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    I'm not voting. Just seeing that poor kid's face makes me sick.

    Cops are getting too out of control in this country.

    They didn't see anything that would suggest a child is there? What the hell are cribs/playpens used for?????
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    Swat teams are getting too out of control along with the people in authority, from the judges to the politicians who are the administrators of our governments as well as the top administration in our police departments.

    I don't think the average cop thinks of himself as above the law, at least that has been my experience with most of the cops that I have known. But like everything else, nothing is perfect and I have also known a few that I wouldn't even spit on. Total scum.

    But I think the power of office is getting the best of too many egocentric buffoons that we either elect or are appointed, and that is an even more serious problem than the cops who disgrace their uniforms.

    Accordingly, I do not view this problem with Swat teams as just a police issue, our entire system is crumbling around us and everyone involved in it, from the voters to cops, judges, politicians and administrators is to blame for its destruction.
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    @Ryunkin My experience has been that most cops I've met certainly do think they are above the law...because they ARE the law. Personally, I think they're all scum.
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    And why should that matter? Why is there not more of an investigative phase to ensure they know what they are getting into?
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    There have been a couple cases of police getting shot and then killing the home owner in no knock raids. The worst is when they raid the wrong house and end up killing someone and then no one gets punished. A quick Google search for "police raid wrong house" brings up hundreds of stories, many ending in the death of the home owner.
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    In other words, the police and SWAT teams are often times 'terrorizing' everyday Americans in their pursuit of the enemy -- and from the many comments posted here, most of us are rightly disgusted by it.

    However, interestingly, when our American troops conduct similar and worse raids in the dead of night that frighten and terrorize innocent families abroad in certain Muslim countries, we see nothing wrong with it.

    (Pun incidental)
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    @Laradian Well-said! I have always been disgusted at how we make-out that our "veterans" are somehow noble fighters-for-freedom, when they are nothing more than mercenary terrorists (At least the few real terrorists out there do what they do for a causes; for their religion and culture; and to defend their countries; while our guys just carry out terrorism at the behest of their masters and for a paycheck- making them truly the worst scum). When I read the story the other day of the 65 year-old vet in CA. who was killed by VA-hospital cops for merely trying to leave the hospital, I thought "How fitting. I wonder how many times he did the same thing in 'Nam to people who were not his enemy and who had done him no wrong?". In some of these cases, you have to wonder if a little ironic justice isn't being meted out?
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    @Yank
    The goals of the police and military are similar. They do what they do for the same purported reasons, namely to eliminate supposed threats to America and to protect the American people. You disagree?

    I'm just able to recognize hypocrisy and a double standard when I see one.
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    @Laradian the police are here to enforce the law and punish those who break it. The military is used for a wide variety of purposes, but can be summed up as the sword and shield of our country. The problem is with the militarization of our police and not with the military.
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    Highly restricted to eliminated altogether.....

    Inhuman bastiches.....there is NO excuse for something like this.....

    It's time to put all police and police departments and judges nationwide on probationary reveiw.....
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    Hey, if some fool wants to put himself in an early grave, who are we to interfere. Arresting someone on a drug charge isn't worth the life of innocent children/bystanders.

    I mean, if there were definitive evidence from a reliable source that someone had a house full of bombs they were about to lay at a large gathering (festival, sports, concert etc), that's another thing all together but... This sh!t has GOT TO STOP!
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    @Curmudgeon Maybe no one will pay. http://www.policestateusa.com/2014/melinda-de... An empty condo in Renton, Wa was raided by a swat team looking for a man they wished to serve an arrest warrant. The condo was left with $100,000 damage. The neighbors described the event like a war. For four hours, police shot “rockets and grenades filled with pepper gas” at the home, breaking every window and making a mess of everything inside. Teargas was fired from 40-mm canisters into the home, pumping everything inside full of caustic chemicals. After hours of using their toys, SWAT placed explosives on the front door and blew it off the hinges. Further information would reveal that the raid was even more botched than it appeared. Aside from destroying an empty home, police soon discovered that the suspect they were searching for did not even live at the address. And if that weren’t problematic enough, police were also acting on bad intelligence; the person who made the accusations later recanted the entire story. The man they were looking for was innocent, and never arrested. When De La Torre approached police about the damages, she says she was dismissively told to file a claim.“Oh I’m sorry, we just destroyed your home; you can just file a claim with the city — like it was just so simple to go down and file.”

