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  • #20
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    Our economy was built to fail, this should be no surprise. When wages have flatlined and inflation is growing along with unemployment this is a toxic economic state. It doesn't help that we have a fiat currency that is backed by absolutely nothing, that should be on the front of every single polititians mind is how to avoid complete destruction from our criminally ran banks and fed reserve that ruined our country. But no, they would rather re direct the people's view and focus on a bs stories to keep the people blind to the US's giant Ponzi scheme.
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    @RONPAULFAN Haha no problem! It drives me crazy that so many people either don't want to believe or just plain ignore the root of the problem. I mean come on, how many more years can we stand this fed reserve. It's as simple as this example: fed reserve gave us the first dollar into existence which they said we must pay back plus interest, let's say the interest on that dollar was another dollar, so where the f*** are we supposed to get that extra dollar if the only dollar we have is all we have... The answer is we have to borrow more money plus more interest to pay back that other dollar of interest... Fast forward that same process 100 years and here we are, On the constant verge of world economic collapse! Yayyyyy! What a great deed Woodrow Wilson did for the American people! Thanks buddy! I'm sorry but isn't that why our founding fathers warned us about banks and the dangers that come with them? Talk about Taxation without representation we literally made a complete 360 from our original intent. Sad more Americans don't know our history that well and allowed all this mess.
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    @Gtiallday Yes Woody was the most progressive president at that time we had.
    Payroll tax, the secret fed meetings then the hoisting of it on this country. The onloy thing that slowed more progressive 'solutions' was 2 world wars. Now we're back on track and Obama is making Wilson look like a constitutional patriot.
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    @Gtiallday -Just correcting an error. I'm sure you meant 180 which represents a reversal of direction. A 360 would simply be a return to the original point. Have a good day.
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    "18 to 34 year olds" -- that's a pretty broad demographic, especially considering that a number of 18 year olds have not even graduated from high school yet. Then, the 18 to 23/24 group may be living at home while attending college. IMHO, the number of 25 -- 34 year olds still living at home would be a far more interesting statistic.
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    The data seems very fishy to me. Just what an odd group and spectrum to lump together across several significant typical life milestones. Like I said before I was 18 when I was in High School. I am not trusting this article or graphs.... Also I would like to see a grouping of 18-21, 21-25, 26-34. I think that would be a better cut of the data...High School / College, Right After College, and the other group.
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    @HurricaneAnnie - I think that it is important to point out that most 18-22 year olds are NOT in college (even in 2014).

    In the past, a large number of 18-22 year old men and women moved away to college or simply moved out on their own. Whether this number includes high school students, it is still a reflection of a change in the demographics.

    More 18-34 year olds are living at home -- even after adjusting for 18-19 year old high school students and those living at home while attending college. This is likely due to the state of the economy/job market and, perhaps, the willingness by parents to keep children as dependents for longer.

    The Census link does provide some specificity in terms of various subsets within the age group. Regardless of how we do this, there is a steep rise in the number of young men and women who are living with their parent(s).
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    Try paying college tuition, rent, groceries, bills with a part time job. It's not easy. I'm saving a lot of money by living at home while I'm in college and I plan on putting a down payment on a house when I start my career. So try telling me I'm avoiding responsibility.
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    @MolonLabe Agricultural Education. I'm going to be a high school teacher and hopefully basketball coach too.
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    @Billy812 That sounds like a good plan. A degree you could go many places with where there is demand for teaching the subject.
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    It can be done - did it myself while raising a family in addition wasn't always comfortable be made it through. Degrees in Electrical Engineering.
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    @Curmudgeon : raise the minimum wage to $24, ugh, theyre raising it now to $10 and all that is going to do is inflate prices all over cause companies will say theyre losing money have to start people at $10. the that were here and went over seas will have an inflated price. so where does it end when we live in a greedy society. neighbors don't help neighbors unless they can make money at it.
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    @Curmudgeon - I made the equivalent of $52.00 an hour in a position which was 95 % commission based. The company was very profitable, and as one of four original sales people, we took them as a startup from six million to one hundred and sixty million in anual sales over the ten years I was there.

