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    "Curiously, it's the culturally conservative states wherein folks might expect one to 'grow a thick skin' that've taken the lead here."

    No, that's not curious, the socially conservative states are the most likely to resist changes to society, e.g., from social networking.
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    @JackinVienna me?! that'd be odd for a Politix user, especially one in my profession. But since you asked:

    The complexity of daily life has been a hockey stick graph since the internet was invented, and it takes increasingly longer time and more effort to master. We probably underestimate the *emotional* skill it takes to withstand the internet, and it could be that flailing around with cyberbullying laws is a first attempt to force people to develop it.
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    @Ryuo Daily life is no more complex today, than it was prior to the internet. If anything, it has become more shallow. When a 140 character or fewer response is the preferred mode of communication over direct personal communication it will only seem more complex.
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    While I understand where you're coming from. I think that places like Arkansas (my home state) places more value on people than the yankee states.
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    More victims. Let's continue to raise victims, not people that can stand on their own two feet. How about raising better patents that know what's going on in their child's life to address such things?
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    Sure, parents should teach their children to stand on their own and resist the bullies. But it would be nice if parents also taught their children not to BE bullies.
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    The parents are the factor that needs to be looked at.. I know I prepare of my child every day for what if scenarios.. they tell me how one of there classmates does or says. I give them clever things to say back & not to care about what others think of them or what they say about them.. that they need to be happy with themselves & do your best to treat others as you would have them treat you..
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    So in your mind there are NO victims? If a woman gets raped, she was asking for it? If a kid gets hit by a stray bullet, he shouldn't have been there? If the brakes fail on a car due to manufacture defects and it causes the death of the driver, the driver should have done more research before buying that car? If someone is actively looking for a job, every single day but is unable to find one, so they get on food stamps to survive while they continue to search and try, they just aren't trying hard enough, and should have instead taken up hunting to get their own food?

    It must be nice to live in a fairytale world where there is always a solution to every problem, and nothing ever happens that is beyond your control.
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    Ahsum, that seems a bit unrealistic to me. The internet is the province of the young as much as anyone. Of course, you can severely restrict the use of the internet to lessen the impact, but a lot of cyber bullying happen in a totally passive fashion: someone simply decides to pick on someone - whether or not the person has ever sat at a computer or not - and puts pics and words up of their choosing. I am a liberal in a liberal state, but I support the actions of my conservative brothers and sisters here. I like the idea that a kid may have to think twice before being a little a-hole and bullying someone. I'd like to see cyber bullies even have to pay a heavy fine with money and/or community service and, maybe, some actual detention for extreme cases. It's a free country, but we are not free to cause people pain because we are free.
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    Problem #1 with cyber bullies are that parents let their kids have hours and hours of unmonitored internet access. Problem #2 is that parents let their kids access these social media sites with out over site. Problem #3 is that many of the parents just don't care what their kids are doing.
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    Telling them to stop reading the bully's texts would be the logical thing to do. The illogical but oh so gratifying thing to do, if you know where the bully lives, is to read the text and then go to the person's house with a baseball bat in their sweaty little hands.
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    @pilgrim887 This happened back in the late '70s.

    My daughter was in the seventh grade at the time when a bitchy high school queen bee decided that she didn't like her, so she sent a few of her cohorts to beat Tina up. Now my daughter was always the tallest girl in her class and she was thin but not skinny with bony hands. I mention this because I taught her how to use those fists if she ever needed to.

    One after the other, my daughter pounded the older girls until a girl who weighed well over 200 pounds was sent after her. My daughter came back to our store with a black eye, but she had sent the bigger girl off crying with a broken nose, so I think that despite the black and blue, my daughter got the best of her.

    This incident really frightened me because everything was spiraling out of control. I was most concerned about what the next step this piece of shit would take, so I handed my daughter a baseball bat for protection and made plans to ship her back to Oakland to live with my mother.