    Washington Cities Insurance Authority (WCIA) denied De La Torre’s claim. Their position was that SWAT acted reasonably, based on reasonable information, and therefore the city was not at fault.
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    @MContrary Well, with most sane people.....it seems to us that their definition of reasonably and reasonable and indeed "information" is suspect at best and is at worst FAR from any kind real definition of any of those words.....
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    I live in a rural area and a while back the police and swat team showed up at a trailer in the middle of nowhere to serve a warrant and when they pounded on the sliding glass door the resident went to the door with a shotgun in his hand (just as I would have if someone was pounding on my door at three in the morning, the cops shot him five times and killed him in front of his wife and young child and then realized they had turned the wrong way on the dirt road and were at the wrong address.

    Turns out the house they were looking for might have had someone selling marijuana in it.

    It has got to stop.
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    Yet NOTHING will happen to these murderers, I bet. Above the law, they remind me more and more of Nazis and Gestapo agents!
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    No knock warrents should only be allowed in situations where the person they are persuing has used deadly force against police in the past... or there is compeling evidence that they would use deadly force to avoide capture.
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    Exactly. They don't even investigate these places first, they just go to the judge they know will issue it and go to town.
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    The family should be able to sue both the police department and the Judge... if it hadn't been needlessly escalated to a no knock raid... this would not have happened.
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    It is high time to end the war on drugs. Those who wish to die early from drug usage should have the freedom to do so.
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    You realize that thease people were not just sitting around and getting high, right? To have a no-knock warrant issued, the police had reasonable suspicions of them making and/or dealing meth. To sell your children and neighbors .
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    @hwyangel Not true. I used to believe the same, until I witnessed the DEA break down the door of my neighbor. Someone phoned in an anonymous tip that meth was being sold out of the home. Their home was torn apart, the doors broken. It looked like a hurricaine had hit. Nothing was found and it's suspected the anonymous call was placed by a youth who was arguing with the owners child. The only thing the police removed from the home and conveniently lost were intimate pictures the owners had of each other.
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    @MContrary
    Quote from the article:
    "Officers say a criminal informant purchased methamphetamine at the home earlier that day from another man."

    I have often warned my son's about riding with or visiting anyone they suspect is abusing drugs. There is always going to be consequences associated with illegal drugs . Many that can be worse without police intervention. I believe the legal name for the case you described is called" Tort".
    Tort is the abuse of process when one party institutes criminal proceedings against another party which is malicious in intent and without probable cause.
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    @hwyangel Yeah, and you do realize that the information they had was ERRONEOUS, right? And that had they knocked, like a civilized human being, they would have realized that they had the wrong house.

    One day, citizens are going to simply rise up against these police thugs, and I hope I'm alive to see it. They're comeuppance is long overdue.
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    @hwyangel And you do realize that merely SAYING that a criminal informant gave them such information....is a COVERUP? Or are you that incredibly naive.....
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    Because I don't know, when were "no-knock" warrants established? Is that a common practice in law enforcement? I don't understand how that could be good for anyone. If someone breaks in a home with no indication of who they are, what is a person coming out of sleep supposed to think? Police must assume there is a gun in the house, right? Just like the person in bed hears someone in the house and assumes a threat.
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    It varies state by state and city by city. Most were drafted in the late 80s to early 90s. "No knock" simply means that the warrant allows police to enter without any notice of entry or identification prior to entry. It does not mean, as most police departments seem to interpret, that you must go in guns blazing. It's supposed to let them enter by surprise so that no one can get rid of evidence while they are providing their bono fides.
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    And that's where the "police state" gets extremely dangerous. Because, like subjects living in a dictatorship or totalitarian regime, there are no citizens, only subjects. And subjects are not allowed to think or react, but merely to be submissive and obey.