    Our reward was to have our commissions be cut 70%, and then be let go. We were replaced by salaried 'order takers' who were paid 30K. I had people I know from my industry who lost 200K jobs, and can now only get ones paying 8.00 an hour. If their parents were still alive, I'd bet they'd be living with them just like the folks in these stats.
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    @ProudTexican - Every time the minimum wage has been increased, the economy has improved. Those at the low end of the wage scale actually spend their money. They don't put it in offshore tax shelters. And when people buy more 'things' companies see potential profits to be made, they hire more people to make them. Sorry President Reagan, it doesn't work the other way around.

    When someone makes more, they might go to a movie, a restaurant, or buy a better car. They even may get off government assistance and actually be able to pay taxes. Unfortunately companies like Walmart and Mcdonald's love having the government subsidize their profit margins by paying their employees so little that they still qualify for government assistance that every other tax payer pays for. Does anyone see anything wrong with the fact that instead of paying a living wage, Walmart has entire departments set up to assist employees in obtaining government benefits?

    The problem with the cheap overseas labor can be addressed by treaties that level the playing field. Unfortunately Congress is owned by the multinational companies who benefit from these agreements, and they won't go against them. That's why companies want fast-track approval without oversight of the TPP which will make the disaster that was named NAFTA seem like child's play.

    An ex-boss of mine owned a headhunter firm, and he went from touting he'd find companies the best talent, to bragging that they didn't have to go overseas anymore. He'd get them green card employees at cheaper wages right here. Programmers for Microsoft contend that Bill Gate's argument that more foreign worker visas are needed because there isn't enough U.S. talent, isn't quite the case. He simply wants programmers here that he can pay less to use as leverage against the U.S. programmers salaries. Your x-ray is no longer being read by someone in the U.S.. It is being electronically sent and read by someone in Pakistan or India for 1/3 the price.

    And remember, it's a bit tough to 'outsource' a job at McDonald's. Or any 'service' position.
  • #39
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    When one of my kids moved back in after flunking out of college, I gave her six weeks to find a job and a place to live.
    Then we worked together, to find out what apartments cost, and how much she would have to make to be able to live. We went to many complexes, and we talked about what to consider besides just the rent.
    She got a job at a phone bank, which paid enough for her to maintain herself, and she did quite well at living on her own.
    Pretty quick though, she decided to go back and finish school, which she did on her own.
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    um... why didn't you want her sleeping in your house and helping out with the household budget? that's what most live at homes do, you know. there's no good reason why people should have to move out simply because they have reached a magic age number. they can be just as 'responsible' living at home as they can somewhere else.
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    @CaryNickel

    I am a conservative, but I'm not an idiot.

    Which is why I'm and ex-Republican and an ex-NRA member.

    The patients have taken over the asylum.
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    @dances-weebles

    I don't need help with the budget, and she needed to learn the practical skills of an independent adult.

    Had there been no jobs available, that would have altered the equation, but such was not the case.
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    @Cincinnatus hmmm. i know a lot of people who learned the practical skills of an independent adult while living at home. i'm not saying that you did things wrong, but that there is another way.
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    Most anywhere, you need a minimum forty thousand ($40,000.00) dollars a year to live on your own; that's a little over nineteen ($19.00) dollars an hour. The average starting-out salary for this age group is thirty-one thousand (31,000.00) dollars a year. It's just basic economics, folks.