    We think the reason she was targeted was because of our family store which was in the middle of the town. Most of the people who lived in that god awful place at the time originated in Jersey City, which is a city that has developed some very bizarre ways of thinking...at least compared to those mindsets that I had grown up with and had become accustomed to.

    I guess it was the difference between the urban character and rural. When I grew up in the outreaches of Bergen County there were still a few farms and lots of woods, so it definitely was more rural than suburban. The Tri-State ( NJ/NY/PA ) country folk weren't as petty minded and vindictive as the Metropolitan area city people were.

    But alas, since that period of our history has passed and NJ is just one big urban/suburban sprawl, that Tri-State mentality has been pushed further into Eastern PA and Southern "Upstate" NY and I guess soon everyone will be infected with this petty minded disease that has spread from the east. In fact, the cyber bullying may be an indication that they already are.
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    @Ryunkin Great story, but sorry it had to happen. my youngest boy was having bully problems at school years ago. I was picking my nose trying to figure out just what to do about it when when his older brother (6 years older) came home one day and told me his little brother would not be having any more troubles with the bully. I asked him what happened, and all he would say was "no worries, pop!" End of discussion! Thanks for your story!
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    I had my own bully story that almost landed me in reform school that started when I curbed a kid that had been bullying me for two years.

    One afternoon, my mother heard banging on the side of our house and rushed out to find me on top of a kid who outweighed me by half again my own body weight and smashing his head against a cinder block. He was unconscious and when she pulled me off of him, she rushed to the ER. I have no idea how long he was out.

    His mother threatened to press charges, but when my mother pointed out the many times Herbie had beaten me up, Mrs. R. changed her mind. There was also the fact that I was not known to be a kid who picked fights.

    I bring this up because there's another aspect of bullying that rarely gets mentioned. The danger that a bully may create for him or herself with their bullying.

    I have what chiropractors call a fast twitch build. It means that my power muscles are very, very powerful. I might not a lot of endurance, but for short periods I can fast, strong and deadly. Herbie did not know this.

    As an example, when I was in my 30s I decided to lift weights. In 9 months I increased my chest size from 35" to 43" and my biceps from 12" to 17". To give you some perspective, I built myself from a Casper Milquetoast into the upper body dimensions of Mike Tyson and I weighed only 155lbs.

    When I started lifting I was capable of doing 50lb. lat pulls and at the end of 9 months I had increased them to 270lbs. I also could do an unheard of 100lb straight arm flies and 18 one arm pullups. 50 with both arms. My body responded to the weights so quickly because of my genetic makeup. Not everyone will respond in the same manner, but there are many people just like me and many, if not most of us, are narrow in bone structure and very deceptive in appearance.

    When I was a kid and long before I ever picked up a weight ( real men didn't lift weights when I was young ) I also had a problem with adrenalin surges when I was either angry or scared, and combine the two and I turned into a raving maniac. Now that I look back at it, I really feel sorry for Herb. He never knew how close he came to not reaching his 9th birthday.