    Submissive obedience. That's the only goal there can be in these situations. Think about it.
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    @kentuckywoman2 And in other situations, as well. Even in a common traffic stop, if you don't obey every command given and try to reason with a cop, you're going down. Absolute obedience to their authority is what they expect and will exert violence to maintain.
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    @viniketa Agree, and sometimes even absolute obedience and submission doesn't matter. If you get a cop who just like to beat up on people, he's going to do that anyway. I've seen it happen.
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    The tactics and weaponry are getting a little too "war-like". Regardless of what they're doing or what's taking place, it's still PEOPLE you're dealing with.
  • #35
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    Exactly. Call it a "war on drugs" and you get militarization of police officers. Soon all problems, are solved with the same solution, send in the SWAT thugs. Hell, I saw that some of departments are getting MRAPs that are surplus from the recent wars. WTF?
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    Yeah, that's a favorite of theirs, isn't it.... I've watched far too many videos where it's PLAIN the person is NOT resisting, and yet, the police thug keeps yelling to stop resisting. I think it's part of their training, and they're TOLD to say this, in order to "protect" themselves from any kind of prosecution. If police thugs can't think of any other reason to brutalize someone for the fun of it, they just pull out the old "stop resisting" moniker. Disgusting. I have absolutely no trust, no faith in, no respect for, and no liking for ANY cop anymore. I've seen and heard way too much.
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    @kentuckywoman2 Cops usually bring more trouble than they solve. They are really only there to make money for the dept and file paperwork for insurance claims... oh and shoot people w/ impunity...
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    @kentuckywoman2 I saw an officer harassing kids in the old market where I live. Another kid pulled out a phone to call 911. The officer took his flip phone and broke it in half. A group of adults began to intervene. The officer (off duty rent a cop in a cop uniform) took everyone's name and wrote it down in a book and told us we were all banned from the market. The old market was a run down part of our city that had been neglected. Hippy types opened stores and eateries there. Rich people took over and the city revitalized the place. The old market association hired off duty police to run the youth and hippy types out of the area. They seem like a legal gang to me.
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    @miketost - What a nightmare for that family, eh? One of the things that really galls me about this is that they actually have a policy of not doing this if they know children are present ... as if children were the only possible innocent bystanders. I stand by my comment above, this sort of thing should never be allowed in the United States, under any circumstances.
  • #34
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    Dear God. How in the world is this family going to cope with this tragedy? There is no excuse for these kinds of storm-trooper tactics. Isn't there some kind of intel--investigating before these guys come blasting through the door?? Surely there were kids playing in the yard that day or previous days OR the family coming and going? How can you NOT KNOW there are children involved? And sorry, but that Sheriff sounds like an idiot. "The officers involved feel terrible"??? That's it??
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    Time to end Ron's war on drugs. At least on marijuana. Legalizing marijuana in 2 states have really hurt the drug cartels in Mexico. Let them fight the cartels at the border over really bad drugs like heroin and cocaine. America's biggest drug problem is legal prescription drug abuse.
  • #57
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    Exactly. The war on drugs is really just a war on poor people because people w/ insurance can simply get their drug prescribed by their doctor.
  • #73
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    Do you consider a person who has a couple beers after work a mentally ill person who is self medicating? Alcohol is a much more powerful drug than marijuana, yet it is legal. The alcohol addict is someone suffering from the "disease" of alcoholism. Somehow the alcoholic in AA is propped up by society, yet the drug addict in treatment is looked down upon.
  • #59
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    Incredibly stupid and overkill.
    "County Sheriff Joey Terrell said all of the officers involved feel terrible, but he stands by the action, which he says followed protocol"

    Well Joey, you don't need a Caterpillar D-9 to plow a garden spot. And you don't need to use trained killers to serve every warrant.
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    There should be a law AGAINST no-knock warrants, period. Also, there should be a ban on the militarization of our police forces. In fact, we need a total overhaul of police depts in our country. NO MORE Homeland Security funding for them to buy tanks and other military gear. This kind of crap has got to stop!
  • #37
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    Were was the recon on this? Look at this kid... America this is what happen when you move to a police state. all the innocent ones get hurt. This is a poor job by Wisconsin cops. A mis informed informant. This Georgia family was there for a visit after their home burned down. Some ones head needs to roll on this one. There is no excuse at all for actions such as this to little kids, and what did cops get in return.. No drugs, no evidence, no criminal charge, just a baby in a coma, I hope they sue them for all they are worth as this child is never going to be the same
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    Oh you think police actually INVESTIGATE? Lol, no. They just say whatever it takes to get the warrant and attack.
  • #31
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    No knock warrants sure as hell shouldn't be used on people suspected of merely dealing drugs, if at all. Maybe in the rare case of a murderer whom they have good evidence will kill again...
  • #98
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    Or you could knock and not go in like the military, someone needs fired and someone needs put in prison for this.
  • #145
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    And make stun grenades illegal. Lots of toys get taken off the market when proven dangerous to children. If this incident doesn't prove that, what will? Besides that, a lot of swat team members are not mature enough for such toys.
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