    The Corporate State will never help this situation.
  • #58
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    You know it is amusing how everyone blames the so called "Corporate State" all the problems of this world BUT have never tried to set up and run a company. Try it sometime and you will learn that there is two sides to every story. I have been a small business owner for twenty two years and it is not as easy as you think, I am not rich in any sense of the word, I work sixty to eighty hours a week and then go home and work there cutting grass and weed eating etc.
    Now if you break all those hours down by the decent salary I make you will see I still in reality make about minimum wage.
    BOTTOM LINE IS YOU WILL BE WHAT YOU WANT TO BE AND MAKE WHAT YOU WANT IF YOU WORK HARD PERIOD. All this whining and crying about the corporate state is for the most part the laziness in you coming out, get off your butt and get to it.
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    When you're young you get a room mate or you live in a small place until you can do better. You avoid having children until you're married and have a couple of salaries going for you. If you can't afford the latest cell phone, you don't buy it. It's basic economics.
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    It's not as easy to move out at 18...as it use to be....this is more a sign of economic conditions than anything else...in most areas the minimum wage many young people receive....won't pay the needed expenses of living on your own....as for those going to college...many live at home because it's cheaper than a dorm
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    My son is going to community college in the fall and will live at home while he's in school...and he'll be working full time as well. We have several hospital networks that overlap our area that are rapidly expanding, so he won't have any issues finding a nursing position after school. He then plans on completing his bachelors degree on their dime, so it's a win-win for us
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    This isn't a new concept having two or three generations of family in one household sharing expenses and responsibility. I believe that it would be short sighted to just assume that these adult children are not pulling thier weight. I currently live with my elderly mother, but I spend more time in my truck and pay the lions share of the expenses.
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    @Denizen_Kate
    I makes sense to me. It would eliminate the need for a nursing home or child care. Family helping family instead of the taxpayers.
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    @Denizen_Kate - My Father's father lived with us for four months out of the year, and with each of his two brothers for four months as well. As a kid I loved having him around, and he was in pretty good health, so it wan't a big problem. However, back then, when you got sick, you typically had a short hospital stay and died. (which happened in his case). Also, my Mother did not work, so someone could be there with him. These days, the equation is a bit different.
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    I don't know about this. The data could be misleading. I would like to see the ages further bracketed out. I was 18 in high school...so of course I was still in my parents house.
  • #163
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    Most are, I lived at home until 19 and went into the Service. The girls married at a younger age than 18 are marrying a kid that isn't much older and needs an education FIRST.
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    It is a symptom of the fact that it is harder to find a job above minimum wage and even if you do wages are still lower than they were when their parents were starting out. People are also waiting longer to get married so they don't feel a need to move out right away. I couldn't wait to move out but the kids today don't seem as enthusiastic about living on their own.
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    No kidding, but who said it was any easier on the parents. This economy is hard on everyone. I struggled myself, but I haven't moved back in with my 80 year old father and expected him to support me.
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    my brother inlaw finished university and immediately got a job as a sports journalist with a top level news paper. he lived at home until he got married at age 37... it worked. not only that, but here, daughters live at home with their parents until they marry, as well... and if a couple divorces, normally both parties move back home.
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    @PayThatCEO who said anything about having their parents support them. they work, and they contribute to the household budget.
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    @PayThatCEO
    My mother and I have converted a house into two condos. We split the utilities and the mortgage. Much cheaper than 2 apartments, or separate houses.
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  • #113
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    the cost of living has not stayed close to what employers are paying per hour, so unless several friends all pool their money together, there is no way they can afford to move out from mom and dads home.
  • #63
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    Every 18 year old I know lives with his parents or is in college. This statistic would be much more interesting if was the percentage of 30 year olds still living with their parents. Including 18 year old skews the number too much.
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    The boys are gone now, but there was a time when they came home--not for long--but they did stay with us for awhile. Gratefully they finished college and are doing great!!
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    @Curmudgeon
    Thanks. It was that old old "finding themselves"--dropping in and out of college/jobs/life. It drove me nuts....but we hung in there--did NOT subsidize their ski trips or back-packing. We helped with college tuition but they had to work part time jobs. Thank goodness they came through the fire. They are really terrific young men---even if I DO say so myself.(-:
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    @Curmudgeon yep thats great but all kid's dont go to collage like me' i went to a trade school i have 3 certs in welding' doing good there is always going to be a need for a welder' and trk driver so on but got's to want to work.
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    @gbmcool45