    Bullies rarely look into the details of the kids they're bullying and consequences like the Colorado high school shootings will occur. While I would only beat your brains in, other kids will go home and get their guns. I think this is something these not too bright bullies had best think over before they allow their egos get them killed.
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    I am surprised that they are not liberal states like California or New York, but New York is proposing it. If I say that these laws violate free speech, then the liberals will attack on me and say I agree with bullying. That would be a false assessment.
    The real bullies are the liberals that try to control our free speech with political correctness and laws violating our rights. The real bullies are the liberals on this site that are going to disagree with me and attack me personally. That is the hypocritical nature of the liberals in society. If I respond in kind, then they flag me, reporting my response to their attacks as abusive.
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    Nope, you have all of the rights to say whatever kind of speech you want. There are, however, consequences for your speech. Walk into a biker bar and yell, "HARLEY"S SUCK! WHAT'S THAT PUSSY 1% ON YOUR JACKET, YOUR IQ?" You have every right in world to do it. You might not live through it, due to the consequences of your speech, but you do have the right of freedom of speech to speak as dumb as you wish.
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    Bad example, you cannot make assumptions, your argument assumes that" 1). People are afraid of bikers. 2). that argument doesn't take into account my professional and/or personal experiences with outlaw bikers. 3). You are correct and the proof is in the pudding, you do have the right "to speak as dumb as you wish." Now I am wondering what that has to do with the laws regarding bulling laws and free speech? We all know that the first amendment to the constitution gives us the right to free speech. That last person that made a stupid comment about Americans having the right to say stupid things is one of the dumbest men in the Obama administration, " Kerry defends liberties, says Americans have "right to be stupid" Secretary of State John Kerry offered a defense of freedom of speech, religion and thought in the United States,,,,telling German students that in America "you have a right to be stupid if you want to be." He is correct, but as you can see members of the Obama administration don't set the bar very high and the are creating a dumb America full of pussies.
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    I think they ought to have laws in the states against cyber bullying I think it is bad etiquette to call someone names or use expressions of profanity because you disagree with someone's opinion or lifestyle I am conservative Christian and I don't believe whether conservative or liberal you have a right to do this
    I do not think a lot of people know what good etiquette is this day and time.
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    @gammler

    Someone calling someone an idiot online, while possibly rude, is in no way an invasion if privacy. No one is forcing people to use any form of social media and therefore it's up to the individual to determine if whatever backlash they receive from making their views and lives open for public consumption, is worth it.
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    So people are supposed to stop using the technology to prevent it? It would seem to me that to bully someone on the Internet is an open invitation to a law suit.
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    ...and for those who don't have etiquette, you grow some thick skin, ignore them and move on.

    You conservatives always want the government to fight your battle because you can't fight them yourselves. Remember "sticks and stones may break my bones but words will never hurt me". The increase of the sissy generation is overwhelming with weakness when they allow mere words to upset them. My best guess is, it must be true.
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    Easy - go to any liberal leaning news site and say you disagree with something and sit back and watch it unfold. Even better if there is an article where you can post against gay marriage, gun control or abortion; sick back and wait for the threats against you, your family, your extended family, family 3 generations removed....... fun times.
  • #81
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    Indeed this would affect everyone but we need to be more updated. Because bullying can affect everyone—those who are bullied, those who bully, and those who witness bullying. Bullying is linked to many negative outcomes including impacts on mental health, substance use, and suicide. It is important to talk to kids to determine whether bullying—or something else—is a concern. So I suggest a safety application that your child could use if he/she is in trouble. It really helps me a lot, I hope that this could help you too. http://safekidzone.com/ #!/page_home
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    When it comes to the world wide web state laws have little effect and control. Until something is adopted nationally, to hold people accountable for their actions, cyberbullying will continue.
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    One has to remember that the court dockets are jammed and litigation is very expensive. The more laws, the higher the expense of judicial issues. But if one has these laws then bullying involving children on children should be done through the Family Court system and not in adult court. Bullying is something that can effect us for life and life's choices. I hope that the schools can tackle this because the parents aren't, apparently.
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    Not surprised that much as Conservatives create more anti free speech laws then Democrats.
    Democrats focus on restricting sales to children or child porn.
    Republicans focus on restricting rights for women, Gays, and non white people.
    If is anti free speech then Republicans normally support it.
    (Republicans are 86% pure old white party.)
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    I do not think cyberbullying should be a crime! It is to easy to accuse someone of it and impossible to really set reasonable standards as to what actions are necessary for it to exist.
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    Curiously, it is the more conservative states that have such laws. That can be interpreted, however, to mean that such states are more willing to engage in censorship, rather than that such states are trying to protect individuals more. But we have a double edged sword here. We should be careful how we swing it.
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    Yes, actually! The fact that anti-cyberbullying laws have been implemented in those particular states shown on the chart is very surprising, considering that many, if not most of those particular states have a much more conservative voting base, overall.
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