in your gas tank or for heating your home.
  • #166
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    First of all... Keystone already exists. Portions of Keystone XL that cross international boundaries are really all that's up for debate. Next, the focus should be on the quality of the steel... where it's manufactured is just an added bonus.
  • #163
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    if you can find 100 percent American steel or anything sure let's use this project to improve our economic situation.
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