    You are so right! Not everyone can or should go to college but you did the right thing. You got a marketable skill to put bread on the table. I would have been happy if my boys had done that. Interestingly enough both boys got a business degree---the oldest has used that degree to get his job but the younger one started his own small business in construction/home inspecting. He loves working with his hands and building things. WELDing is a much needed profession!
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    fresh out of college and others laid off from their jobs,yet our gov sees fit to keep this happening and making all matters worst on citizens by their refusal to stop or slow immigration and remove all illegal aliens.

    our gov claims labor shortage yet looks the other way when thousands get out of school only to find their is now no jobs in their field of study,at least for citizens.

    when ever there is a job fair in my town no matter what the job the news shows thousands lined up proving again our gov needs to only stand for citizens and cut off all others
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    @dances-weebles do you actually thing all illegals aliens do is pick fruit,if so you need to check and rethink the issue.

    we bring in over 1.5 million legal immigrants a year instead of doing so on an as needed only basis. you don't seem them taking jobs that citizens are being stepped over, heck an engineers wife had to point that out to obama not too long ago,if she was not a journalist it never would have gotten attention do to those against citizens are hidng the fact very well.

    as for your fruit pickers which we do not need,at least here in ca, they never leave even when there is no work for them. who picks up the tab of that cheap labor? it sure is not those who called for them.
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    @tomincali to add that it is a good thing we still have a few good employers who like the idea of hiring citizens and are not into cheap labor otherwise if they were all greedy like those who are against citizens we all would be out of a job as the supporters of illegal aliens want.
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    The reason I won't believe is that the editors are mostly leftists. They learn from their lord and master, the mighty Obama who teaches it is right to lie to achieve your ends. What else should one expect from the headlines like "you won't believe" or 'you will be amazed" etc.
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    fraps - Obama teaches the "Right to lie to achieve your ends"? That very aptly describes EVERY company owner of most companies I've worked for. Companies that sold high-tech products with college degreed commissioned sales forces who all worked their asses off. Once the owners were multimillionaires, the employees were expendable.

    ALL of these employers were staunch Republicans who cheated customers, employees, and suppliers every chance they got. One is out of business. One is very successful, and the third is still hanging on, and still conning everyone he can.

    I'm not really sure what that has to do with kids living at home, but I'm sure I'm older than you are, and I never worked for, or with, any Democrat who was as scummy as the Republicans who ran or owned companies. And I'm saying that as a former Republican.

    As a naive college student, I once asked a professor why they offered a course entitled "Business Ethics". I asked him, "Aren't business sthics the same as personal ethics? And shouldn't someone already have ethics by the time they reach college." He just looked at me and laughed, as he replied. "Once you've got a few years in the business world under your belt, you'll understand." Boy! was he right.
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    @eyesonu You have to be well over 70 to be older than me. Sorry you worked for lousy companies. Our expernces are different.
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    @fraps - Not over seventy, but those I know who are were lucky to be out of the workforce before "Reaganomics".(Yeah, I voted for him). Then the Bushs' really F'd things up. And if you want to discuss 'liars', Bush and Cheney win the trophy for lying us into Iraq, which ran up trillions of dollars in debt and cost thousands of American lives.

    But I guess it did help the employment prospects of lots of 18- 24 year olds, and kept thousands of others from becoming part of these 'statistics' as moving in with their parents.
    They're part of another 'statistic'. The dead from the Iraq war.

    When it comes to lying, George W. is right at the top of the list, or maybe second behind the 'write your own facts' Cheney.
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    @eyesonu Funny, again. I made a small fortune and sold my businesses during the Reagonomics years. I voted for Jimmy Carter then Reagan. Reagan's opponent was a joke.
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    @fraps - I didn't vote for Carter, and I did for Reagan. It's at least good to see that for whatever, our reasons, at least we try to consider both sides. My Mother hadn't voted in years, but she voted for Carter just to nullify my vote. lol - and told me so repeatedly.

    Frankly, I don't care what motivates people to action. Get informed. Get involved. The best thing my parents ever taught me was to always do what's right, and not simply what's easiest.

    I look at GW Bushs' election like my fraternity viewed little brothers of former members. "We've got to accept him, he's a legacy." I still think GW was not the brightest light in the string, and Cheney was nothing but a con-man.(and still is)

    You're right. I'm not as old as you are. Just old enough to enjoy a screwing by company owners that I made multi-millionaires. As one of four in a startup, and taking them from six million, to one hundred and sixty million in sales in ten years. On the upside, one of those owners did sue the others because he would not be party to the raping of the employees who had generated their success. The other owners fought him, but he eventually won.
    I really should send Cheney a thank you note. I supplied a lot of equipment to the U.S. Navy for both Iraq wars.(Ironic isn't it?)

    Glad things turned out ok for you. The last company I worked for, had an owner who notoriously screwed over the owners of companies he bought, and most of them didn't have the resources to go after him in court. The last one he screwed, was actually once a long-time customer of mine. He had already been cheated, and was gone when I joined the company. I saw the aftermath. He's now recovered enough to go after him, and has some pretty good ammo (i.e. evidence) to do so.

    Most of the guys I've known who owned businesses got out about when you did, and were ok. What's made me so jaded, is the fact that most of the people at the top I know, got there by lying, cheating, and stealing every chance they got.
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    I know some that moved back in and brought their wives and children with them. The neighbor said he can't make it selling cellphones in the mall. Ya think?
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    Curmudgeon - And these days, that's considered one of the 'good' jobs. A good friend who is a bit older than I went from a VP job paying over 200K to a part time job for $8.00 an hour driving cars for an auto auction.
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    @Curmudgeon - When I was graduating from college, my Father lost his job as an engineer with one of (as they used to be called) Big 3. The only reason he got a job at his age of 58, was because I interviewed with the same company for a position in Saudi Arabia. Someone else had been promised the job I was interviewing for, and had failed the physical. He subsequently passed it, and they felt obligated to give him the job. One of the people I interviewed with called me to tell me the bad news, and during our conversation, we discovered that he had worked with my father twenty-five years before. He asked, "What's your Father doing?" When I replied he was looking, my Father ended up in Saudi Arabia for six years. Pure luck that it worked out that way. And in this economy, what you know is important, but who you know might be even more important.

    And, comparing notes with a lot of 'old folks' who have held high positions, we've found that a lot of the people who we'd call 'bosses' are actually afraid that we know more than they do.
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    The bottom line is, when the baby boomer generation got out of school, both high school or college, most could land a job within a week to a month. Companies were not turning traitor and shipping jobs over seas. There was less technology and more manual labor. In short, there were more available jobs for a smaller population, and the supply and demand in labor was more balanced. In fact, employers had to compensate fairly then, in order to keep their experienced employees.

    trickle trickle trickle trickle trickle trickle trickle trickle trickle trickle trickle trickle trickle trickle
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    Keyjo - Absolutely right. And part of that growth in good jobs was due to unions. Personally, I was not a big union fan, having grown up as the son of a Chrysler engineer in Detroit during the Jimmy Hoffa teamster days. However, the benefits that non-union employees enjoy today, like paid vacations, healthcare, and even company pensions (which are all but gone for most employees now), are because of the unions winning these rights. As you said, Non-union employers had to offer these, as well as salaries close to the union employers. Even white collar workers benefited from the changes put in place by union contracts.

    Today. these are all but gone. High unemployment makes it possible for employers to intimidate their workers who have jobs, and depress the wages of those who are applying for them. That's exactly what the GOP wants. They say the economy sucks, but they don't really care. They're sitting on record profits, massive corporate cash reserves, and the stock market is at a record high.

    Anyone who thinks there won't be more kids moving back in, or staying with their parents is living in a dream world.
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    18-22 is still in college thats 4-5 yrs right there out of 16 years. So kids still in college accounts for 1/4-1/3 of kids living at home. Unless there's more to this stat, I'm calling the author out as "highly misleading" on this one.
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